Club 600

1badmasonman

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haha Thats a great idea Mcp. I will be right over. I have a gang of purp beans from my outdoor grow. I dont believe that the plants got pollinated? Pretty sure they are selfed herm beans but anyways that would be a good use of them lol. Every year here they find pot plants growing in the police stations planters and the couthouses green space. Lmao its fucking great. There needs to be a massive event to get the attention of the powers that be that HEY WE WANT OUR WEED YOU STUPID LAZY FUCKS.. What really fires me up is the mandatory minimums. And how our own state goverments are allowing and encouraging the HIGHLY useful and FREE powers of our beloved mj. So much hipocracy it just pisses me off. The government is swayed by the privately owned prisons who encarcerate people in there fortruss filing cabinets for victimless crimes. CRIMES TO THE GOV. What ever happened to the land of the free. Who ever told us that was out enemy.

The point is that prohibition represents alot of $$$$$$$$ to our gov. It allows drug makers to get filthy rich off of there fucking pills that have a hoard of side effect so that you need more pills to correct the problem. Meanwhile the cure our MJ is chalked up as a gateway drug and therefore forbidden. And the law enforcement sector along with the privately owned institutions profit from wrecking lives. Its all a system designed by prohibition and it works. Thats why IMO its going to be awhile before we see any real relaxation of these REDICULOUS laws.

Sorry if i snapped out haha. I had a businees phone call that pissed me off as i was typing haha. Im better now. Peace 1BMM
 

1badmasonman

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On a much happier note being i dont give a fuck about the law. My outdoor has dried very quickly. I did the "snap the branch" check and they are all snapping. That was the fastest ive ever had that happen. Its only been 4 days. Hmmm.

Currently im using the cave room as my drying quarters. Once i get her cleaned out im going to set up my DIY ebb&flow/dwc i started building last year and go for a hydro scrog. Im not to enthusiastic about this ecosystem hydro machine. There just aint nothing like walking into a room of pot plants. I guess im quite partial to me cave hehe.

Ive been pondering a flood table. I ve been eying this 60 site nft system for a sog. But for now ive already got a good hydro rig just need the controller unit. Now that ive got a few days off from work im going to be getting geared up.

The Doggies are getting huge and in need of larger pots along with the headbands. Ahh can twait to get the cave functional again.
 

ENDLSCYCLE

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Funny shit guys.
Yesterday the wife and I and another newly-wed couple decided to go to a local taco joint to get a bite to eat....on the drive there smoked two bowls of OG KUSH....was pretty fkn stoned when we got there and starving so the three K9 police cruisers outside didn't really bother me.....until we get inside and the only open table in the joint was right next to them..go figure.....anyway...placed my order for the wife(was waiting at the table) and I and got my little plastic number for the server to find me and went to fill up the drinks...right at that moment two of the officers decided they needed a refill.......so cop#1 fills his up first as i politely and patiently wait behind him...as I move up to the machine and start filling mine the cop behind me(cop#2) is breathing down my neck and reaching over me to fill his....I kinda turned around and gave him a little look like "hold on buddy"(didn't actually say that)...now I'm filled up and getting a lid and straw and then follow cop#2 over to where we were seated.....as I sit down I hear cop#2 say to cop#1 "that kid stinks like marijuana"............cop#1 says "I thought I smelled pot".....and that was it........nothing more.
I'm fkn shocked that was all that happened......If I would of been in my previous state of residence...Florida....I would of been fuct(had a buddy go to jail for a week with a year of probation for a single seed on the floorboard of the car)....I love the midwest.....To many homie homies shooting eachother to care about bud....and meth....thats what the war on drugs around here is geared towards.....I love it....I almost feel free......................nah..what am I talking about it's the USA.
Sorry for rambling....just wanted to share.

P.S.....when we left they didn't even look at me...like they already forgot because the whole time they were telling stories to eachother about their recent meth busts and gang shootouts.........crazy
 

1badmasonman

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A quick question for the Jacks Classic nute users. Can it be used in a hydro setup?. Just curious as its seems to be a high quality fert and its cheap and locally available. From my understanding the JC nutes are designed for the plants to readilly uptake the nutrients within without having to first break it down to a useable form that the plant can use. Such as organic nutes must breakdown. Just a curious question for a knowledgable mind. Peace my bros 1BMM
 

1badmasonman

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Thats cool Endls. Some even popo figure its a waste of time to write up the paperwork and shit. Yeah the meth is a huge target for the pigs. Ive seen that drug st8 ruin people. But people that do that shit are going to do it anyways. They are after that pure ICE that comes from mexico. In the usa there aint many who can even produce it with the huge restrictions on the precursors. I dont know where im going with this haha. But i see a pattern. OK im stoned. My mind wonders and i love it haha.
 

