Cant You Vacuum Distill SUPER PURE Hash Oil?!

650baquet said:

..i've thought of the fact, though, that since i've started making concentrates am i going to get lazy on the growing part knowing i can just concentrate everything anyways???
Well hasn't happened to me yet and i don't feel like it will, but i can see how a noobi grower just might feel that way "hey why worry about growing uber dank bud when i can just concentrate it"...but hopefully that person will then realize that the better the bud the better the concentrates.

I feel ya though

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you cant get lazy on growing man.. unless you dont mind losing yield on concentrates..

i started growing after i started making hash.. soo, i was already caught up in a whole bunch of shit, balance them all out! get yours schedule down, pick some favorite strains. or just grow fewer plants, dont you ever get lazy on your ladies though! Or else im going to call WPS (Weed Protective Services)

lol im gonna use that later, and not even give you credit

qwizoking said:

lol im gonna use that later, and not even give you credit

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that is mean!

Guzias1 said:

you cant get lazy on growing man.. unless you dont mind losing yield on concentrates..

i started growing after i started making hash.. soo, i was already caught up in a whole bunch of shit, balance them all out! get yours schedule down, pick some favorite strains. or just grow fewer plants, dont you ever get lazy on your ladies though! Or else im going to call WPS (Weed Protective Services)

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I didn't say i was gonna get lazy...i know what happens when plants get neglected...just like when i don't feed myself, i just wanna die lol

Why are you guys bashing him? He's right. If you guys knew more about chemistry maybe you'd understand. But this is how a lot of extractions are done from other sources.

some of us know alot about chemistry, many people that frequent this section do in fact have some sort of degree that relates.. i personally dont like this method as you can get the same product for about 10dollars not 800 and you dont want thc thats why marinol doesnt give a good high..its just not a good method, i prefer qwiso

qwizoking said:

some of us know alot about chemistry, many people that frequent this section do in fact have some sort of degree that relates.. i personally dont like this method as you can get the same product for about 10dollars not 800 and you dont want thc thats why marinol doesnt give a good high..its just not a good method, i prefer qwiso

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I liked it

Besides, all you'd have to do is find something with a higher boiling point than d limonene then if you're worried about the CDB. Or, you could just decarboxylate what you distilled anyway which is what we did. Either way, it's also a fact that this does get way better yields than any solvent extraction. A friend of mine had a 26% yield doing this.

CBD* oops.

well what other solvents did you have in mind? not that it was really a concern, i was just saying.but yea it works and if its what best suites you, cool. but i dont heat my weed or solvent at any time, to much lost thc for me and preserves terpines. again sure it works but your still purchasing solvent and using a vaccum so might as well do like everyone else and just make bho or somethin. you will get basically the same product(shouldnt have said bho) so whats the point in this method..to say you spent the most? sound fanciest? im willing to bet you lose a sizeable portion of thc boiling it

Ethylene glycol looks like it could be a good one. But really, he was also right about it not being damaged under vacuum. I can still understand you not wanting to try it though, it's expensive and can be more tedious than standard extractions (depending on how far you go with your concentrates though). And using solvents and cleaning it up is kinda fun anyway lol, to me at least. The point for me is the yield mostly, you simply won't get all of the goods from solvent extractions, purity's a very close second. And for me, concentrates are all about purity/potency. Taste and smell etc are what I like my buds for. I'm not one of the people that think solvent extractions are unhealthy if you're doing them right (although Idk for sure, but it's not something I worry about). Ultimately though, it IS more cost effective, considering all the stuff you can salvage that you can't using solvents.

ok so first almost a 30percent yield? really? so 30 percent of your weight are cannabinoids man forget the oil thats the most potent bud i think ive ever even heard of..a long iso soak pulling all the cannabinoids plant waxes etc still wont give you 30..second why do you think thc is impervious to oxidation when your sucking on it? light heat o2 strong acids chlorine etc etc will break it down..period...third yes your right it is more tedious and expensive wih a worse product sooo yea thats why nobody else is doing it.......unsubbed

qwizoking said:

ok so first almost a 30percent yield? really? so 30 percent of your weight are cannabinoids man forget the oil thats the most potent bud i think ive ever even heard of..a long iso soak pulling all the cannabinoids plant waxes etc still wont give you 30..second why do you think thc is impervious to oxidation when your sucking on it? light heat o2 strong acids chlorine etc etc will break it down..period...third yes your right it is more tedious and expensive wih a worse product sooo yea thats why nobody else is doing it.......unsubbed

