CBD NON-Fem SEEDS

I am relatively in-experienced with this site so my apologies if this is a re-post and a link would be greatly appreciated if so.

I am looking for CBD strong seeds that ARE NOT feminized. This seems to be quite difficult from my research to get from a quality source. I am in WASHINGTON STATE and would be happy to go to any dispensary/co-op for clones or seeds, but really prefer seeds.

Ideal strains:

-Sour Tsunami
Harlequin- From my research, clone only in CA
Harle-Tsu- Assume the same
Columbian Gold
Stephen Hawking Kush- May have found strong potential via attitude seed bank-- opinions?
Cannatonic- Can find, but FEM only
Remedy
Haleighs Hope
Charlottes Web- seems all are scams from research and they are hoarding this variety
Franks Gift

CBD Crew
-I wont list the varieties as they seem to all be feminized, but let me know if you can find any that are not.

Any that dont have notes I have not researched yet and I am hoping to the use this network to get help from people who are better at the whole google/search game then I am.

Thanks for your time guys!

R4 and ACDC are clone only. Why don't you want feminized? Because you want to breed?

More or less. I want really strong genetics and I know feminized seeds dont tend to be the best to clone off of. Plus I would like to get non fem to see specific phenos and experiment with and test and what not.

It's 100 times easier to get one of the clones I mentioned and just keep cloning them. They're the only ones that will give you 20% cbd that are widely available

My only concern is quality of clones and pheno getting with clones. etc. I'm not opposed to finding those clones, but strongly prefer pure seeds as that is how i have always approached growing/varieties. Any recommendations for clones of those varieties in the Washington area?

You got me thinking about the Quin-n-Tonic freebies I received recently.
They don't say fem anywhere on em. But they must be, since the parents are both clones .

If I ever crack em I'll have lab tests done. I'd like to try fresh cbd juicing one of these days.

augoiedes said:

I am relatively in-experienced with this site so my apologies if this is a re-post and a link would be greatly appreciated if so.

I am looking for CBD strong seeds that ARE NOT feminized. This seems to be quite difficult from my research to get from a quality source. I am in WASHINGTON STATE and would be happy to go to any dispensary/co-op for clones or seeds, but really prefer seeds.

Ideal strains:

-Sour Tsunami
Harlequin- From my research, clone only in CA
Harle-Tsu- Assume the same
Columbian Gold
Stephen Hawking Kush- May have found strong potential via attitude seed bank-- opinions?
Cannatonic- Can find, but FEM only
Remedy
Haleighs Hope
Charlottes Web- seems all are scams from research and they are hoarding this variety
Franks Gift

CBD Crew
-I wont list the varieties as they seem to all be feminized, but let me know if you can find any that are not.

Any that dont have notes I have not researched yet and I am hoping to the use this network to get help from people who are better at the whole google/search game then I am.

Thanks for your time guys!

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TGA offers non fem, high CBD seeds, with crosses like Pennywise, and Hurkle.

Bad Karma said:

TGA offers no fem, high CBD seeds, with crosses like Pennywise, and Hurkle.

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only problem is pheno hunting for the actual cbd

King Arthur said:

only problem is pheno hunting for the actual cbd

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That's true, but pheno hunting applies to almost all strains, and seeds, unless it's some sort of a ultra BX, or IBL. That's one of the best parts about popping seeds, being able to pick your own personal favorite out of the bunch, and keep her around.

Bad Karma said:

That's true, but pheno hunting applies to almost all strains, and seeds, unless it's some sort of a ultra BX, or IBL. That's one of the best parts about popping seeds, being able to pick your own personal favorite out of the bunch, and keep her around.

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I love the hunt!

BC Bud Depot has Harlequin BX4 reg seeds and you can buy direct or through some seed banks like Seed-City. I ran 4 and got 3 different phenos, 1 keeper. However all 4 turned out fem, giving them one more shot with 3 more seeds to see if I can get a male in a few weeks.