ENDLSCYCLE

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Hah...yeah that's for sure....ICE...good(if thats what you call it) shit I've had was when I lived in Colorado..it came from Arizona...which was probably from mexico..................only way to get off that shit is drop all contacts....was on that shit pretty hard for almost two years.....had to move....literally cut all ties.....some of my best friends in life are on the no call list......it's pretty sad.....no powders for me for about five years now!!!!

On a better note.....lets see some pics....my lights are on in 30 but I'm headed to the growshop to get some charcoal for the filter. Will post when lights are on.
 

curious old fart

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A quick question for the Jacks Classic nute users. Can it be used in a hydro setup?. Just curious as its seems to be a high quality fert and its cheap and locally available. From my understanding the JC nutes are designed for the plants to readilly uptake the nutrients within without having to first break it down to a useable form that the plant can use. Such as organic nutes must breakdown. Just a curious question for a knowledgable mind. Peace my bros 1BMM
Jack's has been working fairly well, but you have to add calcium and magnesium, I didn't and now I'm having to correct the problem.
Dyna-Gro has the needed nutes, but yields small calyx in a steady bloom diet (3-12-6). I'm trying to alternately them between the Jack's and the Dyna-Gro and
I'll keep you aware of the outcome.

:peace:
cof
 

1badmasonman

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Hah...yeah that's for sure....ICE...good(if thats what you call it) shit I've had was when I lived in Colorado..it came from Arizona...which was probably from mexico..................only way to get off that shit is drop all contacts....was on that shit pretty hard for almost two years.....had to move....literally cut all ties.....some of my best friends in life are on the no call list......it's pretty sad.....no powders for me for about five years now!!!!

On a better note.....lets see some pics....my lights are on in 30 but I'm headed to the growshop to get some charcoal for the filter. Will post when lights are on.
I hear ya Endls. I did my share of that shit too. Not for the weak that is for sure. Ive been of it for about 5 years myself and dont miss it.

Jack's has been working fairly well, but you have to add calcium and magnesium, I didn't and now I'm having to correct the problem.
Dyna-Gro has the needed nutes, but yields small calyx in a steady bloom diet (3-12-6). I'm trying to alternately them between the Jack's and the Dyna-Gro and
I'll keep you aware of the outcome.

:peace:
cof
Cool cof. Thankyou for that info.
 

mcpurple

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haha Thats a great idea Mcp. I will be right over. I have a gang of purp beans from my outdoor grow. I dont believe that the plants got pollinated? Pretty sure they are selfed herm beans but anyways that would be a good use of them lol. Every year here they find pot plants growing in the police stations planters and the couthouses green space. Lmao its fucking great. There needs to be a massive event to get the attention of the powers that be that HEY WE WANT OUR WEED YOU STUPID LAZY FUCKS.. What really fires me up is the mandatory minimums. And how our own state goverments are allowing and encouraging the HIGHLY useful and FREE powers of our beloved mj. So much hipocracy it just pisses me off. The government is swayed by the privately owned prisons who encarcerate people in there fortruss filing cabinets for victimless crimes. CRIMES TO THE GOV. What ever happened to the land of the free. Who ever told us that was out enemy.

The point is that prohibition represents alot of $$$$$$$$ to our gov. It allows drug makers to get filthy rich off of there fucking pills that have a hoard of side effect so that you need more pills to correct the problem. Meanwhile the cure our MJ is chalked up as a gateway drug and therefore forbidden. And the law enforcement sector along with the privately owned institutions profit from wrecking lives. Its all a system designed by prohibition and it works. Thats why IMO its going to be awhile before we see any real relaxation of these REDICULOUS laws.

Sorry if i snapped out haha. I had a businees phone call that pissed me off as i was typing haha. Im better now. Peace 1BMM
ya i thought it was a cool idea if we had a few thousand or more people to plant at least 10-20 seed any where all around the US. and in other countries, and then have a few of us have a few million seeds (witch would be hard to acquire but could happin) and plant like crazy and let nature takes its course. and ya unfortantly i am a contributor to the pill company cuz my pain and i cant smoke and i know what you mean about having side effects from one pill so then you have to take another one to clear it up. ive been taking Vicodin and it makes me very constipated so now i have to take stole softeners all the time and they make me itch real bad
 

DST

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Hey how many plants you get under the two 600s? Thinkin bout goin wit the same setup. Also whats your electrical bill look like?
I would guess something like this:


Sorry, couldn't resist it.

Yeh, Jimmy T how many plants do you put under your 600, SOG, SCROG,....looks a bit scrog-ish to me but hard to tell how many ladies under there?