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Haha "unsubbed" is what someone who just wants the last word will say. You are thick headed kid. Yeah, I'm serious, and I never said you'd get up to that much with weak ass buds did I? How bout you think about it like this, when you do soaks, it doesn't matter cuz whenever you try to rinse any solvent off of it the goods will just keep soaking back into the buds anyway. You will get more out of it than you would with a solvent extraction, period. Worse product? Yeah, makes sense when it's pretty much nothing but cannabinoids. You just seem butthurt because someone else is telling you you're wrong. Not many people are doing it only because it's expensive and not everyone is willing to learn how to do it, or shit, plenty of people haven't even THOUGHT about it. Learn a bit more about chemistry, and you'll come around.

Oh I also didn't mention, there ARE clinics doing this by the way. Funny, yet sad how close minded people are on this site.

http://tetralabs.com/puregold.php

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/d-limonene-and-extracting.6392/

You know there are people that have doubts they use solvents in the first place. Not that I have much of an opinion on that, because yeah, you can get the same quality extract with solvents too, with more steps. Plus, they don't extract with d limonene, they add it to the end product. Here's someone that distills their cannabinoids by the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTVf3Pb0Kpk

I have a feeling you guys aren't even trying to research this at all before you comment on it.

sunsetmission said:

You know there are people that have doubts they use solvents in the first place. Not that I have much of an opinion on that, because yeah, you can get the same quality extract with solvents too, with more steps. Plus, they don't extract with d limonene, they add it to the end product. Here's someone that distills their cannabinoids by the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTVf3Pb0Kpk

I have a feeling you guys aren't even trying to research this at all before you comment on it.

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Hey Sunsetemission, did u make any progress on the vacuum distillation process? I am curious because I want to try a similar technique.

Also I watched the youtube video u linked, I don't think this is a great process because soxhlet seems overkill when the compounds we are interested in are on resin glands on the outside surface of the plant matter..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0LJp8G732g
I remember when I thought the soxlet was going to be the holy grails, then i herd about yellow bright clear oil.
I don't condone the acetone in this video, but you can see what the repetitive cycling of fresh solvent does to your oil.
Keep watching video's like this and you'll end up on the Skunk Pharms Cleaning up extract's page, it's a brutal downhill cleaning it up never mind the amount of chlorophyll going into the deal. I don't think the actual extraction process should be mixed with distillation as that's where most of the problems with the final product's consistancy can get really screwed over. All the tek in the world can't undo a bad step 1 without losing yield and flavor all the way down.

I've got to say that this thread is pretty interesting... I've been reading up on this subject for quite some time now and have acquired all the necessary organic chemistry equipment to perform vacuum distillations. I've only done a couple vacuum distills but am confident in both my setup and my knowledge on the subject. The OP's original theory seems sound but since I don't have D-Lemonine but do have 95% food grade ethanol available, which is what I've been using to perform QWET extractions previously, I'll be using the 95% ethanol. I've never used butane and generally shy away from anything toxic although I've used ISO in the past before learning about QWET and finding "Everclear" in my state... I'm not sure why the OP was getting so much slack except for perhaps past schmuckery... I'm no super chemist but from all the research I've done in the past 6 months or so leads me to believe that vacuum distillation is the way to go to obtain the most THC & terpenes while avoiding any and all waxes & plant matter.

My only real question is should I still use my 95% ethanol or should I just go for some distilled water as the water has a higher boiling point than the ethanol. My plan was to perform a "blanket" vacuum distill where I vaporize THC and everything below it, thereby creating an ethanol/cannabis vapor which will condense into my waiting dry-ice chilled receiving flask. Then taking that ethanol solution and vacuum distilling off the ethanol for re-use. Boom, insta-pure concentrate! No? I'm failing to see any downside except for final collection of the concentrate from the boiling flask but I'll just redissolve in ethanol and pour out onto my trusty pyrex dish as per usual and let it air dry for a good while.

