Carcass' 1st CFL Stealth Grow

carcass91

carcass91

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Okay, here goes... I have like 2-3 varieties of good bagseeds in there...

Out of which, this one is called "Kerela Gold" It is a South Indian Sativa, which is one of the genetics of the White Widow (along with the brazilian Indica)




And this one, IMO is the Hymalaya Indica...





But still, Im not too sure if im right... I just wanna make sure... and, im no Pro to announce a plant to be Indica or sativa, without knowing shit abt it :)


So, what d'u thnk man?
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Kush Over

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LoL. I'm no pro either -- just picked up things here in there over about five years worth of growing. I don't take everything I read and hear as fact; I like to look up most of the stuff I hear and verify it before making any assessments on how it applies to what I can do in my little corner of the greenhouse.

The first two are definitely a sativa -- the Kerela Gold as you stated. The Himalayan Indica is a mindfuck. I suppose the real test is when you find out they're female and flower them, eh? The growth pattern should be the best indicator.

Good job on those plants so far; they're looking beautiful. Let's try to figure out this problem so they'll stay that way until you chop up some bud a couple months down the line, eh?

All right, so. I'm looking at those necrotic / rusty spots and the yellowing. Have you tried flushing the medium yet? I don't know how well the drainage is with it, but if you could try to get some water through those pots to leech off some of those salts -- whatever the hell is torturing those beauties. I hope it's that simple. I've personally never seen that happen before for any other reason than nute burn or root binding. I've had plants where the medium became too hot and I'd end up with healthy growth for a few days, then all of a sudden -- spot by spot -- the Rust of Death would creep it's way up the stalk. The root problem usually happens when the roots have pretty much outgrown the pot. Although I don't seem to think that's the case here -- maybe, never know.

Did that manure you mentioned before come in a bag of some kind? And if so; mind posting a picture or two of the NPK details and what not?
 
carcass91

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Okay, these pics are like 7 days old now... the yellowing was an issue before i used the NPK nute.... After i started using nutes, the plants have become much more healthier and there have been no more yellowing... possibly, it wasnt a nute burn, maybe it was a defficiency of some kind??.. Whatever it was, its gone now, and im happy :)

Im so sorry, cant post pics just now cos my Cam is with my bro.. i'll post it in another 4-5 hrs... stay tuned.. these babies have really grown in a week's time..

and abt the Manure, yeah.. it came in a bag allright... bt there was no NPK value mentioned whatsover.... :|

Anyways, fuck it now....



And yeah, I dnt thnk my plants are bound yet... i'll let them grow for another 10 days and then transplant :)
 
Kush Over

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carcass91 said:
Okay, these pics are like 7 days old now... the yellowing was an issue before i used the NPK nute.... After i started using nutes, the plants have become much more healthier and there have been no more yellowing... possibly, it wasnt a nute burn, maybe it was a defficiency of some kind??.. Whatever it was, its gone now, and im happy :)

Im so sorry, cant post pics just now cos my Cam is with my bro.. i'll post it in another 4-5 hrs... stay tuned.. these babies have really grown in a week's time..

and abt the Manure, yeah.. it came in a bag allright... bt there was no NPK value mentioned whatsover.... :|

Anyways, fuck it now....



And yeah, I dnt thnk my plants are bound yet... i'll let them grow for another 10 days and then transplant :)
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All right, good deal. Glad to know there's no problems with the babies. I know the feeling of watching them wilt or when you have to harvest them.

It'll make a grown man cry. :sad:

I'll be staying in tune. About to get some sleep -- it's like almost 5 AM over here where I am. LoL. I'm in the middle of resolving a few issues with my plants as well. I believe the soil's pretty dry in the nutrient department. I can fix that, though. Going to isolate a control plant when I wake up before work and check the pH and ECC. If I have to, going to administer a 30-10-10 with micro nutes. Have to be careful, though; the doses need to be incredibly minute.
 
carcass91

carcass91

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I'm not using Micro nutes as of now man.... use a 19-19-19... good results so far... i may thnk on getting some micro nutes if u say soo... Thanks for all the help man.. :)

Get some good sleep man :P
Gudnyt
 
clowdy

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hey whst up they are coming out good and im glad that they are feeling better too.
is ur soil think? from a pic of urs it looked thick.does it have good drainage?
but cuming out good
 
Kush Over

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carcass91 said:
Yes, my soil is thick and gives good drainage :D
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One of the primary things you want to avoid with growing mediums is too compact of an environment for the roots to venture through. You don't want it to be too loose, but at the same time you want it so compact that air can't get to the roots or so compact that water has a hard time draining.

