Clone trouble (pics)!!

hey guys need some help here.
so i had a slow growing plant and wanted to practice cloning because ive yet to be successful.

so i found a couple decent branches and used a razorblade which i cleaned first.

cut 2 nodes then cut at a 45 under them.
put into olivias clone gel and into a wet oasis cube with ph water.

no with the clone that is clearly seen its 5 days old. every clone ive taken before has wilted wilted wilted then hit the floor and its done within 5 days.

so i keep the dome on it and spray 3 times a day.
but ive read you should ditch clones that wilt. well i dont understand why or what makes them wilt that im doing wrong????

any info helps

almost all of my clone look like that at one point or another but not for long maybe a day or two probably time to take the dome off...

whats the reason that they wilt?
and mine have been like that for at least 3 days so im hoping they will com through

check this out it may help some.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iimHkskETg&feature=related

they wilt because when they were attatched to the mom that had a steady supply of energy(water)
so when you cut it off the mom and take the supply of water away it will act as if it was not getting watered.

i spray my clones and the dome, i probably spray my clones once every 2 days but spray the dome twice or 3 times a day.
usually the first 2 days they will droop.
you can leave the dome one for weeks. the only time you dont need the dome is when they have a root structure forming.
roots are the ones that need the air.

i used the same method you used except i am using rockwool instead of those oasis cubes.
i also use olivias. the stuff works great.


try to keep it as warm as possible.
if you dont have a heating mat you could put an incandescent light bulb inside a box and set your cloning tray on top, that will keep it nice and humid.

i have heating pad on low but i dont wanna cook them so i turn it off every now and then.

also tonight i changed over from 24/0 to 20/4 so the clones can get some rest cuz ive heard on here that some darkness helps wilting.
soes this cause shock to the mothers?

CyberSecks said:

i have heating pad on low but i dont wanna cook them so i turn it off every now and then.

also tonight i changed over from 24/0 to 20/4 so the clones can get some rest cuz ive heard on here that some darkness helps wilting.
soes this cause shock to the mothers?

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you want to keep it below 80º
mine are on 18/6.
it usually takes 10-12 days for me to see any signs of roots forming.


it does cause a little stress to the mom but not much.
i like to wait about 2 weeks minimum before cutting more clones.
and i prune the mom of the smaller stems that i wouldnt use for clones.

cool i was hoping i wouldnt shock them going from 24/0 to 20/4
so yours droop for a lil then start to lift back up? or does the new growth lift up.

i was reading that you should put them into dark after cutting for a few hours to relieve the shock?
is it possible that they droop from over watering? i spray 3-4 times a day on the dome and spray the plants twice

ya the same leaves that droop will perk up.
i dont know about the putting them in dark to relieve shock. i usually cut mine with about 6 hours left of light before they go into dark.

it is possible the water you spray on the leaves could weigh them down.

i spray the dome whenever it looks like its starting to get dry.

i dont like to spray the cutting so much because they will just drink the water on the leaves rather than developing roots and drinking from beneath.
i do a very light mist when i first place them in rockwools. then i'll wait 2 or 3 days before i mist them again.
i just keep the dome wet.

ImTheFireMan said:

you want to keep it below 80º
mine are on 18/6.
it usually takes 10-12 days for me to see any signs of roots forming.


it does cause a little stress to the mom but not much.
i like to wait about 2 weeks minimum before cutting more clones.
and i prune the mom of the smaller stems that i wouldnt use for clones.

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I'm with this guy. Clones sometimes will wilt a little bit, but I only get this usually right before they root. I wouldn't be suprised if it was the heating mat or whatever you got going on.

