cleanin your honey oil for smooth perfection

Do you guys really think that everyone here is just guessing?

I had 5 semesters of majors level chemistry in college with two being organic. I was formally trained in all the techniques, procedures and theories behind extracting and purifying plant oils. I explained the concepts involved a few pages back.

The main concept is that there are polar and non-polar substances and that each dissolves in it's own type. Some solvents like Isopropyl dissolve both, while ones like Butane only dissolve non-polar. Water, is a polar solvent.

Butane, strips out the THC ladened oil and waxes leaving behind chlorophyll and other stuff. Once this boils off, which it does at very low temps, you have very pure oil - unless you are spilling junk into it.

If there was polar material, one could wash and re-seperate the oil from the water. But, to do this effectively, you would have to warm the oil to get it to properly interact with the water. In doing this, the stuff will get all over making a gooey mess. Just putting a chunk of hard oil in water is pointless as is flushing water over the top. If you are doing anything, it is likely that you are floating off some of the oil and / or waxes that may contain THC.

But the point is, if done well, there is nothing in a butane extraction that can benefit from a water bath. If you are seeing a benefit, you should probably invest in better extraction equipment that doesn't let garbage sneak by.

P.S. In all of my lab reports in college (where we did this stuff in a lab) we had to account for the percentage of product lost. It is a given fact that each step increases loss. Our reports would include the difference in actual vs theoretical yield and the percentage of loss from the process. This was standard for every report.

rick, i believe that you know your stuff and im not trying to be confrontational, i would just like to ask you what your opinion is on this statement?:

"The processing of cannabis into concentrate often involves multiple steps, but at minimum the manufacturer must use temperature controls and/or "wash" the cannabinoid-solvent mixture to remove solvent and other impurities.



Products containing traces of solvent cause negative health effects, and can be detected by testing, taste, and odor. The degree to which solvents are absent is a key factor in judging the quality of a cannabis extract.
The details of solvent extraction are voluminous and complex. The process usually involves heat, volatile chemicals, lab equipment, meticulous record keeping, safety vigilance, and patience." http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

thanks for your help...

and what is your opinion about the different grades of butane?... it seems that getting a more filtered butane is worthless if all the impurities will boil off at low temps? I have been getting 5X filtered instead of a cheaper less filtered butane, what do you think?

again thanks for your time.

jberry said:

rick, i believe that you know your stuff and im not trying to be confrontational, i would just like to ask you what your opinion is on this statement?:

"The processing of cannabis into concentrate often involves multiple steps, but at minimum the manufacturer must use temperature controls and/or "wash" the cannabinoid-solvent mixture to remove solvent and other impurities.



Products containing traces of solvent cause negative health effects, and can be detected by testing, taste, and odor. The degree to which solvents are absent is a key factor in judging the quality of a cannabis extract.
The details of solvent extraction are voluminous and complex. The process usually involves heat, volatile chemicals, lab equipment, meticulous record keeping, safety vigilance, and patience." http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

thanks for your help...

and what is your opinion about the different grades of butane?... it seems that getting a more filtered butane is worthless if all the impurities will boil off at low temps? I have been getting 5X filtered instead of a cheaper less filtered butane, what do you think?

again thanks for your time.

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That is the beauty of Butane extraction. Highly purified Butane is a top notch solvent that boils off at a very low temperature so you can rest assured that there is no residual Butane just from leaving it sit over night.

If you use dirty Butane, it will likely contain less volatile oils dissolved in it. It would be these oils that would be left behind and there would be no easy way of getting rid of them.

If one does an extraction with Isopropyl, they might want to let it dry and then give it a gentle boil in water to try to wash the chlorophyll from the oil. This is because the Iso will also pull out polar substances like chlorophyll.

Really, the deal is this. If you want, you can learn organic chemistry and understand how various solvents work and how to perform separations, or you can skip all that stuff and just get a good Butane extraction rig and clean Butane and not worry about it.

In the end it is all based on the concept that oil and water don't mix.

thanks for your input rick... what type of rig and butane are you using?

