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SCOTTISH FARMER

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another good one is converting a 5 hp generator to run on sea salt and tap water.this has been done and can run 3000. whatts thats how the oil prises r up they no we no that its possible to run cars on water they r shitting there y fronts skid marks ever ware the oil companies have tried 2 buy thepattent from the guy that invented it hes from usa a he thinks they r going 2 kill him now he is not even driving a car because they r going to kill him.and its all about a simple ingredients salt and something else we would like to no we more than likely we use 100s of different chemicals its just knoing what 1 ............
 

SCOTTISH FARMER

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a man from down under .is selling maggnetic power genorator listen to this 5000 dollers they can run 3 homes and lasts for 500 years lol if u dont beleave me its on utube they r coming on the market until next year so spread the word fuck the electric companys r shitt pants here is another good 1 a man has enventied a engin that runs on air u can see that on u tube as well well all i can say is roll on next year the maggnetic genorator is the size 3feet wide 4foot high from what i saw.canott waite...........
 

daisy2687

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u get 12v convertor that converts from ac to dc how do u think ice cream van powers his fridge and the most inportent one the icecream machine thats alott of power two run them easy its only a simple convertor
Belt operated alternator.

And when you say air do you mean air or compressed air?

As for running engines on water it is possible however requires vast amounts of energy to get the hydrogen out
 

bongjockey

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Hydrogen obtained by electrolysis requires large amounts of electric current and a large supply of water.

To obtain hydrogen in sufficient quantity to power a vehicle driven by a combustion engine would require an electrolyser capable of several hundred amperes at a couple hundred volts and to have any range at all would need to carry several hundred litres (kilograms) of water.

The energy required SIMPLY to electrolyse sufficient quantities of hydrogen to propel a combustion engined vehicle would exceed the energy needed to move a standard fossil fueled vehicle- let alone transport the tank of water. Making hydrogen on the fly by electrolysis would result in an impractically heavy vehicle which is why there ARE no successful hydrogen/electrolysis powered vehicles.

You certainly will not be adding a bucket of water to your car and electrolysing enough hydrogen from the car's alternator to make any useful amounts of fuel. Anyone selling you such things is scamming you.

See: Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense

Purdue University has just released a process for making hydrogen from water, aluminium and gallium which may actually be close to practical, however, a 350 mile (563km) trip requires 350lb (159kg) of aluminium/gallium pellets. It would be much more useful to use the H2 to power a fuel-cell/electric vehicle than a combustion engine. Fuel cells are 75% efficient where piston engines are about 40% efficient.
 
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nitrobud

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what about a nuclear reactor in space. could nukes in space be considered perpetual. what is solar considered. A giant solar panel in space could generate endless electricity if near a sun. what about a bong that packed itself with a nice one hit and had a light. some scientist should invent that instead of a bomb.
Solar is not concidered Perpetual Energy because it has a source. You are just converting one form of energy to another.
 

rad3305201

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yes you can grow with a 12 volt car batterie with acouple cheap solar panels led lights it would be completely off the grid and can be used for a long time you just need to figure out how long it would keep a charge and would need to be change batteries
 

bongjockey

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Insufficient light will cause thin, spindly growth in veg. LEDs do not provide enough light to veg OR flower cannabis.
 

9inch bigbud

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Hydrogen obtained by electrolysis requires large amounts of electric current and a large supply of water.

To obtain hydrogen in sufficient quantity to power a vehicle driven by a combustion engine would require an electrolyser capable of several hundred amperes at a couple hundred volts and to have any range at all would need to carry several hundred litres (kilograms) of water.

The energy required SIMPLY to electrolyse sufficient quantities of hydrogen to propel a combustion engined vehicle would exceed the energy needed to move a standard fossil fueled vehicle- let alone transport the tank of water. Making hydrogen on the fly by electrolysis would result in an impractically heavy vehicle which is why there ARE no successful hydrogen/electrolysis powered vehicles.

You certainly will not be adding a bucket of water to your car and electrolysing enough hydrogen from the car's alternator to make any useful amounts of fuel. Anyone selling you such things is scamming you.

