Chaos on the Horizon?

Neb.Okla. sue Colo.in Supreme to kill Pot.

Backlash. It is inevitable, alas. We are full of it, in self rule.

People really don't get what that even means, self rule. In this system, Entities at every level are in adversarial conflict. And each are after their own ability to not be dictated to, if it all possible. This is the 9th Amendment, entire.

To not be dictated to, if it all possible. is the duty and the honor of all of us that care, about self rule. The rest of us are the sheep, or asleep or lost.

Self rule doesn't mean we get everything and everyone else goes to hell or it is not self rule.

So, the only way to say we don't have self rule here, is to totally mis-use the term, selfishly.

Self rule means we all carefully challenge each other to define the constantly shifting boundaries of the good of the many vs. the good of the few. It includes lawsuits, protests, civil disobedience and even the lawful killing of intruders.

A dispute with my next door neighbor over some easement claim he is trying, in order to take part of my property? That is the same thing as States suing each other over losses of revenue, water rights, population shifts, and in this example counter-culture fear.

It is all good, since it is all interlocked self rule. And mainly, it all good because the other forms of Govt, are so much worse.

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And mainly, it all good because the other forms of Govt, are so much worse.

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I don't know, Seems like living a middle class life under a benevolent tyrant in Monaco would not be SO MUCH WORSE than living in a repressive moribund oligarchy.

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I don't know, Seems like living a middle class life under a benevolent tyrant in Monaco would not be SO MUCH WORSE than living in a repressive moribund oligarchy.

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Here even you can become middle class. You can become White Collar. Hell, even I did it. Anywhere else, it is an actual Oligarch.

You cannot rise into it if you were not born in it.. And there are no Constitutional guarantees or even a pretense.

No Tyrant is Benevolent. We have self serving, self rule of Law, carefully backlashed, and ass balanced with lawsuits, but we don't have capricious dictates of a tyrant.

With us, most all the dick heads have to be re-elected.

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Here even you can become middle class. You can become White Collar. Hell, even I did it. Anywhere else, it is an actual Oligarch.

You cannot rise into it if you were not born in it.. And there are no Constitutional guarantees or even a pretense.

No Tyrant is Benevolent. We have self serving, self rule of Law, carefully backlashed, and ass balanced with lawsuits, but we don't have capricious dictates of a tyrant.

With us, most all the dick heads have to be re-elected.

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I don't understand your sentence "Anywhere else, it is an actual Oligarch" I hope you are not suggesting we are not an emerging oligarchy (1 man bought the S. Carolina legislature in 2012). You can break into the empowered class of an oligarchy (Russia is the poster child), In others you can become wealthy and that buys a certain amount of influence with the garchs, especially if your wealth gathering puts money in their pockets..No there are no const. guarantees,but my post was about living under a benevolent tyrant not under an olig. system (what is life liberty and pursuit of etc...worth in this country nowadays), Here is the learning moment.......In academic circles ANY person that comes to power outside of the democratic process is referred to as a tyrant (kings, dictators. czars, emperors, pharohs etc.) be they kind, cruel or indifferent ( if they are too capricious then they are no longer a benevolent tyrant. The dick heads are reelected as a matter of course, Mr Brownback of Kansas comes to mind.

Well, you are severely partisan. I am not. I see all the assholes of history, equally, including all the Democrats that are and were, and all the Republicans, same-same.

If you think there is no Oligarch under Tyrant, you are so wrong. The Oligarch pays the Tyrant for Protection. The Tyrant leaves the Oligarch in place to pay Tribute and to Punish. It is a static vision, if history is the judge. A wide, tiny village scene of 1000s of years of static fear. A small number of families or perhaps an exponential Princedom like the House of Saud, control the flow of Tribute, i.e. the Oligarch Layer. Atop that is the Capo Court of Meddlers and Records and the Tyrant rules capriciously. King Rat himself. There is not a bit of justice, and never will be.

So, go ahead and hate the USA. But it is different and in your life time, as in mine, you will see vast change for the better, based on the Institutions that are surfacing today, in self RULE. Stuff gets solved and it is not static.

A Benevolent Tyrant? Who fills you mind with such fluff? There is no such thing. Power corrupts. And Absolute Power? It absolutely corrupts. That is why we have Law and mad dog lawyers to be corrupted and then pulled down before too much harm is done.

And don't be rewriting and plagiarizing, then falsely attributing my stuff, you nitwit.

Make your own prose, if you can.

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And don't be rewriting and plagiarizing, then falsely attributing my stuff, you nitwit.

