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Microdizzey

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A year after financial crisis, a new world order emerges



By Kevin G. Hall, McClatchy Newspapers Kevin G. Hall, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Tue Sep 8, 3:41 pm ET
WASHINGTON — One year after the near collapse of the global financial system, this much is clear: The financial world as we knew it is over, and something new is rising from its ashes.
Historians will look to September 2008 as a watershed for the U.S. economy.
On Sept. 7 , the government seized mortgage titans Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac . Eight days later, investment bank Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy, sparking a global financial panic that threatened to topple blue-chip financial institutions around the world. In the several months that followed, governments from Washington to Beijing responded with unprecedented intervention into financial markets and across their economies, seeking to stop the wreckage and stem the damage.
One year later, the easy-money system that financed the boom era from the 1980s until a year ago is smashed. Once-ravenous U.S. consumers are saving money and paying down debt. Banks are building reserves and hoarding cash. And governments are fashioning a new global financial order.
Congress and the Obama administration have lost faith in self-regulated markets. Together, they're writing the most sweeping new regulations over finance since the Great Depression. And in this ever-more-connected global economy, Washington is working with its partners through the G-20 group of nations to develop worldwide rules to govern finance.
"Our objective is to design an economic framework where we're going to have a more balanced pattern of growth globally, less reliant on a buildup of unsustainable borrowing . . . and not just here, but around the world," said Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner .
The first faint signs that the U.S. economy may be clawing its way back from the worst recession since the Great Depression are only now starting to appear, a year after the panic began. Similar indications are sprouting in Europe , China and Japan .
Still, economists concur that a quarter-century of economic growth fueled by cheap credit is over. Many analysts also think that an extended period of slow job growth and suppressed wage growth will keep consumers — and the businesses that sell to them — in the dumps for years.
"Those things are likely to be subpar for a long period of time," said Martin Regalia, the chief economist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce . "I think it means that we probably see potential rates of growth that are in the 2-2.5 (percent) range, or maybe . . . 1.8-1.9 (percent)." A growth rate of 3 percent to 3.5 percent is considered average.
The unemployment rate rose to 9.7 percent in August and is expected to peak above 10 percent in the months ahead. It's already there in at least 15 states. Regalia thinks that it could be five years before the U.S. economy generates enough jobs to overcome those lost and to employ the new workers entering the labor force.
All this is likely to keep consumers on the sidelines.
"I think this financial panic and Great Recession is an inflection point for the financial system and the economy," said Mark Zandi , the chief economist for forecaster Moody's Economy.com. "It means much less risk-taking, at least for a number of years to come — a decade or two. That will be evident in less credit and more costly credit. If you are a household or a business, it will cost you more, and it will be more difficult to get that credit."
The numbers bear him out. The Fed's most recent release of credit data showed that consumer credit decreased at an annual rate of 5.2 percent from April to June, after falling by a 3.6 percent annual rate from January to March. Revolving lines of credit, which include credit cards, fell by an annualized 8.9 percent in the first quarter, followed by an 8.2 percent drop in the second quarter.
That's a sea change. For much of the past two decades, strong U.S. growth has come largely through expanding credit. The global economy fed off this trend.
China became a manufacturing hub by selling attractively priced exports to U.S. consumers who were living beyond their means. China's Asian neighbors sent it components for final assembly; Africa and Latin America sold China their raw materials. All fed off U.S. consumers' bottomless appetite for more, bought on credit.
"That's over. Consumers can do their part — spend at a rate consistent with their income growth, but not much beyond that," Zandi said.
If U.S. consumers no longer drive the global economy, then consumers in big emerging economies such as China and Brazil will have to take up some of the slack. Trade among nations will take on greater importance.