The amount of plants you do use lotsOweed really depends on what you want to achieve, how quickly you want to achieve it, and what sort of starter you have (seeds, clones, how many, etc) So lots of factors in deciding.....a real mine field actually! but a fun one.

Peace,
dst
 

Don Gin and Ton

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this might be quite interesting for peeps


Know your own stone
by DJ Short (01 Sept, 1999) An educated and descerning palate is a key requirement in breeding and appreciating cannabis.

An educated palate

The breeding and production of fine quality cannabis is more an art than a science. A creative mind and sense of imagination is necessary to achieve success in this field. The other requirement is a very discerning palate, including the ability to discern and appreciate subtle variations in taste, smell and mental experience.

Anatomically, the palate is located between the roof of the mouth and the nasal passages. The intricacies of taste and palate are complex and poorly understood. The taste buds in the tongue and mouth make up only a small fraction of the mechanisms used to interpret taste and smell.

Olfaction is the term used to describe the sense of smell. The olfactory bulb is the main sensor used to experience and interpret smells. This organ is located behind the nasal passages – up your nose. The sense of smell is one of the most complex we possess, and more of the brain is dedicated to processing smells than any other sense. Smell is closely related to memory, especially older memories. Anatomically, this region is located between the cortex and the occipital lobes, above and around the ears to the top of the head.

Research and experience suggest that some people have a greater natural ability to discern taste and smell than others. The palate can also be developed, educated and refined.

There are many similarities between the wine industry and the cannabis industry. One of these is that both use "expert palates" to identify and discern the various desirable traits of a product. However, unlike wine, cannabis has another added aspect to consider: the type of experience produced by the product. Alcohol's main experience is similar (and overconsumption can be fatal) while cannabis provides a wide range of effects and is non-toxic.

Some herb is strictly pleasing to the mental palate but is not so tasty, while other might taste great but have mild or unpleasant effects.

Spectrums of experience

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down" experience. "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.


Tastes and tasters

The physical palates of cannabis add another dimension to the equation. Taste is an important factor toward determining the desirability of most cannabis. The range of flavours expressed by the genus cannabis is extraordinary. No other plant on the planet can equal the cacophony of smells and tastes available from cannabis. This fact alone should interest researchers from several fields.

The range of possible smells and tastes a human can experience is large and complex. To date, no-one has created a fully usable olfaction chart, but Ann Noble developed a nifty "aroma wheel" for the wine industry, which inspired me to develop a cannabis olfaction chart. Like Ann's wheel, more basic aroma categories like "fruity", "floral", "spicy" and "pungent" go in the centre, and branch out into more specific aromas. So beneath "fruity" goes "berry" and "citrus", and beneath "citrus" is "lemon", "lime" and "orange".

The main cannabis aromas are: woody, spicy, fruity, earthen, pungent, chemical and vegetative – a wide range indeed. More specific aromas include pine and cedar under "woody", musty and dusty for "earthen", blueberry and mango under "fruity", and many others. Most aromas are possible through some combination of strains. Many of these strains were best expressed and acclimated when they were grown outdoors in their region-of-origin, or homeland.

Note that aroma and flavour vary between various stages of the plant. The aroma of a live bud on the plant, a dried and cured bud, and the smoke on the inhale and exhale, may all be different from each other. My number one goal when breeding cannabis is the quality of the perfectly matured, trimmed and cured bud and the experience it provides.

I strongly recommend the use of "tasters" to help analyze the qualities of a given smoke. I prefer highly educated, seasoned and critical elders as they tend to be the most helpful in their analysis and feedback. If there is the slightest drawback to the product, such as arrhythmia, tachycardia, paranoia, or what have you, the experienced elder taster will be the first to notice it. By the same token, if a product is exceptionally fine, the experienced elder taster will also likely be among the first to fully appreciate this. Besides, the elders always appreciate good medicine.

The best way to educate and train the palate is through experience. Unfortunately, there has been a great depletion of variance among the product available to the public. Most grow-ops focus on quantity over quality, and as a result a general blandness has developed. In future articles I will describe some of the great region-of-origin varieties that were available twenty years ago, describing their aroma, flavour, effects, and growth patterns.
 

Don Gin and Ton

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awesome stuff jimmy and whodat ! :clap: primo

so i thought id give you guys a chuckle, yesterday i picked up a 9 of some of the worst dope ive ever smoked. ever.... shits full of seeds smells like hair has little stone to it and cost£130 down the line on 9. thankfully i only got a 20bag out of the 9 and my 20's guy rings up n says hey man got C99 aplenty! pic of that tomorrow

from primo to hell no

:spew:
 

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