Coco Growers Unite!

LesterBurnum

LesterBurnum

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That's one of the amazing attributes about coco is that it retains sooo much air, even with an immediate watering, that the roots just drink all the O2 and nutes they can. Amazing root growth! you won't be disappointed Torn! Good luck and welcome!
 
jberry

jberry

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LesterBurnum said:
That's one of the amazing attributes about coco is that it retains sooo much air, even with an immediate watering, that the roots just drink all the O2 and nutes they can. Amazing root growth! you won't be disappointed Torn! Good luck and welcome!
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yea, coco can hold ten times its weight in water but whats amazing is that it can still contain 23% oxygen withen the medium... it also releases humic and other benificial acids and has natural fungal resisting properties and beneficial fungi like Trichoderma (unless the manufacturer steamed the coco as their cleansing process which would kill all microbes, good or bad... B'Cuzz Coco is one that comes to mind that steams, but there are many other companies steaming their mediums but the good/smart ones re-inoculate the medium which replaces the microbes killed by steaming.) :leaf:
 
t0rn

t0rn

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When I transplanted today into the new coco I added some great white shark to the veg mix to promote a live soil. The hydro shop gave me a free sample of the stuff.
 
t0rn

t0rn

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:?: How long should I expect to wait on watering a 2 gallon pot again? The plant isn't very well established and it was watered well when transplanted.

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generalchaos

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Has anyone used Dutch Master gold line with coco? Im about to drop my DWC setup and go back to soil, or try coco. Coco sounds like its worth a shot but I keep reading to use nutes made for it.

Is the coco growth rate really that much faster then soil? Anyone have pics of the difference?
 
vdubb808

vdubb808

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t0rn said:
:?: How long should I expect to wait on watering a 2 gallon pot again? The plant isn't very well established and it was watered well when transplanted.

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The stronger and healthier the plant could make a difference on how often to water. It also depends on the size of pot you t-planted into. I use a 3 gallon pot and usually water every 4 days. Sometimes I wait 3 days. My clones which are in small rooting pots I have to water every 2 days. If I wait 3 days to water my clones, the really vigorous growers have depleted the water and sucked the coco dry to the point where they tell me to water them ASAP. Seriously, they let me know when they are hungry or thirsty. The whole plant will just droop by the 3rd day.

So you just got to watch and see how much it's growing. The more it grows the more often I feed.
 
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r3dn3ck

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Coco grow has been AWESOME for me. First time using it, fairly new to growing in general. Way easier to be successful with it than dirt and the plants do grow way faster. It's also so hard to overwater it's silly and it's not dirt so no bugs.

I don't know about using something made for coco specifically but you do want a complete nutrient set for hydroponic growing. Coco has no nutrient value so while it looks like dirt and walks like dirt and feels like dirt it's still hydroponics and you need to attend to the nutes as such. I use Botanicare Pure Blend Pro-Grow + Cal-Mag and add General Hydroponics Flora Bloom for flowering. With a little seltzer water for leaf feeding. I barely ever have to adjust my water PH if I use the nute strength on the bottle. When I richen the mix during flower cycle I have to bring the pH up a tad usually. Figure you'll need a quart of each for each 2-4 plants per grow including veg. That's what mine eat. I can water every day but usually do it every other day to keep the moisture levels reasonable.

I mixed coco + perlite (quite a bit of perlite... about 30% ) and laid that over a bed of 1 inch gravel in the bottom of a 18 gallon roughneck bin. So far I'm amazed every day at how fast those buggers grow. Make sure you get nutrients with micro's in them... (copper, boron, manganese, magnesium, calcium, etc...) and not just NPK. I like the nute set I use for that. It's pretty complete and so far with it I've had no burning even with fairly rich mixes.

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As far as when to water, I use my moisture meter. When it shows up in the 1.9-2.5 range (it's a 0-4 scale (dessicated, dryish, moist, wet) I water. I can actually see the color change in the coco...it stops looking wet at the top. When I see half the top of the coco looking dry I do a meter check and then water it if the check shows it needs it. Usually every 3-5 days for my vegging plants and every 1-2 days for the flowering plants.
 
