Clone only strains

AlphaPhase said:

You're lucky you got those cuts when ya did doc, it's looking like the ones I got now are tainted going back through my grow logs of the first run with the new cuts (the ones u got) and then looking at the 2nd run with another batch of cuts I got from someone else, I think I nailed it with my concerns in the journal. Small leaves, slower growth ect. The cuts I just ran have dud branches and I could see it from the beginning, I knew something wasn't right I have to throw this away, luckily it's only 150g wet but it still sucks

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strains like this i belive need the "ed rosenthal treatment " cut the tops and give the lower axials their time in the "sun" the strain "flo" , sour d , ghost og , and hazes finish top to bottom and can be harvested as such if you have time.
apollo 13, JTR, SFV , blue dream... they seem to finish bottom to top and can be cut as a whole plant with less loss to the "hash bin" IMO, your results my vary according to side lighting variables...

Joedank said:

not to bring up old shit ....so back when rare dankness first busted out any of you all read the threads on IC or BB between moonshine(raredank) and the docta(archive) .... the whole story would be good to know ... like giving some one cuttings is the seedbank not marketing .... it all marketing @Gbuddy is teaching me...

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I like stories

It truly is all marketing. Jesus some kid(pewdiepie) made 7 million dollars last year playing video games on Youtube because he knew how to market himself. The world revolves around it.

DUDS = STEM NEMATODES

chitosan oligosaccharide lactate will save them

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oswizzle said:

DUDS = STEM NEMATODES

chitosan oligosaccharide lactate will save them

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I hope that's what it turns out to be.
That shit keeps popping up on me, and my friends ever since some fucked up bluedream cuts from harborside oakland about 7 or so yrs ago.
Please be it.

locomota707 said:

No. I was going to get a clone but let's grow seems shady to me. I called them but no answer.

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I'll do some follow up pics as they progress.

Joedank said:

strains like this i belive need the "ed rosenthal treatment " cut the tops and give the lower axials their time in the "sun" the strain "flo" , sour d , ghost og , and hazes finish top to bottom and can be harvested as such if you have time.
apollo 13, JTR, SFV , blue dream... they seem to finish bottom to top and can be cut as a whole plant with less loss to the "hash bin" IMO, your results my vary according to side lighting variables...

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I wish it was that easy but I have no side branches, all branches are tops directly under 1000w, the duds and regular branches side by side, even on same plant. It's a head scratcher moment because I've never had it happen

oswizzle said:

DUDS = STEM NEMATODES

chitosan oligosaccharide lactate will save them

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Wtf is a stem nematode? Man, I thought I heard it all until I moved to ca. Wtf kind of bugs are here Holy shit
How would I spot and eradicate stem nematodes?

every nug iv grown has been dank from the glue. people cant get enough!

greenghost420 said:

every nug iv grown has been dank from the glue. people cant get enough!

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It's dank for sure! My first cuts were great (even though I didn't get to finish flowering them), the second batch is great too except for the few dud branches I've never had bugs, well thrips once and mites once Ike 7 years ago. I didn't know duds and crazy bugs existed until I moved, what a trip!

Mr.Head said:

I like stories

It truly is all marketing. Jesus some kid(pewdiepie) made 7 million dollars last year playing video games on Youtube because he knew how to market himself. The world revolves around it.

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Pretty crazy, shows how wealth distribution is just all over the place. 7 million to be a video game personality for lack of a better term, dudes need to get paid that much to build some roads we might actually have some progress instead of just 5 dudes watching one in a hole lololol.

I digress

AlphaPhase said:

It's dank for sure! My first cuts were great (even though I didn't get to finish flowering them), the second batch is great too except for the few dud branches I've never had bugs, well thrips once and mites once Ike 7 years ago. I didn't know duds and crazy bugs existed until I moved, what a trip!

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I honestly have a feeling the super bugs have evolved from the use of such toxic chemicals. It is mother natures way of saying fuck you to everyone who used the harsh shit but now if any of us get it I would think the whole crop might have to go.

Last year on the mountain there were many outdoor crops that had weird issues going on and they had nothing to do with nutrients, it was some scary shit I stayed far far away from plants outside my chamber.

Ready to explode with growth

She has mucho rootstock,and is ready fir the big light

The hells clone is still growing roots,these sfv og is growing strong under 24hr t5 lighting

There has been a lot of talk about duds and stuff happening on a lot of boards. There was talk of this happening with the SourDubb and some others too. Everything that was being run had this happen. I've never heard or seen this before until recently when doing some research on strains. It seems like its surrounding the lineage and parents of GG#4. Weird shit fareal but I saw where some people said they wont even touch SourDubb anymore cus if the dud stuff happening every time

King Arthur said:

I honestly have a feeling the super bugs have evolved from the use of such toxic chemicals. It is mother natures way of saying fuck you to everyone who used the harsh shit but now if any of us get it I would think the whole crop might have to go.

Last year on the mountain there were many outdoor crops that had weird issues going on and they had nothing to do with nutrients, it was some scary shit I stayed far far away from plants outside my chamber.

