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Tahmi.Guhnn

Tahmi.Guhnn

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bigv1976 said:
I am not going to argue with you on this. I have seen a whole bunch of grows where people are using a cheap LED and 99% of them finish with and HID because cheap LEDs dont cut it. I have been research in this for a year now because I will make the switch to LEDs when a quality light that will productively work for growing comes in at less than $500.
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dude did u even read half the shit i posted on here?
 
Tahmi.Guhnn

Tahmi.Guhnn

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bigv1976 said:
No and I probably wont cuz you talk out your bum bum.
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lol that just shows how ignorant you are. everything you said i already said. i stated previously I"VE NEVER FLOWERED WITH LEDS that i veg em under the blues and that they have remarkably better results than cool color t5s for less electricity and a cheaper price. and THEN i throw em under a couple of 1000s. i NEVER stated they were good for flowering. only that im going to ATTEMPT to use flowering leds this crop for first hand experience. like i said dude did you read anything i wrote.

Originally Posted by bigv1976
I am not going to argue with you on this. I have seen a whole bunch of grows where people are using a cheap LED and 99% of them finish with and HID because cheap LEDs dont cut it. I have been research in this for a year now because I will make the switch to LEDs when a quality light that will productively work for growing comes in at less than $500.

and if i talk out of my BUM BUM why were you agreeing with me here

Originally Posted by Tahmi.Guhnn
yeah absolutly. if you use the mat just put it on a timer depending on how long it needs to be on to keep the temp up. but if you use the matt becareful you dont fry your roots. they start to cook above 85F. the heater on a thermostat would be the best option probably.
This post brings up a very good point. Root temp is far more important than canopy tent. Like he said you dont want your roots much over 80 at all.

you obviously dont know the context. before calling me a moron or whatever maybe you should give someone the benifit of the doubt and actually read what they post...
 
Snow Crash

Snow Crash

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Tahmi.Guhnn said:
did i say anythin about replacing 400 hps. dude read the previous post before sounding like a jack ass
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No one is talking to you dude.

No one cares that in your little LED experiment you seem to have gotten "more" or "less" of a certain sex. It's good for you, but for us, LED is a joke man. HID still produces the heaviest yields because the penetration power is there. I get the argument, I think most understand how LED's can compete given their unacceptably low levels of energy, but we just don't care because they are too damn expensive and they don't cover a large enough area.

There are many claims made about LED lighting. The above poster was repeating a claim he, and myself, have seen elsewhere. This is fitting because here you are making a wild accusation that somehow a plant's sex is determined by "nurture" rather than by "nature." As I understand plant genetics, this is not the case. It would seem that your increase in female plants is actually a result of the hermaphroditic plants leaning towards female in the blue light. In the red light the hermies lean towards their male genetics.

See, in this regard having blue LED light to "increase the number of females" is actually detrimental because it increases the chances of a plant producing male stamens and pollen late in growth. Possibly wrecking a crop with immature seeds. The red light system would be working with "truer" female plants and less hermaphroditic genetics.

I chose to take the time to read this entire thing to see what you are referring to Tahmi.Guhnn. The world doesn't revolve around you dude, this thread has nothing to do with you. Thank you for your input regarding LED lighting but it sounds to me, and to others, like more ridiculous, illogical, and unverifiable hype coming from someone pushing LED lights.

In regards to the OP, so as to be somewhat on topic, in this situation you are going to be best served by multiple light sources. The length of the space being twice the width is the issue. There are a lot of ways of going about it. You could use a 4 bulb T5 HO system in one corner and then drop a 250w HPS in the other. Add in a little false wall and you now have a Vegetative and a Flowering chamber. To fully use the entire space you'd need at least two 400w systems, each covering a 3x3 space. You could also drop a 600w or even a 1000w system on a light mover.

