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polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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AltarNation said:
Yeah, sorta... I will take pics and show ya what it looks like...

I do think I underwatered last time, and I guess I waited too long to catch them up. The wilting all went away, but the dried out patches on the bottom leaves are still there. I will be more careful to make sure to keep them well-watered for sure.

what exactly would I be underfeeding though? Nitrogen should be the only thing is' using a ton of at this point, right? And N-deficiency usually shows a yellowing on the bigger, older leaves first, yes? The only yellowing I'm getting is those tiny tips on the newer growth, and that's just one plant...

To be clear, I have not added nutes at all yet, and they are going off of the worm castings in the soil mix. I gave an extra portion or two of worm castings to the mix I used for the first 1/3rd of each pot, then I filled the rest with a normal mix... so I feel like I should be good on N for now...
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under feeding P or a P lockout, remember all the nutes are vital at all stages of life, some will strains will crave more than others.

exmple my bluecheese does not like a high N level regardless of the stage it is in but because of the way i feed (except in flower) it almost always has purple stems, while on the other hand most all my other strains are green and bendy.
as for nutrition, think like simpler, you need it all in good dose. and some of it more than others at different stages of life.
 
polyarcturus

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PSUAGRO. said:
I would continue with NO ferts.........they are not showing an N def/ very dark green leaves/ slight clawing and burnt tips lead me to believe that it has more than enough nutes still in the soil mix..........first set of pics poly is right about your watering habits/ dryed out a little too far........second set shows leaves getting caught in a wet soil/ light deprivation.......no biggie it's normal.......if any of these signs spread to the middle and/or top canopy==then start worrying:p
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no ferts? hmmm wont hurt, im with you tho, i would wait to feed till i see def. but im thinking he starting to see some P defs. now i could be wrong tho.
 
AltarNation

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PSUAGRO. said:
I would continue with NO ferts.........they are not showing an N def/ very dark green leaves/ slight clawing and burnt tips lead me to believe that it has more than enough nutes still in the soil mix..........first set of pics poly is right about your watering habits/ dryed out a little too far........second set shows leaves getting caught in a wet soil/ light deprivation.......no biggie it's normal.......if any of these signs spread to the middle and/or top canopy==then start worrying:p
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Thanks Psuagro, that is highly compatible with my own interpretations!

One Q, are you saying that the yellow tips on the new growth is a form of burning, and that's the N being too high? I was leaning towards too high, since the leaves themselves are remarkably dark, almost to the point of looking purply in some spots.
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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polyarcturus said:
under feeding P or a P lockout, remember all the nutes are vital at all stages of life, some will strains will crave more than others.

exmple my bluecheese does not like a high N level regardless of the stage it is in but because of the way i feed (except in flower) it almost always has purple stems, while on the other hand most all my other strains are green and bendy.
as for nutrition, think like simpler, you need it all in good dose. and some of it more than others at different stages of life.
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Thanks Poly, that makes a lot of sense, because I definitely have plenty of N... so you are saying the yellow tips is maybe a P def then?

What's the easiest way to go about adding just P? Or would it be ideal to just give a dose of bloom nutes to correct? (Earth Juice bloom is 0-3-1)

It's only 1 of 10 plants showing the yellowing tips on new growth, if I recall correctly.
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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Much thanks and props to both of you guys for the coaching. Reps coming your ways.

Edit: Ahhh poly I still can't rep you, you help me too much, lol ;)
 
AltarNation

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I have started seeing pre-flowers... at least a couple confirmed females... a couple with verrrry small developments that look suspect, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions, will give them all more time.

I would really like to get them all sexed before I set up the scrog nets so that I'm not pulling out and rearranging plants once they start growing into the netting!!

BTW the netting has arrived for my dome-scrog design, I am just waiting on my 1/8" fiberglass rods. :)
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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AltarNation said:
Thanks Poly, that makes a lot of sense, because I definitely have plenty of N... so you are saying the yellow tips is maybe a P def then?

What's the easiest way to go about adding just P? Or would it be ideal to just give a dose of bloom nutes to correct? (Earth Juice bloom is 0-3-1)

It's only 1 of 10 plants showing the yellowing tips on new growth, if I recall correctly.
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that earth juice sounds ideal, i would use something like that yes. the yellowing tips on new growth could be a few things not too much to worry about but purple stems and leaves are a sure sign of something with the P going on.
 
