CBD NON-Fem SEEDS

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augoiedes

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althor said:
Ok then I will ask you one more question and leave it alone...

What fem seeds have you bred with in your "experience"? For some reason I just have a hard time believing at some point you bred with feminized seeds considering you Master told you not to. I am interested in the strains that lose viability because they came from a fem seed. A female is a female, regardless of type of seed. Anyone saying anything else is saying it from bias and myths not from reality.
I have used fem seeds in many of my projects as well as regular seeds and after 6-7 generations, there is no viable differences.
I have pics, and many notes to back it up.
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Think about it from a stand point of how feminized seeds are created. Nothing about that is as natural a process as typical breeding of seeds.

Also, I never said I have bred with seeds but I have cloned off of fem seeds and regular seeds and have found regular seeds to stay stronger longer

Look, you are not benefiting this thread or topic and have added not ONE bit of information to the subject matter. So, please stop responding or add something beneficial. Your opinion is heard, now add something beneficial or go away.
 
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OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Feminized seeds are produced in nature all the time.

Your anecdotal evidence about cloning is much more likely the result of the genetics and not the process. Again, you are suggesting that somehow the fem process (the X is available from the male plant in female crosses so it hasn't gone anywhere) is actually altering the genetics of the plant and there is no good evidence of that at this time.

In short, the fem lines you have run have been poorly created on some level. They are more inbred, perhaps because they are S1's or S2's or even further or have questionable parents.

That can happen for sure.

This is not really a subjective subject (we're at such a basic level there is no real such thing as an opinion, we simply have the facts as we know them and nothing you stated in your original post is factual, no offense). It is fairly objective and at this point your beliefs don't have an objective basis, personal experience aside.
 
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augoiedes

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OGEvilgenius said:
Feminized seeds are produced in nature all the time.

Your anecdotal evidence about cloning is much more likely the result of the genetics and not the process. Again, you are suggesting that somehow the fem process (the X is available from the male plant in female crosses so it hasn't gone anywhere) is actually altering the genetics of the plant and there is no good evidence of that at this time.

In short, the fem lines you have run have been poorly created on some level. They are more inbred, perhaps because they are S1's or S2's or even further or have questionable parents.

That can happen for sure.

This is not really a subjective subject (we're at such a basic level there is no real such thing as an opinion, we simply have the facts as we know them and nothing you stated in your original post is factual, no offense). It is fairly objective and at this point your beliefs don't have an objective basis, personal experience aside.
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Out of curiosity, how do breeders create feminized seeds naturally?
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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OGEvilgenius said:
Feminized seeds are produced in nature all the time.

Your anecdotal evidence about cloning is much more likely the result of the genetics and not the process. Again, you are suggesting that somehow the fem process (the X is available from the male plant in female crosses so it hasn't gone anywhere) is actually altering the genetics of the plant and there is no good evidence of that at this time.

In short, the fem lines you have run have been poorly created on some level. They are more inbred, perhaps because they are S1's or S2's or even further or have questionable parents.

That can happen for sure.

This is not really a subjective subject (we're at such a basic level there is no real such thing as an opinion, we simply have the facts as we know them and nothing you stated in your original post is factual, no offense). It is fairly objective and at this point your beliefs don't have an objective basis, personal experience aside.
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Male plant contain x and y, female x and x, so if you take a fem and breed it with a fem no Y chromosome. That is the only down side to feminized breeding. That Y chromosome holds recessive genes, so without a male some recessive genes will be overpowered by the dominant genes of the females and possibly lost. Beyond that I would have to research this topic more to refresh my understanding of not having the Y chromosome, but to be fair the Y chromosome is just a deteriorating X chromosome anyway, so perhaps it is unnecessary as well?
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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thenotsoesoteric said:
Male plant contain x and y, female x and x, so if you take a fem and breed it with a fem no Y chromosome. That is the only down side to feminized breeding. That Y chromosome holds recessive genes, so without a male some recessive genes will be overpowered by the dominant genes of the females and possibly lost. Beyond that I would have to research this topic more to refresh my understanding of not having the Y chromosome, but to be fair the Y chromosome is just a deteriorating X chromosome anyway, so perhaps it is unnecessary as well?
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The Y chromosome is only expressed in male plants.
 
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althor

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augoiedes said:
Out of curiosity, how do breeders create feminized seeds naturally?
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Because you asked I will answer...

The "natural" way is to let a plant go much longer than it's intended harvest (which happens often in the wild with no one to cut them). Several weeks after the harvest window closes the female will start throwing out pollen in a last ditch effort. Some of the breeders use this method instead of chemicals. If the female was selected properly, it will not hermie under normal conditions and even in stressful conditions.
 
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