Thanks for the heads up... ha. I am new to all of this and just looking for an led grow light. It is amazing what one can learn whilst researching things. This is like an all out war! haaa. Maybe I ought to go the MH Lighting route! So many scammers and weirdness on the LED end of the spectrum. I just read your article on Scammie Mckenzie... Girl turns into a guy, working at a car dealership in AZ. You cant make this stuff up! What did I stumble into? haaa. I am sitting here mindblown right now. HolyMoly what a story that is! This is like the X-files or something.\
^^^If shady-ass magnum led and hydrogrow led's Scamie mckensie are involved in this IDK who to believe then..........chloroba c2led has some explaining to do, why are you involved with he/she Scamie on your website??????????????????????
Hey man . Why don't you pay them half first , and the rest payment after they offer you proof photoes that they have finished products . It seems that we both have bad experience with Chinese companies . That's terrible .They are all shit .You know EXACTLY what I am talking about with Bysen it seems... We sure aren't alone out there, I'm getting feedback from current employees of Bysen as well as a LOT of unhappy customers that went direct and bought Bysen product through a student online marketer and now that there are warranty issues the student is nowhere to be found. I think this needs to be addressed in this thread so that anyone in here that is considering buying from china direct is aware that the multitude of similar listing on websites like Alibaba coming from the same company for the same product are because companies like Bysen hire freshly graduated university students every year after Chinese new year as interns and their primary job is to spam the forums and online China business listings in hopes that someone will stumble upon their ad and contact them as a company representative. The problem here is that the student isn't actually hired directly by bysen but rather through a third party sales trading company that has a direct relationship with the owner of the manufacturing company. This causes problems like you are seeing with my case where the company and the sales manager who has his own company set up for tax reasons work together to steal or avoid warranty liability. Check out the skype log between myself and Andy Lau from Bysen (sales1@bsled.com, ironically the same as shawn tong's email...). In the discussion you can clearly see how the game of pass the buck is played by the chinese. I specifically ask for proof and the question is completely ignored... Anyways, don't ever deal with a student marketer, deal only with an actual manager of the company that uses PAYPAL. If the person you are dealing with can't show you a manufacturing company certificate issued by the Chinese Government and request your money be sent to a bank account that bears that EXACT name then you aren't dealing with the manufacturer. Be careful, these slippery little fukkers have been perfecting this art of scamming north american companies for a LONG, LONG time and this is EXACTLY the reason why companies like Nike and others are cutting ALL ties with these little monkeys!!! Buy MADE IN USA!!!!
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So this entire thread was created by a 100% scammer trying to destroy/hurt another Company (bysen)?The best part is the SOL 4 LED grow light sells for a reasonable $584. That’s only $2.92 per watt!
check the first page lax123,........ but essentially YESHow did u notice that about Magnum led?
http://blog.hydrogrowled.com/2013/12/10/led-grow-lights-greed-has-taken-over/
So that chloro guy/Girl = hydrogrowled.
Why does hydrogrowled buy lights worth 45k from bysen?
And why r there "hints" on that chloroba Homepage like this:
So this entire thread was created by a 100% scammer trying to destroy/hurt another Company (bysen)?
I would disregard this and search more for opinions. This whole thing involved Cammie who in the past had used a couple shady ruthless tactics against competitors. Even making fake profiles on forums to defam and/or promote hydrogrow leds. So no telling if a single word of those claims of being done wrong by bysen are even true. Bysen is essentially like cidly. Cheap mass produced disposable leds with short lifespans was what I gathered doing my research. So I purchased lights elsewhere. If I were going to buy some cheap panels like that I'd look at the top led units with reflectors. Seen some good looking grows with those. Though keep in mind no telling how long they'll last.hi ,
just stumbled upon this post after searching for reviews on Bysen.
i do have one question tho. as a business man also entering to this field i wonder who pays in advance for production? all over the world banks and businesses are using LC as a method of payment. why here is different?
this is just one story, are they any more you have encountered?
if we are to talk about Chinese manufacturers i do have one this to share from my experience. it is true that it is harder to find a high quality product and great customer service , but their are a few
peace
McKenzie also reported "problem" customers to police for growing weed. She trots out one incident of reporting someone who allegedly didn't pay for lights. But, there are other reports.This whole thing involved Cammie who in the past had used a couple shady ruthless tactics against competitors.
Scare tactics..... shouldn't have been surpised but I still wouldn't buy a bysen LED they don't even look that good for that 1500$ price tag.
Hi all, its been a time since I dropped by this thread and I see the post by the above member and thought id post my opinion on this LED aswell;These Bysen led lights are complete garbage anyways. I have had 2 of them for just over 2 years now and I have run through about 12 light modules and 1 power source. Bysen honored the warranty for the first few that broke (though it always took at least a month to get me a new one), and then they just stopped replacing them and answering my emails. I have even had to pay for the most of them myself. Do yourself a favor and stay away from this company. Not worth the headache. I am buying new light somewhere else. You should too.