See: Why a hydrogen economy doesn't make sense

Purdue University has just released a process for making hydrogen from water, aluminium and gallium which may actually be close to practical, however, a 350 mile (563km) trip requires 350lb (159kg) of aluminium/gallium pellets. It would be much more useful to use the H2 to power a fuel-cell/electric vehicle than a combustion engine. Fuel cells are 75% efficient where piston engines are about 40% efficient.
New hydrogen powered car by Honda could be answer to fuel crisis - Mirror.co.uk
LED can veg plants o.k for a few weeks if you have enough of them. the reason they are crap is because you need around 3-400 watts of them to compete with hids, have you seen anyone grow with 3-400 watt led's? a 1000 watt hid only produces around 300 watts of usable light that a plant uses to grow with. one day leds will take over hid lamps for growing, but the price has to come down and the technology has to improve a little. what was everyone using to grow weed with before Hid lamps?

i think in 10 years time they will have led grow lights that will be better than hids, just look at the way technology is moving forward look at the p.c 10 years ago to what it is today:mrgreen: look around you and and then look back 10 years and see how far things have moved on.

10 years from now one will be growing under Hps bulbs im pretty sure about that. plasma lamps are out end of this year the cost around £2000 in 10 years they will be £10
 

bongjockey

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The fuel-cell powered Honda is NOT the 'hydrogen conversion' I was criticising.

This is what I was talking about:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4271579.html
The Truth About Water-Powered Cars: Mechanic's Diary

It's one thing for a car to run on air, but do the latest claims of hydrogen-turned-oxygen-turned-electricity propulsion hold water—or feed in to the hysteria of the gas crunch? In his biweekly online column, PM's senior automotive editor focuses his chemistry prowess on the case of miracle water fuel, then builds an HHO car himself.
A Japanese startup appears to be using a fuel cell (left) to convert hydrogen and oxygen into electricity for its buzz-worthy water-powered prototype (middle), though an HHO mod like the one in PM's garage (right) might be a more practical solution. (Photographs by Genepax Co. and Mike Allen)

By Mike Allen
Published on: July 3, 2008

From a startup snagging headlines to DIYers posting plans, water-powered cars have been all over the Web recently—not to mention stuffing my email inbox.

Yes, you can run your car on water. All it takes is to build a “water-burning hybrid” is the installation of a simple, often home-made electrolysis cell under the hood of your vehicle. The key is to take electricity from the car’s electrical system to electrolyze water into a gaseous mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, often referred to as Brown’s Gas or HHO or oxyhydrogen. Typically, the mixture is in a ratio of 2:1 hydrogen atoms to oxygen atoms. This is then immediately piped into the intake manifold to replace some of the expensive gasoline you’ve been paying through the nose for these last couple of months. These simple “kits” will increase your fuel economy and decrease your bills and dependence on foreign petroleum by anywhere from 15 to 300 percent.

There’s even a Japanese company, Genepax, showing off a prototype that runs on nothing but water. On June 13 Reuters published a report on the prototype, complete with a now much-blogged-about video even showing an innocuous gray box in the Genepax vehicle'strunk supplying all the power to drive the car. All you have to do is add an occasional bottle of Evian (or tea, or whatever aqueous fluid is handy), then drive all over without ever needing gasoline.

So what do I think about all of this? Why haven’t I tested and written about this stuff? It’s certain to Change the World As We Know It ... right?

Rubbish.

The only real definitive claim Genepax makes on its Web site is that its process is going to save the world from global warming. (A request for comment was not returned at press time.) Their Water Energy System (WES) appears to be nothing more than a fuel cell converting the hydrogen and oxygen back into electricity, which is used to run to a motor that drives the wheels. Fuel cell technology is well-understood and pretty efficient at changing hydrogen and oxygen into electricity and water, which is where we came in, right? Except the hydrogen came from water in the first place—something doesn’t add up here.

Here’s the deal, people: There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch.