I have tried making the Butane Honey Oil and produced some really fine stuff. I also smoked the Honey Oil from the 1970's. BHO is nothing like the OG Honey Oil. Honey Oil was sold in small cork topped clear glass vials for $20 in Cali throughout the 70's and was pretty much gone by the mid 80's. It was fairly runny stuff at room temperature. It's viscosity was really like thick honey. BHO does not run at all. It should be called Honey GOOP... I recall the flavor and EXPANDO power of the old oil to be much more desirable than BHO. Also we smoked it in glass pipes that had a very thin bowl where you placed a drop of oil in with a pin dipped in the oil. You heated the bottom of the bowl with a lighter and touched the pin inside of it. The oil on the pin would melt down into the bowl and immediately turn into white smoke. There was almost no residue in the bowl afterwards. Just a small white spot. The oil was very easy to use on rolling papers too. This is the shit you are all missing out on. If someone out there who made this stuff in the 70's is still alive, or if anybody else knows what process was used to make this I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS SHIT!!! It really is the bomb and alot of people would totally love it. I feel like buying a billboard and put this blog on it!!! SERIOUSLY

FREEROLL said:

I have tried making the Butane Honey Oil and produced some really fine stuff. I also smoked the Honey Oil from the 1970's. BHO is nothing like the OG Honey Oil. Honey Oil was sold in small cork topped clear glass vials for $20 in Cali throughout the 70's and was pretty much gone by the mid 80's. It was fairly runny stuff at room temperature. It's viscosity was really like thick honey. BHO does not run at all. It should be called Honey GOOP... I recall the flavor and EXPANDO power of the old oil to be much more desirable than BHO. Also we smoked it in glass pipes that had a very thin bowl where you placed a drop of oil in with a pin dipped in the oil. You heated the bottom of the bowl with a


lighter and touched the pin inside of it. The oil on the pin would melt down into the bowl and immediately turn into white smoke. There was almost no residue in the bowl afterwards. Just a small white spot. The oil was very easy to use on rolling papers too. This is the shit you are all missing out on. If someone out there who made this stuff in the 70's is still alive, or if anybody else knows what process was used to make this I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS SHIT!!! It really is the bomb and alot of people would totally love it. I feel like buying a billboard and put this blog on it!!! SERIOUSLY

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just add iso 99% nd cook it
if u want it to be runny

or
you can use ce cold iso 99% or pure hexane hav shake in a coffee filter run it thro dont let it sit and just run it thro so its not green but golden



have shake

FREEROLL said:

I have tried making the Butane Honey Oil and produced some really fine stuff. I also smoked the Honey Oil from the 1970's. BHO is nothing like the OG Honey Oil. Honey Oil was sold in small cork topped clear glass vials for $20 in Cali throughout the 70's and was pretty much gone by the mid 80's. It was fairly runny stuff at room temperature. It's viscosity was really like thick honey. BHO does not run at all. It should be called Honey GOOP... I recall the flavor and EXPANDO power of the old oil to be much more desirable than BHO. Also we smoked it in glass pipes that had a very thin bowl where you placed a drop of oil in with a pin dipped in the oil. You heated the bottom of the bowl with a lighter and touched the pin inside of it. The oil on the pin would melt down into the bowl and immediately turn into white smoke. There was almost no residue in the bowl afterwards. Just a small white spot. The oil was very easy to use on rolling papers too. This is the shit you are all missing out on. If someone out there who made this stuff in the 70's is still alive, or if anybody else knows what process was used to make this I NEED TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE THIS SHIT!!! It really is the bomb and alot of people would totally love it. I feel like buying a billboard and put this blog on it!!! SERIOUSLY

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I have seen that runny oil. I'm not sure what the difference is but I would imagine it ha something to do with the presence or absence of other substances such as waxes that alter the consistency.

If you want to do an old school extraction you will need some lab equipment and need to know the proper safety procedures. Without this, you run the risk of death or serious injury.

An old school extraction would involve refluxing bud in a reflux apparatus using ether for about an hour. Then you filter out your plant material and distill of your ether until you are dealing with a small quantity. Then, under a hood you would gently boil off the remaining ether.

Ether is outrageously flammable so you really have to know what you are doing.

Another method is simply to put bud in Isopropyl in a jar, shake it and pour it into a tray. The colder the whole thing is the more pure your oil will be but the hotter it is the better the iso will strip out the oils. Colder gives honey oil - warmer gives green oil.

Personally, I don't know why you would want to go back wards. The solid BHO is more pure and easier to handle and smoke, plus far easier to make.

Here is a good link

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31950

I'm going to share some information basically on how I make my own oil. I have a tempered glass extractor tube, as well as a tempered glass bowl for catching the extraction. I use 4X or 5X refined butane, generally Vector or Colibri. I use the tempered glass so I can stick the bowl in near boiling water after the temperature of the glass has leveled off to purge the rest of the butane from the oil. You can also put the Pyrex bowl in a hot oil bath of 225 degrees for even faster purging of the butane since the oil won't boil at that temperature.

