Clawing leaves, what does this indicate about flowering/yield?

NeonTetra

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On my first grow. Hydro NFT. Going splendidly for the most part. For most of veg, I've had a lot of clawing leaves on some plants. I'm growing sativa, and have heard clawing is a bit more common. They're growing prolifically and there's no spotting or any other signs of plant stress. I'm keeping a pretty low concentration reservoir (300-400ppm) so highly doubt nitrogen toxicity. My reservoir temperature is a little high (76F), but I have lots of oxygenation and enzymes to prevent root rot (roots are glistening white, res smells like fresh sprouts). Room stays < 80F.

Could anyone clue me in as to what might be going on? More importantly, I'm curious whether a little clawing (whether from nitrogen/nutrient issues or oxygenation issues) would correlate with reduced yield.
 

Pinworm

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IDK. Some strains are really sensitive. I would try and get those res temps down at least 70F. 65-68F would be better. Colder temps allow for more dissolved oxygen to be absorbed by the roots. Claw isn't going to affect how much weight you pull off them.
 

NeonTetra

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Thanks, was definitely leaning towards res temp. Nice to know it won't necessarily impact yield, but I want things nice and healthy going in. We're getting cooler temps here with the season changing. Ambient temps in my grow room will drop to about 65 in a couple weeks so maybe I can get away without a chiller or a bucket brigade of frozen water bottles!
 

NeonTetra

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Tips are just fine, absolutely no spotting or burnt edges or any other signs of stress. The clawing doesn't progress past a certain point--basically the leaf matures in to a clawed formation and stays that way. Leaves are green and generally very healthy looking except for the claw. This is only on 2/5 plants, the other three plants look perfect.

Growing chocolope from seed, which is 90% sativa.
 

scunkworm

Active Member
Hi there,
I'm no expert but i do know that some people say the claw comes from over doing the nutes but im not to sure" reson being is that i heard someone on a different thread last night that the claw is from root damage aswell? I haven't tried to look into that yet so you may want to just to be on the safe side! With nute burn im also not sure if the claw happens first then the tips are burnt?
 

OGEvilgenius

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Claw is from excessive Nitrogen. I know you feel your ppm are low but in all honesty, growing sativas in a hydro setup is just begging to be frustrated. Some are way beyond finicky.

They are very challenging plants to grow correctly. Clawing will effect your yield. Anytime you have an imbalance or plant stress it's going to effect it (not dramatically).

Maybe it's the roots, I haven't done a straight hydro setup, but I highly doubt it. I would try to get root temp down anyway.

I have had plenty of clawing - and always with my more sativa dominant plants.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Actually the higher temps might be effecting the pH of your solution somewhat. I'd guess you'd ruled that out though.
 

NeonTetra

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Claw is from excessive Nitrogen. I know you feel your ppm are low but in all honesty, growing sativas in a hydro setup is just begging to be frustrated. Some are way beyond finicky.

They are very challenging plants to grow correctly. Clawing will effect your yield. Anytime you have an imbalance or plant stress it's going to effect it (not dramatically).

Maybe it's the roots, I haven't done a straight hydro setup, but I highly doubt it. I would try to get root temp down anyway.

I have had plenty of clawing - and always with my more sativa dominant plants.
While I'm just now entering flowering, this grow has been really breezy so far other than this little bit of clawing. Chocolope is apparently a good sativa strain for beginners, and takes well to indoor. Definitely understand the imbalance issue. Something interesting is that I have one plant that is a monster because I did no pruning or topping. It's a perfect specimen. I wonder though, if it could be out-competing the others for a particular nutrient or even oxygen.

I still am strongly doubting nitrogen toxicity. There is no nute burn anywhere, leaves are a little on the lime-green colored side if anything. Also there is zero progression of the claw once it appears. Mature leaves that have been clawed for weeks stay as they are.

I've thoroughly inspected my roots and they are pristine--not a blemish anywhere. Though, if they're a little lacking on oxygen I can imagine them looking healthy but still not being as productive as they could be. I'm leaning towards a little oxygen deprivation on this one. Also, my res temps dropped by a couple degrees since last week and new growth has shown less clawing--but we'll see how those leaves mature.

Actually the higher temps might be effecting the pH of your solution somewhat. I'd guess you'd ruled that out though.
Yeah, my pH is extremely stable. I have to top-up on nutrients before I need to adjust my pH, and my ppm drops about 15 per day.

Lots of good things to think about, thanks again for the responses.
 

OGEvilgenius

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Everything you describe sounds like nitrogen claw. Mine doesn't progress either.



That's not my picture, but I'm betting your girls look a bit like that... and if they do it's excessive nitrogen almost certainly.
 

OGEvilgenius

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The reason it doesn't progress easily is the plant as a fair amount of ability to store it, but of course that does result in some bad things happening. IE: The claw.
 

NeonTetra

Member
Nice, that's a good specimen for sure. I had a few leaves like that earlier in my grow and backed off the nutes. Also indicates that nitrogen might not be my problem (or it's not quite as bad). I've attached a photo for further inspection. Additionally, if it is a little nitrogen toxicity, having just switched to flowering I hope will alleviate it.

And anyway, I found that if I flip the tips up with my fingers they stay nice and flat. Problem solved! :cool:
 

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Sativied

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Chocolope is known to be sensitive when it comes to nutrients. Clawing can occur before it really reaches a toxicity level. It's why I recommend Chocolate Fondue instead, easier to grow but tastes similar... still claws a little though.

In the pic you just posted you have a few tips pointing down, that's not really clawing yet, but does indicate high N. Remove a leaflet or leaf and take a look/photo in daylight and it'll be easy to tell if it's too dark.
 

Twerpster

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Tips are just fine, absolutely no spotting or burnt edges or any other signs of stress. The clawing doesn't progress past a certain point--basically the leaf matures in to a clawed formation and stays that way. Leaves are green and generally very healthy looking except for the claw. This is only on 2/5 plants, the other three plants look perfect.

Growing chocolope from seed, which is 90% sativa.
Same thing with my Chocolope plant!! I've never had that happen but this is only my 6th grow and first for this strain. I'm so Happy to know that I'm Not crazy, lol. This is Year 2021 and this post is from 2014 COOL ☺
 
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