Clone Conspiracy in California??!!

Hello Everyone!

I have tried growing clones from the clubs on a multitude of occasions. almost every time I see the same harvest. little to no resin production on the buds, small amounts of trichomes, and a heavy vegetable aroma. One time an OG kush clone actually produced stinky sticky nugs. This was only one clone out of at least 5 tries all the way to the end. Everytime I let the clones mature to the point where the majority of trichomes are amber, I then hang and dry in closet to the point where it still slightly moist 6-7days, I stick the nugs in jars, and burp for another week or so.

Recently a batch of seeds was started , and i could smell even the vegetative state from far away. the difference was astounding from seeds to clones.

I am left with this conclusion, some clones that are given to some clubs are taken from the weakest phenotype of a type. i.e. clone is ak-47 but it was the genetic runt of the breeder. my reasoning is that if they gave the best phenotypes everyone could grow the best bud, and that would deteriorate the market for said gentic type, because everyone could grow it at home for 10-15$ a pop.

I am very curious as to why purchased clones almost never produced quality, while seeds produced a far more pungent aroma even from the vegetative phase.

please help.

mrblixa said:

Hello Everyone!

I have tried growing clones from the clubs on a multitude of occasions. almost every time I see the same harvest. little to no resin production on the buds, small amounts of trichomes, and a heavy vegetable aroma. One time an OG kush clone actually produced stinky sticky nugs. This was only one clone out of at least 5 tries all the way to the end. Everytime I let the clones mature to the point where the majority of trichomes are amber, I then hang and dry in closet to the point where it still slightly moist 6-7days, I stick the nugs in jars, and burp for another week or so.


Recently a batch of seeds was started , and i could smell even the vegetative state from far away. the difference was astounding from seeds to clones.

I am left with this conclusion, some clones that are given to some clubs are taken from the weakest phenotype of a type. i.e. clone is ak-47 but it was the genetic runt of the breeder. my reasoning is that if they gave the best phenotypes everyone could grow the best bud, and that would deteriorate the market for said gentic type, because everyone could grow it at home for 10-15$ a pop.

I am very curious as to why purchased clones almost never produced quality, while seeds produced a far more pungent aroma even from the vegetative phase.

please help.

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where did u buy your clones? :a man i know: got some in the clubs in sanfran and they all look like unique clones but they did look a lil week. on the other hand what do u expect for 10$. i say your best solution is to get your family to go on vacation to amsterdam, go to a good fancy seed bank, buy some expensive seeds (100$ for 10 is average) and then stick em some where safe. and bring em back here and start your own quality cloans, then sell your strong ones to the clubs but dont expect to get paid much for clones, u will almost feel ripped off, so then you get angry and only sell the weakest ones off your plant for the same price as a healthy one. ive never done this, but heard bout it happening.

and why i say expensive, the person i know got cheap seeds and expensive seeds, the expensive ones worked well and a growing strong, the stupid cheap seeds never even germinated and they can even break in your hand.

I agree with you. However my family isnt going to Amsterdam with me. Ill spend it all day in Barneys enjoying a nice smoke and a Looza! instead of spending all day in line at Anne Frank house.

Clones were from the SFV. The clone that was tasty came from sunset blvd... Its all about the genetics, i just couldnt really believe that the clubs were selling such grossly inferior genetics , as to be getting a better high from mexican dirt schwagg!!

just go to a reputable club. Sunset blvd has to be overpriced on adverage.

I get killer clones from the clubs that produce dank nugs.

Unless the clone comes from verified genetics. (I see it taken from a mother that has proven itself worthy) I am cool off that 2 month train in vain. Seeds have a better chance at a quality pheno...

hey... the ann frank house isnt that bad when your completely stoned out of your mind and the people are actually more slim then americans, i seriously would hook up with any girl in mcdonalds in amsterdamn, but take me to a sizzler in america im goina be a lil more picky. hollands nice, and no one really goes to see the ann frank house anyway.

There is a certain degeneration that only occurs when clones are from a "generation clone". No clues detectable until S2, where plant development appears poor with poor rooting and the usual associated symptoms of poor rooting during S2. It's possible someone is passing off clones that are too far removed from the original seedling. Symptoms appear after the 2nd clone generation has been cloned. This clone performs normally in a S1 environment but when introduced to S2, it becomes sickly.. Not saying it happened here, but it's worth mentioning.

Another scenario is less likely but worth mentioning also. Clones taken from a young immature seedling are fickle creatures and can often yeild poorly with under-developed rooting.

all the clones i have ever gotten from the club did well for me under the 1000w hps i had at the time. varieties to date are, master kush, shiskaberry, trainwreck, romulan, and jack herer. all turned out nicely for me.

