Club 600

bassman999

bassman999

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duchieman said:
So I've been waiting for one of you guys to go there because I'd like some opinions myself on this subject. My old digital crapped out on me so I'm back to my trusty magnetic for now but I do need to upgrade aaaaand, double up. As well as how you like them, I'm trying to determine the equivalency to a 600. I plan to run 2 4x4 tents/rooms. I've done some research recently, along with my daughters very bright boyfriend, and we were looking at COB's, particularly that high end brand (the name eludes me) and have no problems taking on a DIY. So mainly, are they worth the money and how do they produce. I hear less yield but more frosty and potent. I'm into that if I can make it up some way, like longer vegging or something. Anyway, what say ye 600. Appreciate the input. Thanks.
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As you know I am not the best grower, but cobs and organic soil changed everything!
I use Cree cobs, but have other brands lying around I got as samples. I am getting over a GPW with cobs whereas I was getting under .5GPW with HPS. I started out with a 600 and it was and is great, but my cobs are SOOO vrsatile and they made it a no brainer for me. I under drive my cobs to make them emit more lumens/watt than normal. Thats the main reason I get so much yield for my 400 watt at the wall draw. Running a mix of CXA3070s, CXB3070s, and CXB3590s just because I bought them in stages and thats just what I did for some reason. There are actually cheaper options now though that might even be more efficient.
 
bassman999

bassman999

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GroErr said:
I used the 315's for the last 2 1/2 years, now using the 3590 Cree COBs which are the higher end in the COB world but will likely use the CMH mid winter for some extra heat, I want to try it mixed with some COBs.

CMH is easily capable of 1.5 gpw with clones of any decent strain if you're going for yield. I do a lot of variety and my lowest returns in pheno hunts from seed with no training still got me 1 gpw+, they won't replace a 600 straight up imo, more like 450-500w equivalent if you have your hps environment dialed in. Each 315 in a hood can cover up to 3.5'x3.5'x3.5"H well. Quality is top notch and density is good or they wouldn't pull those kind of numbers. If your room is setup to handle hps these would be easy to manage, more heat than COBs but less than hps.

3590 COBs from what I've seen so far match or exceed the CMH yields watt for watt. What has sold me on them though is the quality is even better than CMH, for some reason terps on strains I've been running as long as 3 years are clearly louder, very noticeable difference (haven't changed my environment or methods so have to attribute it to the lights). For these to replace a 600 you're good with ~400w to match or exceed your 600 output and top shelf quality. Heat is less and you have to consider that, particularly if you're moving from hps. It can be good like in my case running 630w of CMH was stretching my room and sometimes difficult to manage heat. It could also be detrimental in that less heat = higher humidity so some adjustments may be needed.

Price wise the CMH is ~$1.25-$1.50 per watt, COBs are somewhere around $2-$2.50 per watt and continue to get cheaper particularly if you DIY. Both are a bigger investment up front but you get the returns pretty quick with their efficiency/gpw. You can either run less wattage and get the same yields or replace watt-for-watt and increase your total output.
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Cobs are definitely a higher initial investment!
But they have a wayyy longer lumen maintenance and dont need a hood, and can actually get wet and not get damaged. Their efficiency and longevity ends up making cost of ownership less in the end possibly. I know my Elec bill is way less now and am pulling more bud thats denser so less larf.
Also cobs can be dimmed with no adverse effects except more life to them, and color temp doesnt change with dimming.
 
curious old fart

curious old fart

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I'm inclined to agree with you. I recently fired up a 315 cmh for a breeding project and it will give the 6 a run for her money, just in a little smaller area....and I'm going to replace a 1000w de with 2 of them.

Does anyone have any links to sale priced LED's?

:peace:
cof
 
GroErr

GroErr

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curious old fart said:
I'm inclined to agree with you. I recently fired up a 315 cmh for a breeding project and it will give the 6 a run for her money, just in a little smaller area....and I'm going to replace a 1000w de with 2 of them.

Does anyone have any links to sale priced LED's?

:peace:
cof
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Haven't checked them recently but I bought some at both these places, they carry a good stock and growershouse has 10% off promos all the time including LEC's. If you're buying any quantity both will drop their prices, grabbed 10 Sun Systems 315 240v's for my son and negotiated a good deal with BGH a while back. Right now through year end is a good time to buy, lots of them try and clear out inventory for year end.

http://www.bghydro.com/
http://growershouse.com/
 
duchieman

duchieman

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Wow! Great info guys! Thanks, and thanks to GroErr for taking the time explaining it that way. It helped a lot in steering me. I have some more questions but I'll get to that later.

I was doing some LST'ing on a lady last night who was topped a few weeks ago now. I came up with this idea the other day and thought I'd give it a try and it worked really well. These little things have saved my ass so many times with little projects here and there and once again, they come through with another use. Drapery hooks.

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hippy132

hippy132

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duchieman said:
Wow! Great info guys! Thanks, and thanks to GroErr for taking the time explaining it that way. It helped a lot in steering me. I have some more questions but I'll get to that later.

I was doing some LST'ing on a lady last night who was topped a few weeks ago now. I came up with this idea the other day and thought I'd give it a try and it worked really well. These little things have saved my ass so many times with little projects here and there and once again, they come through with another use. Drapery hooks.

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You just put holes in your bags, water will pour out , not a biggee as it should get sucked up again
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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duchieman said:
Wow! Great info guys! Thanks, and thanks to GroErr for taking the time explaining it that way. It helped a lot in steering me. I have some more questions but I'll get to that later.

I was doing some LST'ing on a lady last night who was topped a few weeks ago now. I came up with this idea the other day and thought I'd give it a try and it worked really well. These little things have saved my ass so many times with little projects here and there and once again, they come through with another use. Drapery hooks.

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I chop up coat hangers and do the same thing. 1 hanger can make a bunch of those ;)
 
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