In the emerging "new normal," U.S. companies will have to be more competitive. They must sell into big developing markets; yet as the recent Cash for Clunkers effort underscored, the competitive hurdles are high: Foreign-owned automakers, led by Toyota , reaped the most benefit from the U.S. tax breaks for new car purchases, not GM and Chrysler .
Need a loan? Tough luck: Many U.S. banks are in no condition to lend. Around 416 banks are now on a "problem list" and at risk of insolvency. Regulators already have shuttered 81 banks and thrifts this year.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. reported on Aug. 27 that rising loan losses are depleting bank capital. The ratio of bank reserves to bad loans was 63.5 percent from April to June, the lowest it's been since the savings-and-loan crisis in 1991.
For all that, the U.S. economy does seem to be rising off its sickbed. The latest manufacturing data for August point to a return to growth, and home sales are rising. Indeed, there are many encouraging signs emerging in the global economy.
It's all growth from a low starting point, however, and many economists think that there'll be a lower baseline for U.S. and global growth if the new financial order means less risk-taking by lenders and less indebtedness by companies and consumers.
That seems evident now in the U.S. personal savings rate. It fell steadily from 9.59 percent in the 1970s to 2.68 percent in the easy-money era from 2000 to 2008; from 2005 to 2007, it averaged 1.83 percent.
Today, that trend is in reverse. From April to June, Americans' personal savings rate was 5 percent, and it could go higher if the unemployment rate keeps rising. Almost 15 million Americans are unemployed — and countless others are underemployed or uncertain about their job security, so they're spending less and saving more.
A few years ago, banks fell all over themselves to offer cheap home equity loans and lines of consumer credit. No more. Even billions in government bailout dollars to spur lending haven't changed that.
"The strategy that was stated at the beginning of the year — which is that you would sustain the banking system in order that it would resume lending — hasn't worked, and it isn't going to work," said James K. Galbraith , an economist at the University of Texas at Austin .
Over the course of 2008, the nation's five largest banks reduced their consumer loans by 79 percent, real estate loans by 66 percent and commercial loans by 19 percent, according to FDIC data. A wide range of credit measures, including recent FDIC data, show that lending remains depressed.
Why? The foundation of U.S. credit expansion for the past 20 years is in ruin. Since the 1980s, banks haven't kept loans on their balance sheets; instead, they sold them into a secondary market, where they were pooled for sale to investors as securities. The process, called securitization, fueled a rapid expansion of credit to consumers and businesses. By passing their loans on to investors, banks were freed to lend more.
Today, securitization is all but dead. Investors have little appetite for risky securities. Few buyers want a security based on pools of mortgages, car loans, student loans and the like.
"The basis of revival of the system along the line of what previously existed doesn't exist. The foundation that was supposed to be there for the revival (of the economy) . . . got washed away," Galbraith said.
Unless and until securitization rebounds, it will be hard for banks to resume robust lending because they're stuck with loans on their books.
"We've just been scared," said Robert C. Pozen , the chairman of Boston -based MFS Investment Management . He thinks that the freeze in securitization reflects a lack of trust in Wall Street and its products and remains a huge obstacle to the resumption of lending that's vital to an economic recovery.
Enter the Federal Reserve. It now props up the secondary market for pooled loans that are vital to the functioning of the U.S. financial system. The Fed is lending money to investors who're willing to buy the safest pools of loans, called asset-backed securities.
Through Sept. 3 , the Fed had funded purchases of $817.6 billion in mortgage-backed securities. These securities were pooled mostly by mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae , Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae . In recent months, the Fed also has moved aggressively to lend for purchase of pools of other consumer-based loans.
Today, there's little private-sector demand for new loan-based securities; government is virtually the only game in town. That's why on Aug. 17 , the Fed announced that it would extend its program to finance the purchase of pools of loans until mid-2010. That suggests there's still a long way to go before a functioning securitization market — the backbone of consumer lending — returns to a semblance of normalcy.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090908/pl_mcclatchy/3307834
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/v-fullstory/story/1223712.html