I am very interested in what Jefferson said. The fact that a degeneration occurs seems the most like the symptoms I was expressing. I am going to have to learn about "Generation Clones" and S1 to S2. Thank you.

Dragonbladev, thats a really good idea take a 5k $ vacation for 100$ seeds. during this economic climate that definitely seems like the most practical (Doy!)

Sir Smoka - BubbleBerry under 1000 watt MH for veg and HPS for flower with Co2 in a hydrofarm system - Crappola! Original Haze under same light and system - Crappola, Grape Ape under a 250 w HPS Crappola, Cheese under 600 w HPS with FF OF LW mix - CRAPPOLA . Purple bubba under same system crappola.

G-13/Hash from California Bean Bank (seed) 7wks still in veg - 100 % different, Not Crappola! pungent aroma and giant leaves...

Mr. Jefferson, I am planning on going back to the club where these clones came from and making the manager smoke these pretend a nugs. However I want to know what I am talking about, when it comes to degeneration of the clones. Can you point me in the right direction for some more info? As a medicinal patient spending that much time making the necessary medicine that in the end is unsatisfactory is quite dissapointing.. Thank you bud.

im enjoying this thread...

ya it was an 8k investment, but think bout it this way, what is the biggest cash crop in america? how much weed can u get off of one plant? about 3k$ worth if u know what your doing?

im fucking covered if i get 3 plants to grow and all the rest is profit, ya im the dunce...
and id highly recommend buying more than 100$ worth of seeds, that would get u ten "real seeds" but not the best or most exotic. id shoot to spend more around 300$ for 20 seeds, so u can cover your fuck ups like germinating them and then planting em in the middle of winter, or a lamp falls too close to the seeds and cooks them in the dirt.

and dont throw that economy excuse in my face, u can get a freaking round trip ticket from half way cross the world for 250$ right now, i paid 4 times that. and now have to deal with conservative stoners that dont want to blow their investments on dope! nows the time to start a buisness, get things rolling, and im not just talking weed. i started shit in a high economy and am trying to sell to a low, its much better to start in a low economy and sell to a high economy, and again im not talking about just selling weed, im talking about the economy because u brought it up...

Dragonbladecv, No hard feelings.

but this is gonna feel like a mastercard commercial.

500 Round trip to AMS from LAX (give or take 100)

now where are we going to stay? at a hostel? no, we are going to stay at the NH, because you dont have to share a bathroom. 1200 for a week.

now we are going to eat or no?

well we can have toasties at the hemp hotel once a day for like 10 bux

and i want breakfast at cafe bowman at least once
and dinner at cafe sluizer

the other times i can eat at vending machine store, where you open the little doors for food. other than that I will eat at the Gebakstraam.

so we are still upwards of 2000$ and we havent even taken a cab, bought other necessities or done anything. and if someone else is going thats 4000$

So Dragon, instead of that I can go online and get beans from amsterdam.

ALL THAT FOR 200$ WORTH OF BEANS. PRICELESS

P.S. I am not running a business , trying to start a business or do anything that makes profit off my medicine. Im sick of paying 50-60$ an eighth to a bunch hoodlums that want to run a pot club solely because its profitable.

1. you cant justify spending thousands on a vacation only to pick up a few beans. If we were talking about supplying a club, and making your lifes wages on it, then maybe it would seem more justifiable.
2. Buy low sell high. Totally new Concept! Im gonna have to twitter rick sanchez at CNN , hes gonna have to know about that!
3. So since you know what you are doing you get 3k$ of each plant, so you get 9k worth off 3 plants which meant your 8k dollar vacation only recouped 1k dollars. how much was your nutrients, lights, power bill, and time... Id rather grow cilantro and sell it with that formula....
4. The economy is failing whether it affects you or not. There are people living in Tent Cities in Sacramento and foreclosures occurring in my neighborhood.

dragonbladev said:

im enjoying this thread...

ya it was an 8k investment, but think bout it this way, what is the biggest cash crop in america? how much weed can u get off of one plant? about 3k$ worth if u know what your doing?

im fucking covered if i get 3 plants to grow and all the rest is profit, ya im the dunce...
and id highly recommend buying more than 100$ worth of seeds, that would get u ten "real seeds" but not the best or most exotic. id shoot to spend more around 300$ for 20 seeds, so u can cover your fuck ups like germinating them and then planting em in the middle of winter, or a lamp falls too close to the seeds and cooks them in the dirt.

and dont throw that economy excuse in my face, u can get a freaking round trip ticket from half way cross the world for 250$ right now, i paid 4 times that. and now have to deal with conservative stoners that dont want to blow their investments on dope! nows the time to start a buisness, get things rolling, and im not just talking weed. i started shit in a high economy and am trying to sell to a low, its much better to start in a low economy and sell to a high economy, and again im not talking about just selling weed, im talking about the economy because u brought it up...

