Cha Ching to use or not to use ???

PopAndSonGrows said:
meangreengrowinmachine said:
Soil ;-)
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I am using fox farm dirty dozen adding cal/mag and blackstrap molasses and ph water then oxygenate and I follow the feeding schedule on the fox farm website the last two weeks I flush with ph water and talk nice also you have to play music for your ladies It stimulates growth .My medium is ocean forest soil in 15 gallon pots under a spider farmer 4000 with an added 1000 and two side lights I have two 18 inch fans in the corners of a 5x5 tent with a atmospheric control blower which exhaust up and out and air scrubber also two six inch intakes supported by a six inch inline blower a filtered intake that can be airconditioned on hot days. I have had success with Fox Farm products I use to only grow hydroponics I think both are good but the quality of the flowers I get are amazing as far as size , looks, super sticky better than you can buy anywhere and super stoney full flavor bud I grow 6 kinds from gg4 to bty og , rain maker, astro chimp, grease monkey, northern lights and no burn unless I mix strong then only some tips then so much growth it is amazing. I just follow fox farms feeding schedule I have really healthy plants in both chambers and my harvest is incredible as far as the quality and the amount and even the advanced difficult strains do extremely well no burn no problems except they grow like crazy and the last month the stink of ripening beautiful flowers even escape the air scrubber I am so happy with fox farm dirty dozen but if there is anything anyone think is better I would love to hear about it , thank you growers keep growing !
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I completely understand that the fox farm feeding schedule is a way for fox farm to make you purchase more products then you actually need I can figure out the needed ppm and I plan on it as I progress. I follow the feeding schedule and I use the dirty dozen all the fox farm products I even use flowers kiss. The mix is thick and honestly I have 20 years growing experience with hydro recently I switched to ocean forest soil and the dirty dozen adding black strap and Cal/mag. I don't get any burn and my plants are monsters. I see many benefits over hydro, the looks, smell, taste, and really the best cannabis I have ever grown and way better than what I can buy at any shop it is great. I know that people on here are right about that it seems like overfeeding but until I figure out a better growing schedule this one is working well. If anyone has figured out a better growing schedule for the dirty dozen please let me know. With the results I am getting I don't mind a little extra expense .
 
I actually only use cha ching even when they start to flower. Dont buy into the marketing. I start small and then build up a little more every week. It not only does what the others are supposed to do, it makes my girls thrive. The more you grow the more you know. I read everyone saying not to use it...but I tried it for myself and i don't regret it one bit. This is my experience. I wouldn't use the amount directed because its SO powerful. To each their own. But do your own trial and error to find the REAL answers. Just my thoughts
 
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Used Cha Ching on a recent harvest. I used it a lil too early according to the chart, but i go light on my levels always. I personally feel like it did give my plants a final push, taste is AMAZING.
 
meangreengrowinmachine said:
I have so many ff products I bought long ago and stopped using including the dry trio. Anyone want that shit!? Lol
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I used that trio shit for 3 feedings at 1/4strength before I realized it was fucking up my plants and way too time consuming to tailor the feed for each plant as they all responded differently to it.
 
Cha Ching is the sound of your money going into someone else's bank account. The micronutrient blend I use has everything in Cha Ching and more. And it only costs $9 a pound.

Micronutrients, MKP, and some nitrogen. That's all it is.

You don't need any of these cartoon products to grow killer weed.
 
I thought Cha Ching was just MKP but it has some nitrogen and micros too. Sad thing is, a lot of bottled nutes are lacking in micros, so this product might actually help someone using an incomplete formula-I've found success adding micros to both my mineral salt and organic grows. I've used Bioag TM-7 for years, but I'm looking for a new micro product with no detectable heavy metals. It's hard to find a clean (heavy metal free) micronutrient pack. Out of curiosity, I just looked up Cha Ching here https://apps1.cdfa.ca.gov/fertilizerproducts/. It's extremely high in arsenic, almost twice as much as the average kelp meal, which is considered to be very high in arsenic. Always good to be an educated consumer!
 
PopAndSongrows
meangreengrowinmachine said:
Soil ;-)
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I'm sure you figured this out...but the reason the fox farm schedule doesn't line up with reality is because of the PRE flower cycle. They don't mention it in their guide and it bothers me but you shouldnt start the advanced NUTES in accordance with their weeks listed. The first week is just water when you switch to 12/12. The next week is small amount of open sesame. Then on the 3rd week when you start to see the first true hairs, you should start the last 8 weeks of the fox farm nutrients schedule. (Where they turn everything into 12/12)...you kind of to take it with a grain of salt kid. Use your best judgement.
 
I don't like any fox farms stuff... So no. Canna PK Boost is noticeably a good booster. Tried & true. There are tons of "PK Boosters" so pick your potion and use as directed.
 
For chemical fertilizer Hydro Gardens says when you use their base formula-4-20-39 x 15.5-0-0 Calcium Nitrate, and Epsom Salts, to feed small ever increasing amounts from seedling - up until the last 2 weeks of flowering. Also do not cut out Nitrogen during flowering. All Nitrogen is is Protein. Humans eat protein, and our bodies turn it into nitrogen. In a nutshell, Nitrogen also means of first importance.

In an 8 weeks flowering strain, and yes there are plenty of 8 weeks flowering strains. Dominion Seed Company Local Skunk being one of them, Hydro Gardens also recommends using Monopotassium Phosphate from weeks 2 1/2 or 3 until week 4, and then cut it out. Then in weeks 5-6 add extra Epsom Salts. Epsom Salts contains Sulfur, and is theorized Sulfur is responsible for Terpene production.
Then in weeks 7-8 cut the fertilizer back to 50%-60% of what you have been feeding of the base nutrients.

If you miss the window of weeks 2.5 or 3 until week 4 for adding MPK, its to late for it to help. The buds have already set.

Hydro Gardens also uses tissue analysis for their recommendations, and have been making fertilizer since 1965. They have been making Plant Specific fertilizer since the 70s.

Flushing also has no scientific basis.
 
Wizzlebiz said:
Cha ching is meant for once a week for the last 2 weeks before harvest.

You have more like 4-5 weeks to go min before harvest.

What you will do with using cha ching to early and to often is cause major lockout issues.
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No, open sesame for 2 weeks, beasty for 2 weeks and then cha ching until flush, this is what fox farm advised me and it coincides with the chart


Cha ching should be used the longest
 
Wizzlebiz said:
Lmfao. I'm trying to help you you dolt. That chart doesn't control the plants life cycle and neither do you.

You are using it way early.

Il also tell you the marketing worked like a fucking charm on you. All you need to grow proper top notch weed is the Top 3.

You got had by fox farms. Enjoy.
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Ive tried with and without the solubles (sidee by side) and the difference with them is phenominal in all aspects
 
PopAndSonGrows said:
The Hydro chart says start using it on week 4 and I'm on about week 5.5. Also plan on at least a 5 day flush. They'll be done enough and they've over-stayed their welcome.
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WEEK 1 AND 2 OF FLOWER USE OPEN SESAME, WEEK3 AND 4 USE BEASTY AND THEN USE CHA CHING FOR THE REST UNTIL FLUSH,. FOR LONGER FLOWERING STRAINS ADD WEEKS INTO THE BEASTY BLOOMS AS NECCESSARY

THIS IS WHAT FOX FARM ADVISED ME AND IT WORKS AMAZINGLY
 
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