HID requires very adequate ventilation so keep this in mind. The plants themselves require quite a bit of air anyway and it is never in your benefit to skimp on ventilation. You really can't exchange too much air so get yourself a good fan no matter what light system you choose. Personally, I'd go with two growing rooms.
A 3x4 and a 3x2. In the 3x2 I'd have a 4 bulb 2 foot long T5 system and my vegetative plants or clones. In the 3x4 I'd have a 600w HPS and my flowering plants.

This would create an environment that I could then go "perpetual" with. Harvest a plant every 15 days or so. Each plant I would expect to be about 1/5 to 1/4 pound, veg for 30 days after cloning. DWC method would be too much of a pain in the ass. I'd probably go for coco.
 
Tahmi.Guhnn

Tahmi.Guhnn

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Snow Crash said:
No one is talking to you dude.

No one cares that in your little LED experiment you seem to have gotten "more" or "less" of a certain sex. It's good for you, but for us, LED is a joke man. HID still produces the heaviest yields because the penetration power is there. I get the argument, I think most understand how LED's can compete given their unacceptably low levels of energy, but we just don't care because they are too damn expensive and they don't cover a large enough area.

There are many claims made about LED lighting. The above poster was repeating a claim he, and myself, have seen elsewhere. This is fitting because here you are making a wild accusation that somehow a plant's sex is determined by "nurture" rather than by "nature." As I understand plant genetics, this is not the case. It would seem that your increase in female plants is actually a result of the hermaphroditic plants leaning towards female in the blue light. In the red light the hermies lean towards their male genetics.

See, in this regard having blue LED light to "increase the number of females" is actually detrimental because it increases the chances of a plant producing male stamens and pollen late in growth. Possibly wrecking a crop with immature seeds. The red light system would be working with "truer" female plants and less hermaphroditic genetics.

I chose to take the time to read this entire thing to see what you are referring to Tahmi.Guhnn. The world doesn't revolve around you dude, this thread has nothing to do with you. Thank you for your input regarding LED lighting but it sounds to me, and to others, like more ridiculous, illogical, and unverifiable hype coming from someone pushing LED lights.

In regards to the OP, so as to be somewhat on topic, in this situation you are going to be best served by multiple light sources. The length of the space being twice the width is the issue. There are a lot of ways of going about it. You could use a 4 bulb T5 HO system in one corner and then drop a 250w HPS in the other. Add in a little false wall and you now have a Vegetative and a Flowering chamber. To fully use the entire space you'd need at least two 400w systems, each covering a 3x3 space. You could also drop a 600w or even a 1000w system on a light mover.

HID requires very adequate ventilation so keep this in mind. The plants themselves require quite a bit of air anyway and it is never in your benefit to skimp on ventilation. You really can't exchange too much air so get yourself a good fan no matter what light system you choose. Personally, I'd go with two growing rooms.
A 3x4 and a 3x2. In the 3x2 I'd have a 4 bulb 2 foot long T5 system and my vegetative plants or clones. In the 3x4 I'd have a 600w HPS and my flowering plants.

This would create an environment that I could then go "perpetual" with. Harvest a plant every 15 days or so. Each plant I would expect to be about 1/5 to 1/4 pound, veg for 30 days after cloning. DWC method would be too much of a pain in the ass. I'd probably go for coco.
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granted you make some vaild claims and statements and granted i probably helped get this thread off topic. but again I never stated that they were good for flowering. just the beniffits during vegging, and that contrary to populare belief there are led pannels out there that are cheap and can help during vegging with plant growth, internodal spacing, and energy use. thats all i was trying to get across.
 
Bulldoggin33

Bulldoggin33

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Awesome advice ya'll. I greatly appreciate it. I believe I'll stick with the 400 watt blue spectrum.
I will say that the T5 coral life (saltwater tank light) has done the job as far as getting the babies going quite well.
I know the time is coming to move up in watts and lumens......
 
Bulldoggin33

Bulldoggin33

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You assumed correctly. I'm a broke farmer just starting out basically. Couldn't get a job if I paid to be hired in here in MI.

hps/MH is abbreviated from what may I ask??
 
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