Cloning from clones?

bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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With seeds you can run into genetic deficiencies if you don't mix in an outside source periodically. Rooting a plant does not involve genetics as does normal reproduction. In fact we are only rooting the plant as it will do naturally in the wild and does not represent what science refers to as cloning. We've had the same plants (clones) for over a decade and they perform just as well as they did when they were first used. A pot plant is in fact a tree and under ideal conditions can live for decades.
 
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C. Breeze

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kinddiesel said:
to explain. plants clones. its the same as a dog. they have puppies first litter healthy . second ok. 3 well mabe ok 4 notice able issues. so on. plants dooo lose there genetics. they may look healthy but. the thc and genetics do run away. soon the plant will be basically a wild weed . you need to plant a fresh seed from time to time.
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Sorry- there isn't even an intelligible thought expressed here...

Also- clones/ cuttings = puppies???

I'm laughing my ass off.


Where did the aforementioned puppies come from? Are you talking about citing off mamas feet and ears and sprouting them??? Hahahaha.
 
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C. Breeze

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The possibility of mutation and disease is present- just as with a seed grow- environmental factors do play a role- but that has everything to do with sanitation and technique, not how many times the individual plant has been rooted.


Whatever- of you aren't comfortable with the idea of going 40-50 generations o clone from clone, keep a mom for 1-2 years, and the. Replace we with a clone of herself- your then talking keepin a mom for 10-20 years off less than a half dozen generations.

Will you grow the same strain for 10-20 years with out interruption?
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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tusseltussel said:
UB is a douche bag, that explains why you come in here yelling, that's his style. Aint nobody got time for that. Maybe one day you will get your own style and realize being helpful is more rewarding than being an abrasive ass like uncle ben.
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I don't care if you like him or not. I appreciate his advise. Sorry if you think typing BULLSHIT in bold is yelling, but to me, it is just emphasizing the word BULLSHIT.
 
Nitro1990

Nitro1990

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Taking a cutting from a cutting imho dosent degrade anything I've got a mother plant and its 4 years old now and my plants have never changed infact I'd say they have got easyer to grow and faster compaired to my 1st couple of grows its taken about a week off flowering and I get about 20%more bud
 
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kushink

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just search and read on the subject . no need for name calling. bunch of childish keyboard commandos on this site. people rather talk shit then try to help someone. and how is my comment the only dumbass comment in the thread when there is 2 pages of dumb fucking idiots talking shit following my 1 single comment. get your heads out of your asses. do any of you have any concrete proof of this subject. Lots of breeders talk about how strains lose vigor all of the time. I was just saying what I have read . and have come to see in real life. you can believe what you want and do things accordingly. sorry my post stirred up the forum so badly. maybe the op should have just utfse . or googled the subject.
 
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kushink

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and nitro. would you really attribute that to them being from clones. or could it have something to do with you getting your room dialed in. learning the strain. and what its feeding and watering needs are. cause I bet you just learned your gear. not the gear got better cause you cloned it. from what everyone yelled at me about. you should have gotten that a clone is an exact dna replica of its parent
 
Nitro1990

Nitro1990

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Yeah I do understand that a cutting is a DNA replica but sayin that there can be differences I've had this out with my grow partner before and we have asked and read so much info on this subject its totally unreal there is no 100% concert proof if the more you take cuttings it degrades but in my experience I find that my plant dose have differences from my 1st plant of this strain an as for getting my kit dialled in I've not changed anything in 2 years and have done over 10 grows in that time and yeilded more and more each time but untill there is concrete proof its all speculation and peoples opinions
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Chuck, they are getting the same nutes from the bucket system under the same lighting up until the last few weeks where I added my 3 yo ufo 90 to one side as a 660 test. The only variable was where on the plant the clones were taken, but both came from within 2 nodes of each other
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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PetFlora said:
The one on the right had a much fatter top cola, ditto the other branches. Dry weights in my finished thread
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The growth and structure look identical.... So many variables could have made that happen not taking weight into account those Colas look the same maybe 1 a little fatter but the same formation even with whatever you did with the one on the left, why is string hanging off. You said they were like 2 nodes apart on the plant when you cut them So which one was closer to alternating nodes on the mother plant? My guess the one on the right, more mature fatter Cola still the same formation, cut from a couple nodes north of the one on the left
 
DemonTrich

DemonTrich

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cough cough, Dolly the sheep. enough said. a clone is just that, a genetic replica of the host/donor. not sure why its so hard for people to understand that concept. its not astro physics, its cloning.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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It is pretty much true that the further you get away from the mother, the quality will depreciate. A clone from a clone will not be as strong as the mother. That is one reason I only use clones off a mother, never a clone from a clone. That's what I believe with some experience. Peace
 
bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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I prefer taking my snips from cloned mothers. I prefer to get the shoots with the most vigorous growth to use for moms. I prefer to keep at least six different kinds of moms so I get a selection Instead of being stuck with one kind of weed. After I get at least one good clone from a selected seed plant I toss the seedling into bud. I find snips from a cloned mother root easier than snips from a seedplant. For that reason the clones come out healthier as there parent has already encoded the info into the snip. I still would have no concerns for genetics degrading. It's a tree.
 
tusseltussel

tusseltussel

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Jimdamick said:
It is pretty much true that the further you get away from the mother, the quality will depreciate. A clone from a clone will not be as strong as the mother. That is one reason I only use clones off a mother, never a clone from a clone. That's what I believe with some experience. Peace
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Nope... Why do you think it is pretty much true when it has been proven to not be true so many times by so many growers and why are there clone only strains that have been around for decades that are still strong and healthy after being cloned so many times....
 
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