What say you?

I hope they know what they're doing. It seems that we need to make some big changes to stop the bleeding. I just hope this is the right way and not a huge mistake.
 

CrackerJax

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There are many more bailouts in the pipeline......

The numbers are going to crush us..... an unpopular view here..... but none the less true.
 

NoDrama

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I concur, they will keep things looking cheery until after the 2010 elections, then all hell breaks loose IMO.

If Timmy Geithner opens his mouth nothing but big fat lies emanate from within. Liar Liar pants on fire hanging from a telephone wire kind of lies. Bernanke is the same, anything these goons tell you is just BS. They are 100% on board with destroying this nations sovereignty, their are collectivist dogs in the kennel of the Fabian society. Banks enslave us, and the biggest of them all is the Fed. End the Fed!
 

Microdizzey

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Found more related articles:

UN wants new global currency to replace dollar

The dollar should be replaced with a global currency, the United Nations has said, proposing the biggest overhaul of the world's monetary system since the Second World War.



In a radical report, the UN Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) has said the system of currencies and capital rules which binds the world economy is not working properly, and was largely responsible for the financial and economic crises.
It added that the present system, under which the dollar acts as the world's reserve currency, should be subject to a wholesale reconsideration.
Although a number of countries, including China and Russia, have suggested replacing the dollar as the world's reserve currency, the UNCTAD report is the first time a major multinational institution has posited such a suggestion.

In essence, the report calls for a new Bretton Woods-style system of managed international exchange rates, meaning central banks would be forced to intervene and either support or push down their currencies depending on how the rest of the world economy is behaving.
The proposals would also imply that surplus nations such as China and Germany should stimulate their economies further in order to cut their own imbalances, rather than, as in the present system, deficit nations such as the UK and US having to take the main burden of readjustment.
"Replacing the dollar with an artificial currency would solve some of the problems related to the potential of countries running large deficits and would help stability," said Detlef Kotte, one of the report's authors. "But you will also need a system of managed exchange rates. Countries should keep real exchange rates [adjusted for inflation] stable. Central banks would have to intervene and if not they would have to be told to do so by a multilateral institution such as the International Monetary Fund."
The proposals, included in UNCTAD's annual Trade and Development Report , amount to the most radical suggestions for redesigning the global monetary system.
Although many economists have pointed out that the economic crisis owed more to the malfunctioning of the post-Bretton Woods system, until now no major institution, including the G20 , has come up with an alternative
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/6152204/UN-wants-new-global-currency-to-replace-dollar.html
 

Microdizzey

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And more:

Dollar Is Funny Money in Push for World Currency

Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) -- Like the Chinese, the folks at Disney World peg their currency to the dollar. Hand them $1 U.S. and you receive one Disney dollar, complete with a picture of Mickey Mouse or his friends, plus the signature of Disney’s official treasurer, Scrooge McDuck.
That transaction now seems superfluous. The U.S. dollar is rapidly transforming into a Mickey Mouse currency. This has led to a rising call for the creation of an alternative to the dollar in the form of a new world currency. It would be an enormous mistake to discount these calls as a sideshow. The odds of a world currency emerging have never been higher.
The calls are coming from many corners. Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz chaired a United Nations panel that recommended the creation of a global reserve currency. Zhou Xiaochuan, governor of the People’s Bank of China, proposed that the International Monetary Fund take over the global leadership role traditionally ceded to the U.S. And Russian President Dmitry Medvedev handed out minted coin samples of a new world currency at the recent Group of Eight meeting in Italy.
These calls are worth paying attention to for a number of reasons. The arguments for a world currency are much better than you might think. An alternative to the dollar clearly has a promising market that can develop even if it is opposed by the U.S. And the idea of a world currency is most attractive to those who devoutly believe in multilateral institutions and the Canon of Lord Keynes -- beliefs that are hardly in short supply in Barack Obama’s White House.
Let’s look at each point in turn.
Buffer Currency
The dollar (and to a lesser extent the yen and euro) primarily serves as the world’s reserve currency. This means that nations around the world accumulate dollars, and dollar- denominated assets such as U.S. Treasuries, to provide a buffer stock against bad macroeconomic news.
From the point of view of dollar customers, this practice has two big problems.
First, countries playing the game are giving the U.S. and other developed nations a large low-interest loan. The Stiglitz panel estimated that developing countries loaned $3.7 trillion to developed countries in 2007 alone. No rational development policy could defend such a capital flow.
Second, the U.S. and almost every other developed nation are on unsustainable fiscal paths, with soaring deficits and likely severe financial problems down the road. Developing nations that hoard dollars probably will experience big losses.
So it is easy to see why developing nations in particular might want to band together and pursue an alternative strategy that diverts the monetary spoils away from the U.S.
Zhou and the Stiglitz panel have independently described how this might occur.
IMF Currency
The IMF issues something known as Special Drawing Rights. These are analogous to a currency and were originally intended to replace gold as an international unit of account. The SDR market, limited until now, could easily be expanded, especially if a number of countries band together and announce that they would hold a large fraction of their reserves in the IMF currency.
If such a move were to gather steam, Keynesians would have yet another reason to celebrate the resurgence of their ideas. When the Bretton Woods system was set up, tying world currencies to the dollar, John Maynard Keynes proposed that the world establish an international currency unit that he called the bancor. A key attraction of the bancor was that it was to relax the pressure on distressed countries to run budget surpluses during recessions in order to ease the fears of antsy investors.
Keynesian White House
Pressures for such policies persist to this day and likely have a number of sympathetic ears in the Obama White House. Paul Volcker has expressed support for the idea and can’t possibly be alone in that view. This is, after all, the administration that put all of its cards on the largest Keynesian stimulus package in U.S. history. Such devout faith in Keynes seems incompatible with vehement opposition to adopting the bancor.
Given these forces, it seems likely that a world currency will emerge sooner rather than later. Here’s how it might happen:
Countries such as China and Russia will seek to expand the market for the world currency, perhaps by divorcing themselves from the dollar and investing heavily in bancors. After the developing world follows suit, nations will begin to peg their currencies to the bancor. Eventually, even the U.S. may well join in.
If that comes to pass, our currency transactions will be analogous to what happens today at Disney World. Only this time, the U.S. dollar will truly be the funny money.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=adiwJJwwge88
 

