Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 42 28.8%

  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 35 24.0%

  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 69 47.3%
  • Total voters
    146
Three Berries

Three Berries

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injinji said:
The biggest impact of climate change in the middle of the country is the flooding events. Storms have more rain in them due to higher temps. But they are also moving slower due to the steering currents slowing down. Tropical storms almost always kill more folks with flooding up the country than they do at the coast. The recent flooding in the Northeast is a good example of this.
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Don't forget all the Climate Modification that goes on. They can make it rain in Qatar.

Fozzy

earth-chronicles.com
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Three Berries said:
Trump did not get rid of any coal plant regs. They are still under Obama's 2008 regs. They are closing a huge one in southern Illinois, one of the cleanest in the country and they have spent millions making it so. But nothing to replace it with but unreliable wind and solar. The last wind farm they put in by me they could hardly get the farmers to sell the right of way for the transmission lines. And with their subsidized production credit KWHs they make the nuclear too expensive so then the State has to pass legislation to subside them too.

And yes Natural Gas is cheaper and cleaner by far. But it's a fossil fuel and they want to eliminate that. My state just passed legislation to close all coal and be fossil free by 2050. Pie in the sky is what it is. Windmills and solar panels aren't going to do the job. Maybe we get to see some of Mr. Nikola Tesla's ideas brought back. Otherwise I'll be paying double for poorer service.
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Yeah you might be paying more, but you will help save the planet for the next generation. I know though that doing anything good just burns your ass like battery acid.
 
Three Berries

Three Berries

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Yeah you might be paying more, but you will help save the planet for the next generation. I know though that doing anything good just burns your ass like battery acid.
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Save it from what? They have been saying the planet is doomed for the last 60 years! It has only improved around me.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Three Berries said:
Trump did not get rid of any coal plant regs. They are still under Obama's 2008 regs. They are closing a huge one in southern Illinois, one of the cleanest in the country and they have spent millions making it so. But nothing to replace it with but unreliable wind and solar. The last wind farm they put in by me they could hardly get the farmers to sell the right of way for the transmission lines. And with their subsidized production credit KWHs they make the nuclear too expensive so then the State has to pass legislation to subside them too.

And yes Natural Gas is cheaper and cleaner by far. But it's a fossil fuel and they want to eliminate that. My state just passed legislation to close all coal and be fossil free by 2050. Pie in the sky is what it is. Windmills and solar panels aren't going to do the job. Maybe we get to see some of Mr. Nikola Tesla's ideas brought back. Otherwise I'll be paying double for poorer service.
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"cleanest (coal) plant in the nation" is a nonsense statement.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Three Berries said:
Don't forget all the Climate Modification that goes on. They can make it rain in Qatar.

Fozzy

earth-chronicles.com
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So climate change is a hoax, you were saying the same thing about covid, until bitch slapped in the face by reality. You are saying the same thing about vaccines and masks too, in spite of repeated bitch slapping's by reality now.

Our culture's at onetime in human history, were the programming that ran on the meat in our heads, it had serious survival benefits, better than walking around as a blank slate, with no language or skills like how to make weapons and fire! We lived like this for far longer than we lived in civilization (the world is really more than 6000 years old), so it's worth defending your culture with your life and even killing for it. Evolution gave us these propensities to help us survive against other communities of humans. We can objectify the "other" and not attribute conditions and causes as we would do to a friend, this mechanism allows us to suppress empathy so we can kill other people, while defending our communities and by extension cultures.

Now all this shit was evolved to deal with a world that existed 100,000 years ago and these mental propensities drive a lot of our current behavior. The culture wars are important to republicans and are a hot button issue, fueling tribalism and hatred. You see, they don't want to form a sharing community with the "other", they've gone tribal, it has serious consequences for many of the weak minded. They now believe conspiracy theories that are killing them en masse and almost only them. They painted themselves into a corner with no way out, except sickness and death, all while reifying their disinformation among themselves, fueled by the for profit disinformation system, that plays them for suckers, as do their politicians. They ignore news and media that uses professional standards and practices and instead swim through a sea of honest information to their turd of disinformation of choice and hork the floater down. It's not just American news either it's all the news, including international news. News serves the user, propaganda serves those who create it.

Notice I used "they" to differentiate "them" from me? I did this deliberately in the second paragraph. Did it change the "tone" of the message?

Isn't it time you gave up the civil war you've been fighting, war is Hell and this one is already lost, take off the grey uniform and go home son...
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
So climate change is a hoax, you were saying the same thing about covid, until bitch slapped in the face by reality. You are saying the same thing about vaccines and masks too, in spite of repeated bitch slapping's by reality now.

Our culture's at onetime in human history, were the programming that ran on the meat in our heads, it had serious survival benefits, better than walking around as a blank slate, with no language or skills like how to make weapons and fire! We lived like this for far longer than we lived in civilization (the world is really more than 6000 years old), so it worth defending your culture with your life and even killing for it. Evolution gave us these propensities to help us survive against other communities of humans. We can objectify the "other" and not attribute conditions and causes as we would do a friend, this mechanism allows us to suppress empathy so we can kill other people, while defending our communities and by extension cultures.

Now all this shit was evolved to deal with a world that existed 100,000 year ago and these mental propensities drive a lot of our current behavior. The culture wars are important to republicans and are a hot button issue fueling tribalism and hatred. You see, they don't want to form a sharing community with the "other", they've gone tribal, it has serious consequences for many of the weak minded, they now believe conspiracy theories that are killing them en masse and almost only them. They painted themselves into a corner with no way out except sickness and death, all while reifying their disinformation among themselves, fueled by the for profit disinformation system that plays them for suckers, as do their politicians. They ignore news and media that uses professional standards and practices and instead swim through a sea of honest information to their turd of disinformation of choice and hork the floater down. It's not just American news either it's all the news, including international news. News serves the user, propaganda serves those who create it.