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Totally makes sense, I've never used pesticides other than an occasional neem on my outdoor crops back east. Never really got mites or anything back home, slugs were the most trouble.

In cali it's different, I haven't had much trouble with bugs yet, just gnats here and there, but now hearing about bugs you can't see and bugs inside the stem, this is a new ball game, it's tripping me out lol. These dud branches were maybe 5% of the crop so not a big deal, but if it is a bug of some sort, it could be big trouble next grow and I don't think I want to risk it I'm on the edge of scrapping the gg4 and just doing something else

The dud thing used to be a lot more common with california dispensary clones. First people thought it was tmv and then broadmites,which are both real things but much more rare than people think.

Dudding is somewhat mysterious but I noticed it happens most readily from clones that were taken from rootbound mother plants, plants that were under t5s too long,plants that were on 24/0 for their whole life and plants that dont ever get thinned out to provide thicker shoots to grow (tons of toothpick cuttings per round).

Dudded clones are not worth using,they always turn out spindly growth with small leaves and preflowers on every node in veg and fluffy no frost/smell buds in flower. If its a strain you wanna keep sometimes you can bring it back by growing out a healthy mother patiently with lower ppm nutes and not too close HID at first. Also using some of the things that stimulate a plants immune system like chitin and aspirin works (1 uncoated aspirin per gallon of water).

Progressive Options in LA is the worst for duds, half their strains do it it seems like (including sour dubb/power and half their OGs)

BustinScales510 said:

The dud thing used to be a lot more common with california dispensary clones. First people thought it was tmv and then broadmites,which are both real things but much more rare than people think.

Dudding is somewhat mysterious but I noticed it happens most readily from clones that were taken from rootbound mother plants, plants that were under t5s too long,plants that were on 24/0 for their whole life and plants that dont ever get thinned out to provide thicker shoots to grow (tons of toothpick cuttings per round).

Dudded clones are not worth using,they always turn out spindly growth with small leaves and preflowers on every node in veg and fluffy no frost/smell buds in flower. If its a strain you wanna keep sometimes you can bring it back by growing out a healthy mother patiently with lower ppm nutes and not too close HID at first. Also using some of the things that stimulate a plants immune system like chitin and aspirin works (1 uncoated aspirin per gallon of water).

Progressive Options in LA is the worst for duds, half their strains do it it seems like (including sour dubb/power and half their OGs)

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See it seems like there's something in the SourDubb that's carrying this through. SinCity used the Power(SourDubb x Master Kush) cut to make Blue Power but I haven't seen any duds in the crosses I've grown of Blue Power. Growing Blue Power now so we shall see if something like this happens but I doubt it I haven't heard of it before

Great info dudes.

I've grown so many plants it's mind boggling. This is the first time it's happened and what's wierd is when I first got fresh new cuts of the gg4 last year, the first run went flawless. Beautiful plants. This run I knew something was wierd from the get go. Just didn't look right at all. I don't wanna sound like I have a big head or anything, but I can grow weed so I knew it couldn't be anything I was doing, yet I still tried fixing the issue, nothing worked haha. At least now I know this dud thing is real, I was beginning to doubt myself

Oh, I have a 300x microscope, it's shitty but it works, I'll break open some dud stems after I'm done trimming and see if I can find nematodes

I've had several duds from glue cuts. That's why it's important to keep a healthy mother around. You can tell the difference between a dud and a healthy clone like night and day. I don't recall that happening with other strains.

kgp said:

I've had several duds from glue cuts. That's why it's important to keep a healthy mother around. You can tell the difference between a dud and a healthy clone like night and day. I don't recall that happening with other strains.

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Josey and the Glue Crew they all said the SourDubb was famous for it and Josey said he would never ever ever grow it again because of it duding out on him everytime no matter what. People are growing healthy plants of SourDubb now and no duding so like you said it the cut that carry it. A healthy cut wont do this. I wouldn't know what a dud cut looks like lol

Like I said in this thread, and In a few other threads in the last couple years I've been on this board, this shit is driving me nuts, i've been dealing with it for YEARS.
No one knew shit. There was zero chatter about it online. ZERO!
I got home today and started googling it. And wow! Starting around last year it seems, more and more people are finally discussing their experience with this fucked up shit called DUD.
I got some reading to do. Hopefully someone figured it out by now.
A few of the strains that turned dud on me over the years:
Bluedream cuts from Harborside Oakland(dudd from the get go). Deadhead OG from HarborsideOak(after a year or two). One of our keeper wifi's(after about 2.5 yrs from seed). And now this GG4 is starting I picked up this gg4 from Elemental Wellness in San Jose last year, around world series time. Healthy as shit up until a couple months ago.

I grow allot of strains. I'm constantly stressing out that this shit will pop up again and take out a strain I love. Fucking shit sucks bad. At least there's some chatter about it now

Oh yeah, I've been growing indoor more than 20 yrs, and it was with club clones that I first saw this. I'm pretty sure it first started for me with the BD clones years back. I think.