Here's a couple tips that should help you a little......A) After you take the cuttings, lets them soak in a glass of water for an hour+ before you clone them. I also add a VERY light dose of nutes to the water, but it isn't necessary.(I've found that it helps them from yellowing during rooting) B) Make sure the rooting medium is good and wet. I used peat pellets(Jiffy) for most of my cloning, and haven't had much problems with wilting ever since i started keeping them wetter.C) Make sure that the cutting is making good contact with the medium. Make sure to give the rockwool, etc...a light squeeze after you insert the cutting. If those things are done right, you don't even really have to mist them at all, because they will keep theirselves hydrated if that tip(the 45* cut) is always making contact with the wet rooting medium. You should still mist them periodically, I'm just saying that the solution isn't to mist them more often.

awsome tips guys i repd everyone who helpd.
i tried the mat because i heard roots wanna grow twoards heat so it could shave a few days off.
after the four hours of dark they look alot better.
and thanks for the tip on not misting them so much.

it better to just keep the dome humid not the plants wet?

so many online guides are too vauge

^I always mist the inside of the dome whenever I have it open. I think it's a pretty good idea. The main reason that i don't like to get carried away misting the plants, is because it can cause mild/mildew problems, so i try not to risk it too much. I just started using a heating mat myself because it's colder now and i noticed that my rooting times have slowed down since the summer. It was 85*+ in the summer and 75* now, and all I can figure is that the lower temp is slowing them down a little. I was having them take root in 5-7 days,(in peat pellets) and now it's more like 10-14. The only thing different is the temp, so I hope the heating pad helps. It's too early to tell though, so I'll have to be patient.lol

i have one of those ice packs that you can use for heat as well if you microwave, it was like 10 bucks at rite aid, i wear it around my ankle when its sprained but i;ve been using that under my clone dome, i just stick it in the microwave twice a day and throw it underneath, bingo bango bongo

ImTheFireMan said:

i have one of those ice packs that you can use for heat as well if you microwave, it was like 10 bucks at rite aid, i wear it around my ankle when its sprained but i;ve been using that under my clone dome, i just stick it in the microwave twice a day and throw it underneath, bingo bango bongo

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so your plants have a sprained ankle??? haha
thats a creative alternative to heat mat

Heres the clones as of last night,
i practiced cloning from my worst growing blackjack so im not sure if its affecting my clones. all plants started at same time and this one was a little over half the size of the rest.

the branches were really bendy and soft so maybe thats a problem

i do seem to have one that hasnt wilted but all the rest have and wont perk up

heres a question these clones are for practice only so after 4 days i tugged on one and it held its cube up.
i thought that meant roots but no.
i opend it and nothing........ it didnt even have any gel anymore? does it wash or fade away?
maybe i opend it too early but what should it look like.

she wasnt wilting at all she looked great.

Sound's like you are wanting to much to happen too soon.Do everything that you have put but always through the razor after use also put any cloneing gels into a small glass so that if a plant with a problem is dipped into the gel you will only waste a little ammount rather than all of it put has much has you need for the clone's you are about to take.Leave the clone's in the gel for a few seconds then place them into the cube.Also make sure that you get most of the water out of the pre soaked cube's.Pre~soak the cubes or jiffy pellets in water with a drop of superthrive in just a drop per litre of water leave them soaking for 24 hours if possible.Then do not add any more water to the cube normaly the first soak will see the clone's through the cloneing process.If the cube's are too wet this can be the differance between success and failer.The cubes been a little dry will help the clone's root faster has the clone search's out water.And then mist the plant's with nothing just ph'ed water if you are growing in soil ph of 6.0/6.5 if in hydroponic's 5.0/5.5.You say that you are misting 3 time's a day this is unnessessary once will be fine but before misting take the lid of the propagator and let the plant's get some new air leave them say on a side away from the lights for 20 min's then mist with the water.Also mist the inside of the propagator lid and keep the vent's shut for the first 3 days then after this open them.Carry on with the method that i have put above and the plants will root from anything from 3/14 days.Just because a plant take's 14 days to root from clone it will still be a nice plant some just take longer than others.Once the roots show through the bottom of the cloneing media it's time to put into soil or bigger cube's.Don't worry about a plant wilting for the first 1/2 days after takeing the clone's it will stand up right not long afterwards.Hope this help's ...........................tyke..................................................