I got into this because I have crohn's disease and was VERY desperate to find any relief. I've been receiving great benefit from my QWET concentrates but I know I can do better and frankly, I need better because I still must take doctor prescribed opiods and still suffer daily. So, in my bid of desperation and curiosity I've taken up organic chemistry with a passion I've only had before when learning to play the guitar as a 13 year old. I love chemistry and so am doing this partly out of that love and partly out of that desperate search for some real relief to a condition that still holds my life back in many respects.

I'll post back with results if you all would like. I plan to document my vacuum distill tonight for my own purposes anyways but will also lay out my results for you all to see. Then you can make a real decision on whether you think vacuum distillation is stupid and overly laborious or if it actually might have real benefits and value. Some already know that it does have value visa vi fractional distillation. I've seen very few examples of anything vacuum assisted or "reduced pressure" and that has confused me greatly. Why perform a simple or steam distillation when a vacuum assist is usually always going to be faster as well as less harmful overall because of the reduced pressure? I understand vacuum pumps are expensive but I and many others just went with a water aspirator and about $25+ in garden hose equipment to turn my backyard garden hose hookup into a dual split for my graham condenser as well as my water aspirator. I realize that not everyone lives in a house with a garden hose outlet for water but am certain most people have a kitchen sink they could use just as easily. So why there aren't more articles or videos showing vacuum assisted distillations I cannot figure out...

**One last note would be that I'm VERY disappointed at how many out there will discourage folks from attempting these types of experiments because they think they can be dangerous. They CAN be dangerious, yes. I certainly don't want people blowing themselves up anymore then they already might be. Still, I can't ever readily recommend a person NOT pursue what in the end IS a scientific endeavor. We, in the United States, are truly lacking in scientific curiosity and anything that nudges a person into the scientific realm as opposed to not, well I'll take my chances and bet on the person getting into science as a good thing and not a dangerous thing that should only be performed after $2,000+ chemistry classes or by people with extensive chemistry experience only.**

oh and $800+ for all the proper lab equipment?? Hardly... I got all my stuff for sub-$400 ... that's all the lab glassware for vacuum distillation AND heating mantle WITH magnetic stirring capabilities!

Home Training Tools Vacuum Distill Kit

The Science Company Heating Mantle 1L w/Magnetic Stirring

Really the hardest part is making sure you have all the little accessories, water aspirator & condenser hookup stuff, vacuum grease, ring stands, etc. but you don't have to get the official CORNING PYREX chemistry set to do chemistry. If you can then by all means please do and if you do please get some for me since you're so well off lol!

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My only real question is should I still use my 95% ethanol or should I just go for some distilled water as the water has a higher boiling point than the ethanol. My plan was to perform a "blanket" vacuum distill where I vaporize THC and everything below it, thereby creating an ethanol/cannabis vapor which will condense into my waiting dry-ice chilled receiving flask. Then taking that ethanol solution and vacuum distilling off the ethanol for re-use. Boom, insta-pure concentrate! No? I'm failing to see any downside except for final collection of the concentrate from the boiling flask but I'll just redissolve in ethanol and pour out onto my trusty pyrex dish as per usual and let it air dry for a good while.
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I got good news n I got bad news. Bad news first before the good.
Alcohol n thc vapour will not travel together under vacuum or any other condition. ALL your alcohol will boil n condense before the first puff of primary target compounds, then when you get desperate and start raising your temperatures all the resin will re-condense on your coils and if you do a big enough run will completly fill your condenser untill it jams. Then you will have a glorious evening of putting 1 drop of alcohol in the top n having one drip of extract drip out the bottom till its clean.
Your theory on how to clean up the alcohol after your first step should of denoted why the first step wouldn't work.

The great news. I can see my post from june of last year, and I can see my avatar says i came out the other end.
You sound like you have all the gear you need for me to actually be able to usefully share, i don't know how many times i've mentioned aspirator n garden hose.
I don't suppose by any freak chance your in the washington state? "secret cup pnw" I extract with d-limonene n I'm not subject to any temperature problems like what qwizoking mentioned.
Don't feel bad im 16k in equipment debt in search for a higher truth that what the majority will be satiated by

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