Club Vert(600)

genuity said:

like I see fluffy buds(I like all buds),and the grower says they had the light to close,or the room got to hot or something tto do with heat...I got my 600 bulb(no glass on reflector)around 8" away from my buds right now,i feel the heat on the back of my hand,but the temp says 78,and the plant as a whole looks dam good,nugs are tight as I like them.is heat and intensity one in the same?........im high as hell.

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Bro I think about this exact fucking thing all the time. With my little space shit just doesn't make sense sometimes. I'll let you guys think about what it all means, I'm just gonna sit and stare and trip out on the thought. And smoke some more.

Look at all the t5 grows. T5's have very little intensity. They are a not a single point of light either. They are linear. Inverse square law of lighting.. All the high par t5 grow produce big dense buds. If you have enough par intensity is irrelevant. Hps does waste more light than usable light. The bump in high watts does increase par. A 1000w hps depending on bulb is 1400 umole/s to 1900 umole/s for 12 inches away. To get a decent yield you only need about 800 - 1100 umoles.. Which 400's and 600' s put out. Led, par t5, CMH put out much higher par with less watts. Now if you matched watt for watt with led or CMH or par t5 or even quality induction. It would match the sun..

hps has very poor cri. Around 35. Where the others have high cri with CMH being the most 90+. Cri is color rendering index. The higher the number the more even the spectral distribution and better par. Difference in watts does not change cri. A 400, 600, 1000w of the same bulb will have the same cri..

Lumens only comes into play with design and commercial viability. Like cmh's are sold originally for commercial lighting. Stadiums and what not. Even the horticulture ones are ... So they disclose lumen per watt before the par rating.

Read this thread

https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/722947-measuring-plant-lighting.html

Lumens
The light intensity produced by commercial growing lights is usually listed in lumens. A lumen measures the amount of light that can be perceived by the human eye. One lumen equals 12.56 foot-candles. Light becomes more intense with an increase in lumens, which usually leads plants to grow more vigorously.

Light Intensity and Photosynthesis
As the intensity of light increases from around 100 foot-candles to about 2,500 foot-candles, photosynthesis in most plants generally increases in a straight line; as the intensity of light becomes more intense, plants grow more. Plants that use sunlight efficiently can increase their rate of photosynthesis with light of up to 10,000 foot-candles. A lack of light is a major reason why plants do poorly. The leaves of plants growing in low light intensity will scorch if they are moved into bright sunlight. As the protective wax content of their leaves increases, the plants will more easily tolerate the sun.



Read more: Relationship Between Plant Growth & Light Intensity | Garden Guides http://www.gardenguides.com/131549-relationship-between-plant-growth-light-intensity.html#ixzz2jmWbfTbY .

the grows with the t-5s I have done(veg only),gives me very good growth for 30 days from seed,at that point I switch to 2 400 mh.i have not flower out a plant with just t-5s,dont need to.
my flower room has 3 hps,and one 2ft t-5..i feel that one t-5 gives me all the blue I need.

Well at least you're all growing vert...makes up for the dinosaur HPS. I'm so glad I tried CMHs. Really opened my squinty red eyes to a whole new world.

How old is that article. All the university studies since 2006 differ from that article. The university studies from oxford university in the links on the page before that discuss all that .

no vert in this room.....

hyroot said:

How old is that article. All the university studies since 2006 differ from that article. The university studies from oxford university in the links on the page before that discuss all that .

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do not know,but not far off from them oxford articles I would think..^^that's another indagrow link,have any others?

RedCarpetMatches said:

Well at least you're all growing vert...makes up for the dinosaur HPS. I'm so glad I tried CMHs. Really opened my squinty red eyes to a whole new world.

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At least you appreciate this thread.... makes up for the subtle insults.

genuity said:

do not know,but not far off from them oxford articles I would think..^^that's another indagrow link,have any others?

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Chaz uses inda gro. He is brilliant with lighting. He spoke at several horticulture conventions. I saw him at the one palm desert. There were all kinds of people there with phd's . Most of it went over my head.

you are so anti inda gro but you believe the lies from I grow.

no way you already read the oxford studies. A few would take a few hours each to read. They definitely differ from the garden guides article.

did I say any of that?....one could say the same about you...right?.i go off of real word shit,i gots to see it,with my red eys..not someone trying to sell their light.

I have seen quite a bit with my own eyes. I've used CMH led and par t5 and hps. A buddy of mine uses inda gros and DIY led.. I would never in my life ever use hps again. I share my experiences. I even spoke of other companies that are good too. I grow has been caught and has had several law suits against them. Even growers house admits I grow paid them for testing. You choose to remain close minded and argue everything to death. Thats your choice. You are so pro i grow even though all induction has very little intensity..

for me I'm all about vert CMH.. Currently in using borrowed par t5 and cfls. I have huge dense buds.Since my cmh's and led's and the 1000 in the storage closet were stolen that's a i have. If it weren't for everyday bills i would have bought more cmh's already. I have to wait for harvest and go hit the clubs.

so you have seen the same clone grown under each one of the lights,a few times over?...so you think by me not jumping all over everything you say with a smile,and not questioning anything..just takeing your sole word..you think im trying to argue? can you post an all cmh grow? in flower,like late flowering. just asking..............I care less about I-grow,but im getting it to try out.you care to post links to these lawsuits?

genuity said:

goooooood nite,see how that bubble treats your dreams...

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Speaking of dreams I had some crazy ones last night.
I think we all love hybrids, but the ones in my dream were crazy. Half human and half turtle. Not like Ninja Turtles though lol.
I already forgot the other dreams.
I think it was all the keif I inhaled through the air coupled with my mystery kush used as a nite-cap.

genuity said:

so you have seen the same clone grown under each one of the lights,a few times over?...so you think by me not jumping all over everything you say with a smile,and not questioning anything..just takeing your sole word..you think im trying to argue? can you post an all cmh grow? in flower,like late flowering. just asking..............I care less about I-grow,but im getting it to try out.you care to post links to these lawsuits?

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I have seen same strains begged and flowered under all. I posted links a few pages back and so did other people.. Google the law suits. Its public. Florida hall of records I think. There's CMH grows all over riu. In led section. Indoor section. Organic section, subcool section. Grow design room or what ever section. and journal section

I've shown plenty to back up everything... Yes you are arguing. Everything you said isn't plausible. You aren't willing to read anything I supplied so do your own research. Waste your money I don't care. I shared knowledge that could improve your grow and save electricity. So take it or don't. No sweat off my back.

how would you know if I took a look at any of them links you posted? or better yet,i may have read them befor you even posted them...whats not "plausible"?..do you really know the def: of arguing?..i think what it states is what you are doing.not me..so do you have a all cmh grow? yes or no.

jigfresh said:

At least you appreciate this thread.... makes up for the subtle insults.

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This.... lol

time to go mix some soil. with some goodies.

Its science bitch! sorry Im still missing quite a few braincells.

jigfresh said:

At least you appreciate this thread.... makes up for the subtle insults.

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I really don't care what bulbs people use. I'm more interested in trying vert for the first time and smiling from some of these comments. Shorties in the front...tall giraffe bitches in the back.