CBO to employers: Obamacare has $4B more in taxes than expected

canndo said:

I'll ask again, where were all these doom and gloom debt folk during the Bush administration? or was that level of debt ok?

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were you complaining about the deficits during Bush years? don't you see you complaining now, just defending. Bush did it too!! (even though I think Bush sucked, somehow when Obama does the same thing it's rainbows and unicorns)

ginwilly said:

were you complaining about the deficits during Bush years? don't you see you complaining now, just defending. Bush did it too!! (even though I think Bush sucked, somehow when Obama does the same thing it's rainbows and unicorns)

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I was complaining about them then, I was even then claiming that although the surplus was ours (funny that, now we know there was no surplus, but it was a surplus then and Bush claimed that it was not the government's) the debt was not. I asked how we were to pay for the war.

I bring this up because it seems at times to be nothing more than one more thing to pile on Obama and really has nothing to do with our fear for our children's future prosperity.

canndo said:

I was complaining about them then, I was even then claiming that although the surplus was ours (funny that, now we know there was no surplus, but it was a surplus then and Bush claimed that it was not the government's) the debt was not. I asked how we were to pay for the war.

I bring this up because it seems at times to be nothing more than one more thing to pile on Obama and really has nothing to do with our fear for our children's future prosperity.

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yes, there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle.

I feel to be consistent you should be bashing Obama with us over this. If we only point when the other team does it and turn a blind eye when our team does it, it will never end.

ginwilly said:

yes, there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle.

I feel to be consistent you should be bashing Obama with us over this. If we only point when the other team does it and turn a blind eye when our team does it, it will never end.

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Yup its called accountability, when a dog shits in the living room you don't say "well our last dog tried that also maybe we can ignore it and it will go away".....You shove his nose in it and give a good kicking in the ass on his way out the door.

ginwilly said:

yes, there are hypocrites on both sides of the aisle.

I feel to be consistent you should be bashing Obama with us over this. If we only point when the other team does it and turn a blind eye when our team does it, it will never end.

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There is a difference however. I recognize that when times are good - such as the majority of the Bush years - that is the time we should tend to our debts. No, Bush opened the trough to as many as he could and so his share of the debt is quite large. He was a spendthrift when he needn't be. Now times are tough and austerity will not correct the debt problem, only growth will and growth at times requires additional spending.

canndo said:

growth at times requires additional spending.

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by whom though? government? too risky

I would freely admit that if the 1/2 trillion stimulus package was spent entirely on infrastructure repair it may have caused an artificial spike in growth, unfortunately we borrowed money to pay government employees for another year instead so we'll never know for sure. This was lauded by Krugman, the head cheerleader of Keynesian retardation, until it didn't work. Then it blamed the fact that it didn't work on spending at the state level.

Growth is caused by the populace's state of mind as much as anything. Remember Bush begging us to buy shit with our 600 bucks? Even he knew that if we used it to pay down personal debt it was a clunker.

ginwilly said:

by whom though? government? too risky

I would freely admit that if the 1/2 trillion stimulus package was spent entirely on infrastructure repair it may have caused an artificial spike in growth, unfortunately we borrowed money to pay government employees for another year instead so we'll never know for sure. This was lauded by Krugman, the head cheerleader of Keynesian retardation, until it didn't work. Then it blamed the fact that it didn't work on spending at the state level.

Growth is caused by the populace's state of mind as much as anything. Remember Bush begging us to buy shit with our 600 bucks? Even he knew that if we used it to pay down personal debt it was a clunker.

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Nothing risky about governmental spending if it is spent in the right places, as you said,, infrastructure.

canndo said:

I'll ask again, where were all these doom and gloom debt folk during the Bush administration? or was that level of debt ok?

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It's not really about the amount of money that we owe, it's about the amount of money we owe for owing that money, called interest. The USA's interest poses a very real financial threat, when you look at the numbers in relation to what we actually owe, and what we currently spend. It's a very real problem, and to blow it off as "well we had debt before", is the precise mentality that will ice the inevitable, financial-crisis cake.

Doesn't take a history book to understand that humans are procrastinators, and governments even more so. You would see it in history books as well though. This government will procrastinate on fixing the monetary issues, and when they want to really make change, it will be too late. For this reason, a fix is just not possible. Politics are plagued with a malignant cancer that has sowed the seeds of disaster for this country's financial well-being. To think we will be fine-and-dandy without major repercussions on any various level, is just naive.

By the way, congress just passed a 660+ billion dollar defense bill. Hows that for some change? Oh wait, they didn't make a change. Get your lube ready, because when they do change their monetary irresponsibility for the better, it will be a change their obligated in doing via some degree of force, and there is a good possibility your asshole will be violated somewhere along the process.

Dr Kynes said:

will they help me wipe off my smeared lipstick, turn my panties right side out, and give me an icepack for my prolapsed anus too?

since we have to pay for that as well its really more like obamacare medicare medicaid and social security are running a train on us. maybe if we are lucky obamacare will go last, so we are already loosened up and well lubed with the semen of our other customers. i hear obamacare's deficits and debt are hung like a pony. the CBO saays this shit is gonna hurt. ill try to bear down. maybe that will help.

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They probably will if you made the request in any one specific health-facility. Then they charge that person, and the tax money writes that check.

I wonder if they will lube people's assholes in advance, for the financial circumstances the government is every-so-increasingly placing on it's people? I ought to look into that, because someone else will surely write that check for my entitled ass. KA-CHING!