If you don't have those problems, then you're good.

Look forward to seeing these grow.
 
carcass91

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Okay, sorry for the late update... i got my cam and will be posting new pics soon enough...

My babies look healthy and happy... the Kerela Gold seems to be becoming more bushy than tall.. maybe because im on 24/0 lighting, i dunno.

The Himalayan Indicas are doing good.... two of my favourite plants are almost 6" in height... i can possibly reach the magical 10" soon enough :)


Here is how my grow cab looks now...


The first three plants are my favourites... notice the second plant is more bushier... is that normal?.. is it good?
And my Himalayan baby(1st plant from left) has a hint of yellow fan leaves... :( any idea why?..
The third is also a Himalayan Indica, i planted in a big pot as i was out of smaller ones... it was very short and bushy at first but now, it is the most strongest plant.. the stems have amazing strength...The other three at the back(also himalayan) are shorter, out of which the corner most is a local weed seed... i have no fucking clue what that is... looks like a mutant... but oh well, i cant expect everything to be perfect at my first go, can i? :P
 
carcass91

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Okay, this is my Kerela gold at day 27...





Notice that it is very bushier than the other plants....

Heres a closer view...


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Okay, now this is what my Favourite Himalayan baby looks like...


The fan leaves are starting to yellow again i thnk... suggestions?

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This is the plant i planted in a big pot... is abt 4 inches tall now...



Comments?

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okay, this one is rather skinny, but i like it anyways, the bottom leaves have almost died... (btw, the bottom leaves of all the plants have died and fallen :|)



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So, what d'u think guys??
 
Kush Over

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carcass91 said:
notice the second plant is more bushier... is that normal?.. is it good?
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It's normal and it's also good. Bushy is good; the more of those growth tips you have, the more bud locations you'll get.

carcass91 said:
And my Himalayan baby(1st plant from left) has a hint of yellow fan leaves... any idea why?..
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Hm, it could be a few different things. If you can provide me close-up shots of the plant and the afflicted areas -- the yellow leaves -- I could make an assessment from there.

carcass91 said:
The third is also a Himalayan Indica, i planted in a big pot as i was out of smaller ones... it was very short and bushy at first but now, it is the most strongest plant.. the stems have amazing strength...The other three at the back(also himalayan) are shorter, out of which the corner most is a local weed seed... i have no fucking clue what that is... looks like a mutant... but oh well, i cant expect everything to be perfect at my first go, can i? :P
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Beautiful plant. They're all beautiful. They really do love that spectrum of light. The plants in the back are good, too. They look healthy from what I can tell. The one in the corner should be an interesting smoke if it turns out female, eh? I always loved those surprise grows with mystery seeds.

They all look healthy for their ages. They're bushing pretty well -- especially that Kerela Gold. If you maybe tried LST, you could maximize the light distribution further over the plant and provide those lowers tops a little more light -- they'll love you for it.

carcass91 said:
This is the plant i planted in a big pot... is abt 4 inches tall now...
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Looking good. That one's my favorite, to be honest.

carcass91 said:
okay, this one is rather skinny, but i like it anyways, the bottom leaves have almost died... (btw, the bottom leaves of all the plants have died and fallen )
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The yellowing and dropping of lower leaves -- especially the very old ones -- are caused by two things: not enough direct light and / or the plant has outgrown the use of them. As long as that yellowing does not persist up the stalk and to the larger fan leaves which shouldn't immediately drop, you're good.

As far as any yellowing I'd try a few things.

One is see if you can mount one of the lights like how we discussed before -- with the full length of the light shining over the surface of the foliage rather than just the tip of the light shining on the very top of the plant. I enclosed a picture that basically sums up where the best light emission zone of the two most common CFL bulbs are.

The red lines indicate borders; between the red lines are the area you want to be using. More of the bulb will be shining down on the plant. This might also answer a few questions as to the nature of those yellowing leaves -- perhaps they aren't getting the full dose of light they need to be useful to the plant. I hope it's that simple. They might need a good little flush to balance things out. I remember one instance I was using manure and it wasn't properly mixed with the soil -- ended up having a few hot spots where the nutes were a bit too high.

In any event; take it easy and remember..

:leaf:Grow on.:leaf:​
 

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carcass91

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Kush Over said:

They all look healthy for their ages. They're bushing pretty well -- especially that Kerela Gold. If you maybe tried LST, you could maximize the light distribution further over the plant and provide those lowers tops a little more light -- they'll love you for it.
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Man, i dunno shit about LST and topping... temme something about it man, who wouldnt want more buds on their plants? :)
 
carcass91

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And yeah, about the lighting... man gimme some ideas about how i can change my setup.... basically how i have put my light in a setup like this...