AltarNation

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polyarcturus said:
that earth juice sounds ideal, i would use something like that yes. the yellowing tips on new growth could be a few things not too much to worry about but purple stems and leaves are a sure sign of something with the P going on.
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Okay, I see... this makes sense. I just did some research and I definitely agree that it seems like the one with the leaves starting to purple needs a dose of P. Maybe the others do too, as there is some seriously dark green leaf color going on. Before this i was under the impression that dark green leaves would be caused by too much N, but now I find out it's a symptom of a lack of P as well, especially if it's leaning towards purple, which I did specifically notice when I took them out into the normal colored light!

So maybe I'll go ahead and give them a light dose of bloom across the board on next watering and see what happens. I don't think I could hurt anything doing that... right? heh
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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My bubbling equipment arrived, I'm bout to start that light bloom nutes batch... just wondering, do I need a cover on my bubbling mix? Is it bad to have light coming into the water while it's bubbling? Cuz I got one 5 gal to my name and it's got no lid, heh. I can makeshift something if I need to though.
 
AltarNation

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Think I'm gonna grab a water pump to make it easier to feed from the bucket... just hold a tube out over each pot one at a time... almost a drip system but really just a miniature version of a water wand system...

Thing is, I don't need very much power at all... I want a nice slow rate of expulsion so the soil has time to uptake the water as I'm feeding it in... so I gotta figure out how low a GPH I really need here... don't want to go so low that it's useless...

Let's figure I'm going to move the full 5 gal bucket for each feeding... I guess as long as it's about 25 gph or so, that should mean that a full feed would take about 12 minutes, or 1/5th of an hour, of sitting there with my arm out over the pots... I'm gonna figure a little higher than that to speed it up, maybe 40-50 gph or so...

Also, if I just pinch the hose while moving from pot to pot, is that going to burn out the motor or cause the tubing to pop off or something? Is there an easy way to have trigger control on the end of the tubing?

I know people use watering wands with trigger controls for bigger setups with higher GPH pumps, so I'm guessing it's okay to put back pressure on it?? Do water pumps have some sort of built in alternate route that the water can take if the output path is on a trigger?
 
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Ecips

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I have a cheep idea ,
i found a syphin pump for gas , it's a hand pump !!
i think I found it at wall mart 5$-10$
once it starts syphining lol you open the lid (unscrew) and it stops the flow
i use it for my heater gas . If I see one I'll post a link
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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That might work. :) Link me if you find a good example, certainly.

I'm still leaning towards just buyin an electric one and some tubing, just need to figure out how many GPH I need and get my hands on one...
 
AltarNation

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sudden brain-storm just made me realize that my plants bases are so low to the ground I could use gravity to feed the line if I can just make a spigot at the bottom of the bucket. That should be pretty easy to do. Then I'd just need a little table to keep the bucket on.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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back pressure on pumps wont hurt the water will escape the in the cracks but it wont hurt it.

you dont need lids to bubble you nute solution. light wont hurt.
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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polyarcturus said:
back pressure on pumps wont hurt the water will escape the in the cracks but it wont hurt it.

you dont need lids to bubble you nute solution. light wont hurt.
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Thanks again Poly, you da man. heh. I partially covered it anyway cuz EJ smells, hahaha. I was worried it might kick into the room from the aeration. So far so good though.

I hope I have enough aeration, I just bought a cheap petco kit with a single output and a single stone. Seems like it could be more, now that I got it going. But it's not entirely unimpressive either, heh.

And good to know that I can block the line on the pump, thanks man! I am still considering just doing a gravity feed now, but if I got the pump I could run out lines for a drip system if I need to go away for a while in the future. :0]
 
AltarNation

AltarNation

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Bah... my mix didn't foam up very much at all over night. I don't know if it's because I got too weak a bubbling setup or if it's because I added a very small amount of nutes... (I added just a 1/2 tsp of bloom and a 1/2 tsp of catalyst per gal)

I'm gonna return the pump setup to Petco and get at least a 2-outlet version... won't cost much more. This version's kinda weak. I'll probably go for the 2-outlet for bigger size tanks, should be more powerful.
 
AltarNation

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  • Back lighting:
  • Group shots:
  • Hurting for certain, here's the jerijuana... i don't know what's goin on really, but I saw some significant yellowing on this and the next coupe plants, so I added a little grow before feeding:
  • More ugly shit goin on here, these ones got a little N with their feed:
  • Sidelighting is crazy.
  • Canopy shots:
 
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