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mrblixa said:

Hello Everyone!

I have tried growing clones from the clubs on a multitude of occasions. almost every time I see the same harvest. little to no resin production on the buds, small amounts of trichomes, and a heavy vegetable aroma. One time an OG kush clone actually produced stinky sticky nugs. This was only one clone out of at least 5 tries all the way to the end. Everytime I let the clones mature to the point where the majority of trichomes are amber, I then hang and dry in closet to the point where it still slightly moist 6-7days, I stick the nugs in jars, and burp for another week or so.

Recently a batch of seeds was started , and i could smell even the vegetative state from far away. the difference was astounding from seeds to clones.

I am left with this conclusion, some clones that are given to some clubs are taken from the weakest phenotype of a type. i.e. clone is ak-47 but it was the genetic runt of the breeder. my reasoning is that if they gave the best phenotypes everyone could grow the best bud, and that would deteriorate the market for said gentic type, because everyone could grow it at home for 10-15$ a pop.

I am very curious as to why purchased clones almost never produced quality, while seeds produced a far more pungent aroma even from the vegetative phase.

please help.

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wow you got burnt thats what, sorry. i bought a big bud/ skunk clone from my shop over 15 months ago. she is growen and all smoked up now, but i still have that strain going 2day, cut clones from clone with
the same big ass buds and yields as the first clone. this is what i do. if i like the yield and she puts off big buds then thats the strain im running with.

I went to the Club where I got it and showed them the grown bud. I told them to smoke it, and they wouldnt! LOL. they said the would talk to the grower.. THey also said that all there other clones were fine (HA HA) They told me to buy some more clones, I said no more clones from them ever again. I have had such horrible luck. I will only grow from a seed and take a clone from that Like you were saying "mygirls"

mrblixa said:

I went to the Club where I got it and showed them the grown bud. I told them to smoke it, and they wouldnt! LOL. they said the would talk to the grower.. THey also said that all there other clones were fine (HA HA) They told me to buy some more clones, I said no more clones from them ever again. I have had such horrible luck. I will only grow from a seed and take a clone from that Like you were saying "mygirls"

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my shop has good clones if they would kill the mites.thats why i clone myself anymore.

There is a man in my area who offers DNA sampling of mar. plants. He has 13 types in his database so far, and he offers sexing. He can do this apparently by sending him a leaf. Someone, should start a testing service that goes to clubs and tests the clones against this database to see if the DNA is analogous. This would force the clubs to have accountability, no longer could they just buy clones willy nilly, there would be competition for the best genetics. Competition is good for business.

The more I read the more confused I become. Is there a degeneration of quality ever when taking a clone from a clone. If you took a clone from a clone from a clone a million times would clone 1million be any different than the original female mother grown from a seed. If not, are the growers who are supplying the clubs intentionally selecting a crappy phenotype and cloning it and than selling it to the dispensary?

I get some pretty good clones from a co-op out here in Cali. They produce fairly well. But from the research I have done, seed is going to be better every time. They give more of everything. I think what happens is you get a clone of a clone of clone which will naturally weaken the strain. Hope this helps. Hit me up if you would like the info of where I get my clones.

ThomJefferson said:

There is a certain degeneration that only occurs when clones are from a "generation clone". No clues detectable until S2, where plant development appears poor with poor rooting and the usual associated symptoms of poor rooting during S2. It's possible someone is passing off clones that are too far removed from the original seedling. Symptoms appear after the 2nd clone generation has been cloned. This clone performs normally in a S1 environment but when introduced to S2, it becomes sickly.. Not saying it happened here, but it's worth mentioning.

Another scenario is less likely but worth mentioning also. Clones taken from a young immature seedling are fickle creatures and can often yeild poorly with under-developed rooting.

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I have to politely disagree. I have clones that are 6 generations from seed (about to be seven) and the plants grow exactly as the first set did more than a year ago.
And last i checked Uncle al b fuct had some sweettooth going for more than 2 years without degeneration.
What about clone only strains? most people that have these have clones of clones of clones of clones. Certainly i've never heard of any decline in the quality of UK cheese or trainwreck etc.
Perhaps you could back this up with some evidence?

i always go to lots of different clubs to get clones,ill even buy the same clones from different clubs,craigslist and bayareacannabis.org.im always hunting for the perfect strains.a certain club will reject 90% of clones from sellers for one reason or another.but even clubs will mislable clones.get your clones from lots of sources.be as diversfied as you can.but theres nothing like have lots of your own mothers to pick from.