Microdizzey

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Last one for tonight:

United Nations conference calls for new global currency


http://rawstory.com/08/news/author/stephencwebster/ Published: September 7, 2009
Updated 1 day ago






The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development said in a report published Monday that the U.S. dollar should be replaced as the world’s standard reserve currency, giving rise to a new global currency managed by an as-yet undetermined financial regulatory organization. Heiner Flassbeck, director of the conference, told Bloomberg News that changes needed in the world’s financial systems rival the scope of the Bretton Woods or European Monetary System agreements.
The Bretton Woods agreement established in 1944 the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, following allied victory in World War II.
“[The] dominance of the dollar as the main means of international payments [has] played an important role in the build-up of the global imbalances in the run-up to the financial crisis,” the report says. “Another disadvantage of the current international reserve system is that it imposes a greater adjustment burden on deficit countries (except if it is a country issuing a reserve currency) than on surplus countries.”
The UN adds: “Such a multilateral system would tackle the problem of destabilizing capital flows at its source. It would remove a major incentive for speculation and ensure that monetary factors do not stand in the way of achieving a level playing field for international trade. It would also get rid of debt traps and counterproductive conditionality. The last point is perhaps the most important one: countries facing strong depreciation pressure would automatically receive the required assistance once a sustainable level of the exchange rate had been reached in the form of swap agreements or direct intervention by the counterparty.”
The move should not be surprising to observers of global economics, as a U.N. panel of currency experts came to the same conclusion in March, according to Reuters.
The conference specifically emphasizes the enhancement of the International Monetary Fund’s “special drawing right” (SDR), which may serve as the “supranational” currency.
World-wide shake-up
The past year has seen a dramatic shake-up in oversight and management of the U.S. and global economies.
For months, Russia and China have been calling for a new world reserve currency.
Russia, for its part, supports replacing the dollar on the world stage, suggesting the Chinese yuan may be the quickest path to diversified reserves.
“There is a need to make the IMF a true representative of the world’s leading economies. It’s not there right now,” said Russian finance minister Alexei Kudrin in June, noting that China had a lower representation quota than Switzerland or Belgium.
Kudrin also said he did not expect to see any new monetary unions rise, although the Gulf states agreed in May to use Saudi Arabia as a base for a pending “monetary union” and new central banking authority.
The issue of IMF reform should therefore be raised “in earnest, in a bold way,” Kudrin said, adding countries should be “represented in proportion to the strength of these economies and their role in the world economy.”
Over the weekend, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner argued successfully to strengthen the “Basel II” framework for international commerce, which would see all G20 member nations increase their currency liquidity and allow centralized, “global supervision” of financial industries. The Obama administration is committed to full compliance with the framework by 2011.
The Group of 20 finance ministers and central bank governors plan to meet in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on Sept. 24 and 25. Several major liberal groups are planning demonstrations, including the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition. The city has already secured a deal to use National Guard troops to provide a security buffer for the world’s financial elite during their meeting.
Also on Sunday, a key Chinese official predicted that the dollar’s increasing supply, which grows with added liquidity, meant the currency could “fall hard” within “a year or two.” The official also signaled that China is moving its reserves away from the dollar and toward gold, euros and yen.
Washington has staunchly defended the dollar as the world’s reserve, with President Obama, Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner all insisting there is no need for a new global reserve currency.
The UN report which makes the recommendations is available online (PDF link).
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/07/united-nations-calls-for-new-world-currency/
 