Make your own prose, if you can.

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HOLD ON A MINUTE DUDE.It's possible I have stepped on toes but plagerizing, no way to my knowledge. if U explain yourself further perhaps I can see where you are coming from.

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Well, you are severely partisan. I am not. I see all the assholes of history, equally, including all the Democrats that are and were, and all the Republicans, same-same.

If you think there is no Oligarch under Tyrant, you are so wrong. The Oligarch pays the Tyrant for Protection. The Tyrant leaves the Oligarch in place to pay Tribute and to Punish. It is a static vision, if history is the judge. A wide, tiny village scene of 1000s of years of static fear. A small number of families or perhaps an exponential Princedom like the House of Saud, control the flow of Tribute, i.e. the Oligarch Layer. Atop that is the Capo Court of Meddlers and Records and the Tyrant rules capriciously. King Rat himself. There is not a bit of justice, and never will be.

So, go ahead and hate the USA. But it is different and in your life time, as in mine, you will see vast change for the better, based on the Institutions that are surfacing today, in self RULE. Stuff gets solved and it is not static.

A Benevolent Tyrant? Who fills you mind with such fluff? There is no such thing. Power corrupts. And Absolute Power? It absolutely corrupts. That is why we have Law and mad dog lawyers to be corrupted and then pulled down before too much harm is done.

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Ha U call me partisan and we agree almost all the way down the line.I agree with every thing u say down to "King rat himself".Yes the tyrant rules capriciously,but that does not mean they rule malevolently or unjustly.as U seem to attribute to all tyrants. As far as hate and the USA goes I don't think they should be used in the same sentence. Yes U are right things get better but we have 2 800lb gorillas in the room.climate change (which affects more than most people realize). and the population,we're over crowded and getting worse. Benevolent tyrant is legit. Because it is an oxymoron is no reason to disbelieve the def.I gave in a prev. post Where does this stuff come from, how about Archaeology today, Biblical archaeology,Smithsonian Magazine, Joseph Campbell, I recommend to all who desire some enlightenment, And here is a good one NAHUM, ZEPHANIAH, HABAKKUK minor prophets of the seventh century bc. A great little book by three guys who made predictios about wars during that time,then went and watched the battles/wars they predicted on.Evidently their stories survived pretty intact and they really tell the nitty gritty story of battles and occupation at that time. Good reading. etc. Absolute power Ur right. U can pull down the lawyers but you can't pull down the supremes.

Capricious is un-just simply because it can be at any point. It is capricious and by very definition, un-just. The "benevolent" tyrant is thrown down and is replaced by repression. The Tyrant has a bad day, more repression.

There is no such thing outside of Karl Marx as a Benevolent Tyrant. It is a social theory only. It has not basis in Reality.

The Tyrants are not ruled by Law. Here our only Tyrant is the Law we decide for ourselves.

And I did not evoke some evil Bush from the past and I did not mung, plagiarize and falsely attribute your words.

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And don't be rewriting and plagiarizing, then falsely attributing my stuff, you nitwit.

Make your own prose, if you can.

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It's OK. The Mod took down your false attribution. It means you must converse like a man.

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It's OK. The Mod took down your false attribution. It means you must converse like a man.

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Don't suppose it occurred to you the post could be the result of a foul up in the use of the style options above the first line,by someone who does not know the first thing about them. My apologies for putting up a post that appeared all the thoughts were yours. Your thoughts were supposed to appear in the square the rest was my answer to those thoughts and was to be in the regular place. When I posted that didn't happen. Then,as you say, I made the nitwit move, and did not delete it at once. a big f***u*, and it did appear you said those things,You did not., but it was not my intention to alter the message of any post to make it appear U did.

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Don't suppose it occurred to you the post could be the result of a foul up in the use of the style options above the first line,by someone who does not know the first thing about them. My apologies for putting up a post that appeared all the thoughts were yours. Your thoughts were supposed to appear in the square the rest was my answer to those thoughts and was to be in the regular place. When I posted that didn't happen. Then,as you say, I made the nitwit move, and did not delete it at once. a big f***u*, and it did appear you said those things,You did not., but it was not my intention to alter the message of any post to make it appear U did.

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Fair enough. It looked like an Uncle Buck trick. A Doer quote box, but, some, "let me fix that for you" half me, half bullshit about Bush. Or it looked a lot like abondonconflict's "decoding."

So, if that was not how you meant to do it, fine by me. That is to say, if you meant to put your quoted bs next to my quoted bs, well I say all bs is welcome as long as we know who's is who's. OK?