Ceramic MH GE vs. Phillips

I called Advanced again and left a message. This time, Tom called me back and described in great length the various differences in the bulbs and a whole lot more (like how I could make a bulb at home with a torch and a vacuum sealed room); that dude likes to talk. Anyway, Im going to order a Phillips bulb from him and get 'er underway. Hopefully next week.

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l first off ordered 1 bulb but have a bit of extra cash on me at the mo so l said fucket since there discontinued and Advanced have limited stock of them it was not gonna cost me anymore to ship one more of them
I got a second one so. I reckon if I use 1 bulb all the way through veg/flower(with a flower length of 9/10 weeks) approx 2000 hrs but!!! if you use a CMH for growing chances are your not gonna get the full 20,000
hrs out of it it will be maybe good for 10,000 hrs!!???? anyways you should get a few grows per bulb and if it kicks ass in flower happy fricken days

iI emailed Tom back and forth. I should of called. He took 4 days to reply this time. I asked him I could run quantum digi ballasts with all starts. The quantums run 50-60Hz. He said that's not the issue. Went on to say digi don't save power and produce more light like we have been lead to believe. That's pretty much it. He never gave me a definitive answer.. I have to wait to buy a new setup
I almost forgot about rent..

Lumateks are at 50-60hz too. Does that mean they will work with a CMH? A few of the popular digitals are now 50-60hz.

tags420 said:

Lumateks are at 50-60hz too. Does that mean they will work with a CMH? A few of the popular digitals are now 50-60hz.

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I don't know. That's what I think the dna's run at. I want to test that. It will be a while til I can. You want to try and do it for all of us?

hyroot said:

I don't know. That's what I think the dna's run at. I want to test that. It will be a while til I can. You want to try and do it for all of us?

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I have no 400w ballast of any kind. And no cmh's bulb. But if monstergardens will hook it up, I might pick up a couple of those 400w mastercolor's. If they have some display ballast and I bought the bulb already they may let me test it. The mastercolors are cheaper on advanced than all starts , so should be a good deal through MG too. But are they as good as the all starts?

I've only used the all starts. According to psuagro and fonzarelli the allstarts are far better. Fonz said they got much denser when using all starts. Yield improved. The master color and retro whites have more blue than the all starts .

Hi: Hyroot
Am just looking at the CMH allstart and the HPS retro and from the graphs there is a difference in the blue specrtum but it has way less red than the retro HPS so l think it comes down to the seed strain how long you veg/flower what environment to determine yields and density l think l guess l could of got either one allstart/hps retro cause l myself have a switchable ballast
But lm happy with my choice I should start a new grow in a few weeks(fingers crossed) veging/flowering all the way through with a MasterColor HPS-Retro White
Stay tunned
Peace

There are very tiny differences in spectrum and lumens between the various Phillips CMH bulbs. The All-start runs on a MH ballast, only uses 330 watts but has less red spectrum and lumen output, the retro runs on a HPS ballast, consumes 400 watts, has more red, and more lumens. I really don't think that these minor things make much of a difference in the finished product. They are still FAR superior to standard MH and HPS bulbs in both stages of plant life... They are better than the specialty Grow-Bulbs and at about half the cost, twice the life and virtually NO lumen or spectrum loss. Plus, they don't "throw" as much heat. I know that the Phillips is way better than the GE on paper at least, and Im about to find out if it actually outperforms it. I will keep you all posted.

The spd's they show on advanced site for both bulbs is exactly the same. They don't show the true spd for the all start. Which has far more red and not much blue.

the retro white / master color has 87 lumens per wat. 80 cri. Pulls 400 watts

the allstart has 100 lumens per watt and 90 cri, pulls 330 watts.

here's a link to the spectrum charts of 330 and 860. Fonz had a radiospectrometer used on them.

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/638146-ultimate-flowering-spectrum-16.html

Whatcha guys think about the 860w CDMs? LMAO about Tom talkin your ear off...he'll go off on a tangent if you let em.