Sweet and sour widow by the cbd crew is their only non fem line that I can think of, than the "z" series by mr nice with colab of cbd crew, than there is bodhi' ac/dc x good medicine... I know they use to sell cannatonic as regs... Good luck with your search

yodabuds said:

Sweet and sour widow by the cbd crew is their only non fem line that I can think of, than the "z" series by mr nice with colab of cbd crew, than there is bodhi' ac/dc x good medicine... I know they use to sell cannatonic as regs... Good luck with your search

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good call http://cbdcrew.org/varieties/cbd-sweet-and-sour-widow/

Thank you guys so much! rollitup stopped sending me e-mails for replies (or got spam marked by accident) and some traveling/work led to missing a lot of these replies. Very cool information and comments. Going to give the cbdcrew sweet and sour widow a shot and check out the tga options as i have a lot of experience with their genetics, but have found underdeveloped seeds at times from them.

augoiedes said:

More or less. I want really strong genetics and I know feminized seeds dont tend to be the best to clone off of. Plus I would like to get non fem to see specific phenos and experiment with and test and what not.

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Fem or regular doesn't make a lot of difference. One has males, which means you do not have to use colloidal silver or any other tricks to get your plants to mate, but otherwise there's no practical difference.

It's all in the type of plant you are working with and how it was created. S1's are going to have inbreeding depression (to a degree) and maybe some bad recessives pop up more frequently. But highly inbred regular seeds will have similar problems. For breeding you actually want these inbred plants because they are going to produce the most consistent hybrids and when crossed with the right partner massive vigor (as well as pushing all those unwanted recessives back into the background).

Sweet N Sour Widow from CBD crew are regular seeds.

The Z series from Mr Nice are regular seeds. Go to Mr Nice's auctions on his website to get a chance at those. They're dirt cheap.

Cannatonic can be purchased in regular seed form I'm pretty sure.

TGA's offering has no guarantees of CBD rich plants. There's a large % of them perhaps, but some phenotypes are the high THC you more typically see. Plus polyhybrids are by far the least desirable kind of plants for breeding. Maybe you get lucky and find one plant that passes on a few desirable traits, but you will never have consistent offspring.

There is merit to polyhybrids as far as I'm concerned for a lot of reasons, but if the end goal is to create something you can rely upon and know what to expect out of, they are not the best choice. If you did go this route, you'd want to cross it with a stable line worst case to have any kind of stability in your results.

augoiedes said:

More or less. I want really strong genetics and I know feminized seeds dont tend to be the best to clone off of. Plus I would like to get non fem to see specific phenos and experiment with and test and what not.

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Let me guess, you read that on the internet and all things on the internet are true......

cough.

If I were you, I would go for one of the clones that are proven. You could go through 10 seeds and not find anything that you wanted. That would be a huge waste of time and potential medicine. Grab the proven clones from someone you can trust and go to town. Popping seeds you might not get CBD near the levels you want. I mean harlequin was only like 6% but now there are 20%ers out there. It takes time, patience, selection to achieve what you want. Also access to a lab to test it.

althor said:

Let me guess, you read that on the internet and all things on the internet are true......

cough.

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Actually that knowledge came from the master grower i apprenticed under for 5 years in Colorado who has been working in the industry for 20 years with degrees in horticulture. That knowledge of fem seeds not being as stable to clone off of as non fem seeds also came while visiting a breeding facility in Colorado. So...thanks for your input, but I will trust the masters

augoiedes said:

Actually that knowledge came from the master grower i apprenticed under for 5 years in Colorado who has been working in the industry for 20 years with degrees in horticulture. That knowledge of fem seeds not being as stable to clone off of as non fem seeds also came while visiting a breeding facility in Colorado. So...thanks for your input, but I will trust the masters

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I haven't found feminized strains any more or less difficult to clone from than regular seeds.

st0wandgrow said:

I haven't found feminized strains any more or less difficult to clone from than regular seeds.

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There are articles of fem vs reg. Not much difinitive proof out there but the fems were generally shorter and weighed in at a little less than what the regs were producing. By far not very much weight difference, not even enough to care. I would rather have both offered to me as some don't get to come in regular form.