Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 41 28.5%

  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 35 24.3%

  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 68 47.2%
  • Total voters
    144
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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doublejj said:
I bought a PriusV hybrid for $15k and only spent $80 for gasoline in 2022. unlimited range no plug necessary. A new battery (after market rebuilt) for my Prius when or if it's eventually needed is $2500 installed. Many Prius owners report 300,000 miles on a battery. Most people don't keep a car for 300,000 miles. Hybrids are a good way to reduce our fuel dependence and transition over to electric cars until battery tech and infrastructure evolve.
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i drove a previous employers prius from time to time, they're actually pretty torquey, and quick on the take off. If they would put slightly larger tires on them, they would be fairly sporty around town.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
The range is a bit short, but the average American commute is just 50 miles, so 100 miles should serve the needs of most people in that market segment. Its big advantage is it can be powered from a small solar setup with a small battery bank, or just charged from any 120V outlet to full overnight. Handles freeways and keeps the weather out, but a subcompact can do the same thing for a bit more battery. Its most attractive feature is the price, at $15K before government subsidies, it should come in under $10K USD. A going to work in the city from the burbs car, also a good second car and beats the bus. I still think a subcompact hatch back is more practical and would top up enough range overnight from 120V, but it would cost more than this.


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it chews down 1.8 kWh to do what the Aptera does with 1.0, and seats half the number? Include me out.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
it chews down 1.8 kWh to do what the Aptera does with 1.0, and seats half the number? Include me out.
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It's not the most efficient, or practical for more than a single person, but there is the price and with rebates it will be low and the range is good enough for most. I think there will be cheaper EVs along soon to serve this market segment in the subcompact style. I dunno if this thing uses sodium batteries but when batteries get cheap so will EVs.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
It's not the most efficient, or practical for more than a single person, but there is the price and with rebates it will be low and the range is good enough for most. I think there will be cheaper EVs along soon to serve this market segment in the subcompact style. I dunno if this thing uses sodium batteries but when batteries get cheap so will EVs.
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the Aptera sets the standard imo.
10 miles/kWh
600 miles from a 60 battery, with 100 an option
25 miles a day refresh from onboard solar

The Electromasturbata gets exactly 0 solar refresh
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
the Aptera sets the standard imo.
10 miles/kWh
600 miles from a 60 battery, with 100 an option
25 miles a day refresh from onboard solar

The Electromasturbata gets exactly 0 solar refresh
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Not much regenerative braking either, but it's cheap. These are early days, wait a few years for the batteries and efficient technologies to be ubiquitous as the prices drop. I don't think they will duplicate the model T phenomena, the right small EV at the right time will sell well, but competition will equal it for that market segment in a year. As I said there is plenty of room for a cheap subcompact EV that can be a commuter car and plug in overnight without rewiring your house.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Not much regenerative braking either, but it's cheap. These are early days, wait a few years for the batteries and efficient technologies to be ubiquitous as the prices drop. I don't think they will duplicate the model T phenomena, the right small EV at the right time will sell well, but competition will equal it for that market segment in a year. As I said there is plenty of room for a cheap subcompact EV that can be a commuter car and plug in overnight without rewiring your house.
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I don’t think Aptera bothers with regenerative braking either.
The right small EV will seat two, be full-width and have at least 60 kWh.
And onboard solar. It’s gotta work for the guy who rents a 2-bdrm on floor 5 of 7 and parks on the street.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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doublejj said:
I bought a PriusV hybrid for $15k and only spent $80 for gasoline in 2022. unlimited range no plug necessary. A new battery (after market rebuilt) for my Prius when or if it's eventually needed is $2500 installed. Many Prius owners report 300,000 miles on a battery. Most people don't keep a car for 300,000 miles. Hybrids are a good way to reduce our fuel dependence and transition over to electric cars until battery tech and infrastructure evolve.
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If yer looking for a used cheap EV with a shot battery, then check out the aftermarket these days, companies are starting up and aftermarket rebuilt battery pack options are expanding as prices for cells drop. I imagine people are buying old EVs and hybrids, renewing the battery packs with even better cells than the original and selling the car after other mechanical work is done if required.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I don’t think Aptera bothers with regenerative braking either.
The right small EV will seat two, be full-width and have at least 60 kWh.
And onboard solar. It’s gotta work for the guy who rents a 2-bdrm on floor 5 of 7 and parks on the street.
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I would think in CA they would require recharging options for apartment dwellers, even a parking meter like receptacle on the street that uses a card. When I lived in Winnipeg, we had block heater plugins for outdoor parking at my apartment and at work and they could deliver 1200 watts, but were only on for a few months in winter.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I would think in CA they would require recharging options for apartment dwellers, even a parking meter like receptacle on the street that uses a card. When I lived in Winnipeg, we had block heater plugins for outdoor parking at my apartment and at work and they could deliver 1200 watts, but were only on for a few months in winter.
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I would not conflate Cali (which is what people think when one says California) with the 80% of the state’s area that is Fornia, which is a lot like Utah but without the polygamy. Lotta Republicans sent to Congress from Fornia. So a long extension cord won’t fly, and local charging? Bitter laugh.

Build for us, not some composite customer.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
I don’t think Aptera bothers with regenerative braking either.
The right small EV will seat two, be full-width and have at least 60 kWh.
And onboard solar. It’s gotta work for the guy who rents a 2-bdrm on floor 5 of 7 and parks on the street.
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The video said regenerative braking can recover up to 80% of the energy in stop and go traffic. Brake pads would last the lifetime of the car and there would be less brake shoe dust in the environment, the rubber dust from the tires is enough.

How many watts do you think a sub-compact EV will generate with just 2 or 3 sq meters of solar surface area?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
DIY-HP-LED said:
The video said regenerative braking can recover up to 80% of the energy in stop and go traffic. Brake pads would last the lifetime of the car and there would be less brake shoe dust in the environment, the rubber dust from the tires is enough.

How many watts do you think a sub-compact EV will generate with just 2 or 3 sq meters of solar surface area?
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In reality regenerative gets back 25% cumulative on a good day. Zero in steady-state freeway travel.

About 300 watts, which is why 100 Wh/mile is so important. Tesla doesn’t provide.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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When I was young and dumb, I took a perfectly good Honda CRX, 36 mpg mixed cycle, and replaced the 13” steel wheels with zippy alloy 15s shod with 50-profile sport rubber. It looked sexy but: Bam, 28 mpg same laid-back driving routine. Off came the stripper shoes and into the classifieds they went.

I look at what modern vehicles come with standard and think sour things. Those skinny Prius hooves are economy gold.
 
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Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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doublejj said:
I bought a PriusV hybrid for $15k and only spent $80 for gasoline in 2022. unlimited range no plug necessary. A new battery (after market rebuilt) for my Prius when or if it's eventually needed is $2500 installed. Many Prius owners report 300,000 miles on a battery. Most people don't keep a car for 300,000 miles. Hybrids are a good way to reduce our fuel dependence and transition over to electric cars until battery tech and infrastructure evolve.
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$1600 two weeks ago, as advertised.
https://greenbeanbattery.com/green-bean-battery-service-area/
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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DIY-HP-LED said:
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Oregon halts electric vehicle rebates due to high demand

Oregon will temporarily suspend rebates for buying or leasing an electric vehicle for a year starting in May because too many people are applying and the program is running out of money, The Oregonian/OregonLive reported Thursday. A growing number of...
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Oregon halts electric vehicle rebates due to high demand
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I take that as a positive, demand being so strong, the faster it doesn't need to be subsidized the better.
 
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