To raise height, i just raise the whole plank of wood(its like a shelf in my cabinet)... so how do u recon i can change the setup so as to get the desired result??
 
carcass91

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And u wanted close-ups for the Yellowing leaves??..here goes..





Notice the full plant is green, just the bottom fan leaves... dunno why... i hope it doesnt get to the whole plant... :|
 
Kush Over

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carcass91 said:
Man, i dunno shit about LST and topping... temme something about it man, who wouldnt want more buds on their plants?
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It's easy -- I'll explain in a post or two once we get the lights and the yellowing problem fixed.

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And yeah, about the lighting... man gimme some ideas about how i can change my setup.... basically how i have put my light in a setup like this...
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However you think you can easily move the lights to a horizontal position with the back wall so that a majority of the light will be going down on the plants rather than dispersed out from the sides like they are now what with being hung vertically with the tips of the bulbs pointed down to the plants. Like I said, that's not giving your plants the full lumen output potential that the lights can give them.

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And u wanted close-ups for the Yellowing leaves??..here goes..
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The tips of the leaves is what bothers me; the tips of some of those leaves are brown / yellow and probably a bit crisp, right? I've had that problem before with some of my first crops back in like '02 and '03. I was inexperienced and quick to go for those nutes just to perk them up and maybe -- LoL, don't know what I was thinking -- make them grow faster. What I didn't know was that at the age they were they didn't require anything more than what was already in the soil, so I ended up with symptoms similar to what your plants are having -- well, mine were a lot worse, but that's beside the point.

What's the current temperature in the cabinet and what kind of fertilizer did you give them?

I recall something to the effects of 20-20-20, right?
 
carcass91

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Temperature is 29 degrees C and yeah, the tip of the leaves are a bit crisp....Humidity is arnd 40 %... 45 ish in the morning... never more than that...

Im using a 19-19-19... just gave them their regular dosage now and they are looking good....

Gimme like a week's time and i'll fix the light setup....


Hey Kush Over thanks a lot for ur help, bro :)
 
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Hey carcass, the ladies (hopefully) are looking good! Topping and LST are two techniques that a lot of people use to help with size, and potentially, yield.

Topping is where you cut the top growth from the main stalk, thus forcing the plant to grow two main stalks (colas) where the majority of the final weight in bud, and usually the most dense bud forms. In the attached pic, note how the main stalk has been cut and is now two larger stalks. The effect of this technique varies from strain to strain, and in some cases is required in order to achieve maximum yield (blueberry comes to mind). Some strains respond less favorably. Another effect of this is it helps lateral growth significantly. This causes shorter, bushier plants. The latter is the reason I topped my plants in my grow.


LST is known as Low Stress Training. It is used to keep vertical size down and promote more side growth which then begins growing upwards to the light. See this post for more info on how to LST.
 
Kush Over

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carcass91 said:
Temperature is 29 degrees C and yeah, the tip of the leaves are a bit crisp....Humidity is arnd 40 %... 45 ish in the morning... never more than that...

Im using a 19-19-19... just gave them their regular dosage now and they are looking good....

Gimme like a week's time and i'll fix the light setup....


Hey Kush Over thanks a lot for ur help, bro :)
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Optimal temperature -- it's not too hot. Shouldn't have to worry about humidity until around harvest time and only with the worry of mold.

As far as giving them nutes. I personally like to spray the leaves, tops and undersides, with a VERY diluted mixture of the nutes I plan to use. I do this to get an idea of the problem; typically the plant will recover sooner with the quick band-aid and then I can determine whether or not to apply an equally diluted mixture to the roots, via watering. Another reason to spray the leaves with the diluted mixture is simply that if there isn't a deficiency, the damage to the plant is very minute and can be solved quicker.

For example; if there's a lock-out due to a pH imbalance and you applied the nutes to the soil, it could very well just add insult to injury, further placing you in a bad spot. But; if you sprayed the leaves with a diluted mixture to see if the plant perks up at all, you'd have a somewhat better idea of what's going on.

Anyway; I'll spit it out. I think you should try taking one plant off to the side and flushing the soil -- leeching the salinity out -- with three times the volume in water that pot contains. I'd try using one of the more severely afflicted plants to get an idea of any changes. Use the one plant as a control plant to test on before performing approved techniques and mixtures to the rest of the plants.

Just an idea.

Whatever you plan to do I'm sure everything will turn out just fine.

And by the way; no problem with the help. Just remember to..

:leaf:Grow on.:leaf:​
 
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