There is energy in water. Chemically, it’s locked up in the atomic bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When the hydrogen and oxygen combine, whether it’s in a fuel cell, internal combustion engine running on hydrogen, or a jury-rigged pickup truck with an electrolysis cell in the bed, there’s energy left over in the form of heat or electrons. That’s converted to mechanical energy by the pistons and crankshaft or electrical motors to move the vehicle.

Problem: It takes exactly the same amount of energy to pry those hydrogen and oxygen atoms apart inside the electrolysis cell as you get back when they recombine inside the fuel cell. The laws of thermodynamics haven’t changed, in spite of any hype you read on some blog or news aggregator. Subtract the losses to heat in the engine and alternator and electrolysis cell, and you’re losing energy, not gaining it—period.

But enough about Genepax, which is sort of tangential to my main thesis here, and on to a more common topic in my mail que: HHO as a means of extending the fuel economy of conventional IC engines.

HHO enthusiasts—from hypermilers to Average Joes desperate to save at the pump—suggest that hydrogen changes the way gasoline burns in the combustion chamber, making it burn more efficiently or faster. Okay, there have been a couple of engineering papers that suggest a trace of hydrogen can change the combustion characteristics of ultra-lean-burning stratified-charge engines. Properly managed H2 enrichment seems to increase the burn rate of the hydrocarbons in the cylinder, extracting more energy. However, these studies only suggest increases in fuel economy by a few percentage points and don’t apply unless the engine is running far too lean for decent emissions. That’s a long way from the outrageous claims of as much as 300-percent improvements in economy that I see on the Internet and in my mailbox.

There’s no reason to believe that even more modest increases claimed by some of the ads could be achieved by a conventional, computer-controlled automobile engine running under closed-loop driving—that is, the computer’s ability to sample the oxygen output of the engine’s exhaust in real time and slew the fuel/air ratio for big mpg and small emissions. The combustion chamber events are far different in the type of ultra-lean-burn engines where hydrogen enrichment has been seen to help. Ultra-lean means there’s a lot of extra oxygen around for the hydrogen to have something to react with—far more than the very modest amount we’re sucking in from the typical homebrew hydrogen generator made from a Mason jar. And remember, these studies deal with hydrogen enrichment under closely-controlled lab conditions, not spraying an uncontrolled amount of hydrogen-oxygen mixture into your air cleaner.

I’m building a water-electrolyzer car—right now. The electrolysis cell assembly is on my workbench and ready to install, so stay tuned for the test results soon. If it works, then you can believe the hype.
And LEDs are still only useful on your xmas tree than over your cannabis plants.
 

jimmyspaz

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LED can veg plants o.k for a few weeks if you have enough of them. the reason they are crap is because you need around 3-400 watts of them to compete with hids, have you seen anyone grow with 3-400 watt led's? a 1000 watt hid only produces around 300 watts of usable light that a plant uses to grow with. one day leds will take over hid lamps for growing, but the price has to come down and the technology has to improve a little. what was everyone using to grow weed with before Hid lamps?
Flourescent tubes and the sun of course.
 

kukooi

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I designed an almost effortless perpetual electricity source ages ago,one of my many stoned inventions that seem to just appear in my mind
I never actually drew it or anything but i did test the theory with 2 marbles.

Being the kind of person i am here is the idea for you all to have if you want it.
I am not an engineer so i do not know how large the plate and the balls would have to be to power a household.

I would imagine that they would have to be pretty large and that you would probably need 1 truck battery per room and 1 large version of the ball generator.
In my mind i think that balls the size of snooker balls would easily be sufficient to constantly charge 1 truck battery.

Ok so heres my idea that i kind of tested.
I take 2 marbles and glued them together and then started them spinning on a saucepan lid.
As you can see they spin fairly quickly on their own once glued together.
Now when i take a small straw and blow on one of the marbles the speed is increased,a lot.

So basically in essence the marbles will never stop spinning as long as they are blown on for a few seconds every 60 seconds or so.

So now we have perpetually spinning marbles and we want electricity from them so take theory to another level and using much larger steel balls that have been expertly welded together and then drilled down through the middle.