Notice I used "they" to differentiate "them" from me? I did this deliberately in the second paragraph. Did it change the "tone" of the message?

Isn't it time you gave up the civil war you've been fighting, war is Hell and this one is already lost, take off the grey uniform and go home son...
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Nice rebuttal. They keep saying the same lies and answering long form takes more time and energy than its worth. think I'll refer to this with the number "3"
Three Berries said:
Don't forget all the Climate Modification that goes on. They can make it rain in Qatar.

Fozzy

earth-chronicles.com
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
Nice rebuttal. They keep saying the same lies and answering long form takes more time and energy than its worth. think I'll refer to this with the number "3"

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My response was probably lost on him, but others here will read it and understand what is happening to their society with greater clarity. I'm up to 2 hours of practice a day now and it's starting to show ;), I felt bad about the nasty cuts, sprinkled in here and there. :D If I thought I was dealing with a heart and an honorable person, I would have made more effort to get on the "inside"...
 
printer

printer

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Three Berries said:
Save it from what? They have been saying the planet is doomed for the last 60 years! It has only improved around me.
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Really? It has been getting worse from my vantage point. I took a picture of the creek by my place15 years ago, there was open water in February. It has not had open water since I can remember. since then we have the odd month in winter where it does not open up. We used to walk on it and no one would chance it now.

Our biggest lake is filled with algae. Swam in it as a kid, now we have algae alerts. Forget going in with bare feet, Zebra mussels will cut you open. Fishing? Nothing like it was 40-50 years ago. And that is just locally. Song birds are not as abundant as they used to be. We do have a longer growing season and large scale farmers are growing corn when they wouldn't befor. Then there is Dutch Elm Disease. We were one of the most treed cities in North America. Go down any street and you will see a dot or two indicating which trees have to be cut down to reduce the spread.

Far away, the Great Barrier Reef, the cod fishery, salmon, use harvesting baby tuna. And the list goes on. Better? Keep smoking there buddy.
 
topcat

topcat

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Three Berries said:
Trump did not get rid of any coal plant regs. They are still under Obama's 2008 regs. They are closing a huge one in southern Illinois, one of the cleanest in the country and they have spent millions making it so. But nothing to replace it with but unreliable wind and solar. The last wind farm they put in by me they could hardly get the farmers to sell the right of way for the transmission lines. And with their subsidized production credit KWHs they make the nuclear too expensive so then the State has to pass legislation to subside them too.

And yes Natural Gas is cheaper and cleaner by far. But it's a fossil fuel and they want to eliminate that. My state just passed legislation to close all coal and be fossil free by 2050. Pie in the sky is what it is. Windmills and solar panels aren't going to do the job. Maybe we get to see some of Mr. Nikola Tesla's ideas brought back. Otherwise I'll be paying double for poorer service.
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Sorry for the lost jobs cleaning coal in southern Illinois. Alternatively, solar panel installers is the hottest new job opportunity.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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printer said:
Really? It has been getting worse from my vantage point. I took a picture of the creek by my place15 years ago, there was open water in February. It has not had open water since I can remember. since then we have the odd month in winter where it does not open up. We used to walk on it and no one would chance it now.

Our biggest lake is filled with algae. Swam in it as a kid, now we have algae alerts. Forget going in with bare feet, Zebra mussels will cut you open. Fishing? Nothing like it was 40-50 years ago. And that is just locally. Song birds are not as abundant as they used to be. We do have a longer growing season and large scale farmers are growing corn when they wouldn't befor. Then there is Dutch Elm Disease. We were one of the most treed cities in North America. Go down any street and you will see a dot or two indicating which trees have to be cut down to reduce the spread.

Far away, the Great Barrier Reef, the cod fishery, salmon, use harvesting baby tuna. And the list goes on. Better? Keep smoking there buddy.
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The town in Michigan that I was born in the 1950's had large elms lining all the streets everywhere. I remember them starting to cut them down in the 60's, I don't think it took that long for them all to come down.
 
printer

printer

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captainmorgan said:
The town in Michigan that I was born in the 1950's had large elms lining all the streets everywhere. I remember them starting to cut them down in the 60's, I don't think it took that long for them all to come down.
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We had 275,000 elm trees, now we are down to 230,000. They are giving the trees with it injections when they can and how much money is available. Expensive and has to be done every couple of years from what I have read. They are already planting other species to survive the Elms, but most were planted 50-100 years ago and few are as majestic as the elms. With our growing season we do not get a lot of large trees here.
 
injinji

injinji

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printer said:
We had 275,000 elm trees, now we are down to 230,000. They are giving the trees with it injections when they can and how much money is available. Expensive and has to be done every couple of years from what I have read. They are already planting other species to survive the Elms, but most were planted 50-100 years ago and few are as majestic as the elms. With our growing season we do not get a lot of large trees here.
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Same thing with the Ash in the UK.
 
injinji

injinji

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Another factor in climate change is the timing between bird migrations and insect hatch offs. As it warms up the insects are hatching sooner, but the birds are still coming at the old time. So there is nothing to eat the bugs when they hatch, then there is nothing for the birds to eat when they arrive. Time will tell if they work it out or not.
 
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