Now, the biggest difference I have seen with my method and others' is an extra step that I take that was shown to me from an old school medical grower that makes BHO for cancer patients. I pulverize my trim and bud with a food processor and then bake it at 200 degrees for about 30 minutes while stirring the plant material. This will get rid of the terpenoids, decarboxylate the THC acid, and make the THC psychoactive. Once that process is finished I just extract as usual. I make it psychoactive for those who don't want to smoke it and want to place a dab under the tongue.

I have never seen a need to wash away anything with water. Has anyone ever stopped to think about the different chemicals they are inhaling once butane has combusted while smoking a bowl? I've never seen washing the oil with water as a necessity. I do make sure that when I am done purging out the butane I place the oil in it's storage container before it thickens up. You can toss the extractor bowl in the freezer to get the rest that didn't drip out once it freezes and later place it in the container. It should come right off and crack to pieces when pressure is applied to it. Keep in the fridge to keep it gelled up and thick.

Thanks MB and RW...

Hopefully someone can help me out. I'm just did a run with the rest of the butane I have, and won't have access to any more for a few weeks. I have a decent amount of bho, but there is still quite a bit of thc on the buds. What can I do with these buds? Would it be OK to make some butter or "budder" with it? I was thinking about dry sieving it, but if there is any butane left, I'd rather try to "cook" it out, since butane evaporates/boils at a really low temp. Anyone have any opinions...or experience working with bho'd weed? I know there is still thc, I looked under a microscope!!! What should I do?

robb1 said:

Hopefully someone can help me out. I'm just did a run with the rest of the butane I have, and won't have access to any more for a few weeks. I have a decent amount of bho, but there is still quite a bit of thc on the buds. What can I do with these buds? Would it be OK to make some butter or "budder" with it? I was thinking about dry sieving it, but if there is any butane left, I'd rather try to "cook" it out, since butane evaporates/boils at a really low temp. Anyone have any opinions...or experience working with bho'd weed? I know there is still thc, I looked under a microscope!!! What should I do?

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i think, ...

once it gets hit with butane it all gets glazed over with a thin layer of hardened oil. unless you use enough butane to get it all. once it has become glazed like this i think it is hard to remove, even using more butane. i have sprayed fresh butane over hardened oil and it doesn't always soften back up, unless smashed.

maybe try cooking with it. a slow simmer may help.

fdd2blk said:

i think, ...

once it gets hit with butane it all gets glazed over with a thin layer of hardened oil. unless you use enough butane to get it all. once it has become glazed like this i think it is hard to remove, even using more butane. i have sprayed fresh butane over hardened oil and it doesn't always soften back up, unless smashed.

maybe try cooking with it. a slow simmer may help.

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Thanks for your help. I'm glad we're on the same page. I didn't realize it, but your right! my buds are glazed with oil. Would you agree that cooking with it should "cook" away any butane impurities? The butane that I used has the "ZERO IMPURITIES" label. I'd hate to make a batch of budder that has any sort of butane/impurities in it.

robb1 said:

Thanks for your help. I'm glad we're on the same page. I didn't realize it, but your right! my buds are glazed with oil. Would you agree that cooking with it should "cook" away any butane impurities? The butane that I used has the "ZERO IMPURITIES" label. I'd hate to make a batch of budder that has any sort of butane/impurities in it.

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butane evaporates pretty fast. it should be fine.

If you want to cook with oil, just use the strongest booze you can find to extract - Ever Clear or some 151.

Put your weed and ethanol in a suitable jar in the microwave and bring to a light boil - lid off of course. Then evaporate off most of the ethanol. What you have left can be mixed into any oil bases stuff you use to cook with such as butter, vegetable oil, etc. When you cook, the heat will drive off any remaining ethanol and you will be assured a 100% toxin free product.

For larger projects, it might me good to buy a distillation setup from ebay so you can reclaim your ethanol.

Ethyl mercapetin (sp?) Ive read is what contaminates bho and makes it unsuitable for smoking. Eating it could be different I guess because your not changing the compound by combustion. I still make it because its potent and easy to make yet dangerous. I really dont like that. But if I were making full melt ice hash or dry sift I wouldn't touch the stuff period.