We then get a shined steel plate and expertly weld a copper(i think)rod to the exact centre of the plate.
Large steel balls go down onto the top of the copper rod.
The hole in the balls would have to barely touch the rod so that they can rotate freely and unhindered from the rod.

Now we need another unit to blow on the left hand ball for just a few seconds and we want it to blow every 60 seconds or so,this does not have to be a huge strong blow so minimal power would be used by the blower.
The friction from the balls moving can be used to create a dynamo effect which can be collected and stored or used to perpetually charge batteries.

In any case in theory the balls dynamo would charge the blower battery forever or as long as the battery lasted anyway so the balls would never stop moving.
And you could charge plenty of other batteries at the same time.

As i said before i am not an engineer and i only have a very basic working knowledge of electricity and i am sure there would be plenty more things needed.
One thing i am 100% sure of is that the balls would never stop moving so therefore i can claim to have invented a perpetual and free energy source.

Heres a small video so you can maybe see what i mean.
I release this idea to the world for free,the same as all of my other ideas.
For all i know someone else has already invented it and i just didn't know about it:peace::joint:

they have started implimenting what you are talking about it cars but they are not "balls" it is a drum.... (as the car stops the energy is put into the drum instread of through friction in the brakes, the drum than spins at a very fast rate..60,000+ rpms and helps boost the car when taking off, saving u gas...but with all this centrifigal force comes alot of heat.... meaning u would have to vaccum seal the chamber an implement some kind of cooling system on it... or with the heat power like a mini steam engine and produce more power:mrgreen: haha but with all this u would have to have a really good fab shop to do all this... i can see it being done but is it worth it? why dont u get some solor panels and hook them up? you go straight to the source of all power!
 

Budsworth

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I have already seen the video. Yes, wow! Fast spinning balls... I've seen this experiment in other Magazines before. I don't think anyone but you claims more energy out then in though.

That has nothing to do with anything. You stated you get more energy out then in. It is simply impossible. Have you ever seen a Tesla Turbine? They spin VERY fast on just air also, but you can actually connect it to a generator. But again, Energy out will always be less then in. ESPECIALLY with spinning balls. These aren't even magnetically levitated to further reduce friction.

That comment about the world being flat... Wow.. Nice way to use a Straw Man attack. Doesn't help your science violating arguements any.

AGAIN, what is this magic equation you spoke of? Where is the energy coming for the Air? How are you making up for frictional losses? You never answered my legit questions. Instead you chose to insult me.

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To rebuttle your straw man attack also, You mention "people of my ilk" without taking into concideration that the "people of your ilk", for thousands of years, have yet to produce a single working prototype that runs forever. These Laws have yet to be violated.
Telsa turbine turned high voltage into low watts wich lead to the lighting of america. He was far ahead of his time just like Jimi Hendrix. Battery power is not feasable or affordabal right now. I love that every one is trying to come up with the next cool enovasion but right now the try fact is M/H H/S/P will get you fat buds. You electric geeks are smart but this
dumb fl. boy will keep growing down here in the heat.:twisted:
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
I have a perpetual energy machine for sale. Runs on air and tuna farts. The government doesn't want me to sell it. If you PayPal me $500,000, I will send you a blueprint. Cheap at 10x that price. The Arabs will be buying you out. You better hurry before the black helicopters get me.
 

kukooi

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I have a perpetual energy machine for sale. Runs on air and tuna farts. The government doesn't want me to sell it. If you PayPal me $500,000, I will send you a blueprint. Cheap at 10x that price. The Arabs will be buying you out. You better hurry before the black helicopters get me.
paypal acc #?!?!:blsmoke:
 

natmoon

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I have a perpetual energy machine for sale. Runs on air and tuna farts. The government doesn't want me to sell it. If you PayPal me $500,000, I will send you a blueprint. Cheap at 10x that price. The Arabs will be buying you out. You better hurry before the black helicopters get me.
Scoff,scoff scoff.
I suppose ignorance is bliss really,i can only wish i was as ignorant as you are.
My idea was given freely to everyone and anyone,i never asked for anyones details or any money.
My idea is sound and workable,unlike yourself:mrgreen:
 
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