CrackerJax

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Obama seems to be working quite hard on making sure it all happens..... sure glad he's in our corner...:roll:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yes, Obama is fitting that def nicely..... repeat same mistakes and expect different results..... bingo. Ur right.
 

Microdizzey

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Yes, Obama is fitting that def nicely..... repeat same mistakes and expect different results..... bingo. Ur right.
I don't think Obama is making these decisions. He is just a puppet after all, just like Bush.

The ones getting massive power from this are those who control the IMF. They hold no allegiance to any nation...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
It applies to YOU. When you are in favor of a govt. going on a complete spending binge....and it is a binge, when the global economy is reeling.....then it does apply to you. The rest of us are concerned we may lose the dream of independence and self reward....the cornerstone of prosperity and freedom.

You want something else? Move to Venezuela and send me a post card.
 

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

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It applies to YOU. When you are in favor of a govt. going on a complete spending binge....and it is a binge, when the global economy is reeling.....then it does apply to you. The rest of us are concerned we may lose the dream of independence and self reward....the cornerstone of prosperity and freedom.

You want something else? Move to Venezuela and send me a post card.[/QUOTE] You must be smoking that paranoid weed:bigjoint: I felt like that for the last eight years, Now I got my own;-) something must be good:peace:
 

jrh72582

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It applies to YOU. When you are in favor of a govt. going on a complete spending binge....and it is a binge, when the global economy is reeling.....then it does apply to you. The rest of us are concerned we may lose the dream of independence and self reward....the cornerstone of prosperity and freedom.

You want something else? Move to Venezuela and send me a post card.
Why Venezuela, with it's negative connotations? Why not Sweden, Denmark, or France? Why not Italy, Germany, or Spain? Why not Iceland, England, or (insert one of many successful, socialist countries here)?

Come on man.....

We're not falling for it.
 

Microdizzey

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Am I missing something here? I came across all these articles that say the same thing.

Replacing the dollar as the dominant currency for a world currency. Is this a good idea? This has NOTHING to do with democrats and republicans. Don't bring that stupid shit here. This is about a world currency. I would like to know opinions about it. Good thing or bad thing? I'm not for or against it really. The only problem I see is that the IMF will have superior power over every government. But technically they've had that power for some time. Would a world currency require new world laws and regulations? Will it effect national sovereignty? Will the US dollar be devalued to oblivion?

Please don't make this a democrat/republican fight. I know your opinions are based on your political beliefs, but try to keep this an economic discussion and not political. What would be best for our economy and the global economy.
 

ViRedd

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A world currency would require a world bank, would it not? If true, then a world bank would requrie a world economic structure ... and that would mean a world government, no? Nation states, here we come. Can you imagine the power that would come with being the chairman of a world federal reserve?
 

PVS

Active Member
It applies to YOU. When you are in favor of a govt. going on a complete spending binge....and it is a binge, when the global economy is reeling.....then it does apply to you. The rest of us are concerned we may lose the dream of independence and self reward....the cornerstone of prosperity and freedom.

You want something else? Move to Venezuela and send me a post card.
did you totally miss the point on purpose?
 
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