LesterBurnum

LesterBurnum

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r3dn3ck said:
Coco grow has been AWESOME for me. First time using it, fairly new to growing in general. Way easier to be successful with it than dirt and the plants do grow way faster. It's also so hard to overwater it's silly and it's not dirt so no bugs.

I don't know about using something made for coco specifically but you do want a complete nutrient set for hydroponic growing. Coco has no nutrient value so while it looks like dirt and walks like dirt and feels like dirt it's still hydroponics and you need to attend to the nutes as such. I use Botanicare Pure Blend Pro-Grow + Cal-Mag and add General Hydroponics Flora Bloom for flowering. With a little seltzer water for leaf feeding. I barely ever have to adjust my water PH if I use the nute strength on the bottle. When I richen the mix during flower cycle I have to bring the pH up a tad usually. Figure you'll need a quart of each for each 2-4 plants per grow including veg. That's what mine eat. I can water every day but usually do it every other day to keep the moisture levels reasonable.

I mixed coco + perlite (quite a bit of perlite... about 30% ) and laid that over a bed of 1 inch gravel in the bottom of a 18 gallon roughneck bin. So far I'm amazed every day at how fast those buggers grow. Make sure you get nutrients with micro's in them... (copper, boron, manganese, magnesium, calcium, etc...) and not just NPK. I like the nute set I use for that. It's pretty complete and so far with it I've had no burning even with fairly rich mixes.

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As far as when to water, I use my moisture meter. When it shows up in the 1.9-2.5 range (it's a 0-4 scale (dessicated, dryish, moist, wet) I water. I can actually see the color change in the coco...it stops looking wet at the top. When I see half the top of the coco looking dry I do a meter check and then water it if the check shows it needs it. Usually every 3-5 days for my vegging plants and every 1-2 days for the flowering plants.
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Redneck,
I used the exact same Botanicare nutes from previous Aero grows and then switched to Canna. I tell you what I thought my plants were doing good before the Canna line, but once I switched to coco specific nutes I couldn't believe the difference. Just my two cents bro but they grow so much more vigorous and healthier with coco specific nutes, imho. Anyone else tried this or seen the same?
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generalchaos

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sounds like I should be good with DM gold nutes then. Why add perlite though? I thought coco is supposed to stay pretty aerated.


So can anyone for sure say if the plants grow faster in coco compared to soil? thats my decision maker
 
Saltrock

Saltrock

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Once you get a couple nodes going and the roots get developed you will have amazing growth. I am almost 100% sure that the growth in coco is way faster then soil. The only reason I say "100% almost sure" is cause I have never grown soil, but ive heard its pretty slow. I personally don't think perlite is necessary.

Peace
SALT
 
nas2007

nas2007

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hey boys. im 3 weeks into flowering and i was wondering is it time to start using the canna pk? and one more thing i know that im 3 weeks into flowering can i still start canna boost will it affeckt my plants starting this late? thanks for any help
 
LesterBurnum

LesterBurnum

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generalchaos said:
sounds like I should be good with DM gold nutes then. Why add perlite though? I thought coco is supposed to stay pretty aerated.


So can anyone for sure say if the plants grow faster in coco compared to soil? thats my decision maker
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General,
I have an Ice plant going in soil with my other coco's and it's no where near as fast. I had it soil from clone and decided to run it side by side and it's no contest. Just my two cents bro!
I have grown crops in soil before and coco is so much faster. I think that the coco holds so much more oxygen that they plants can just drink amazing amounts which turns into growth.
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t0rn

t0rn

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Quick question, do any of you use coco for cloning? I have my rockwool around but I thought I'd ask the question.
 
vdubb808

vdubb808

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I use coco for my clones right now. From cutting to t-planting. But I will start cloning using an aero type of cloner on my next cuttings, so I won't put my new cuttings into a coco plug to start my roots.

I haven't had a high success ratio, which is why I will start using the aero type of cloner. But I have a feeling my success ratio was low because of my conditions and method of rooting my cuttings and not the coco.
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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ok i was able to get some pics the first three are in veg, the fourth one is a mother and the last two are in flower. any help would be greatly appreciated. i was doing some reading last night and there are a lot of similar symptoms with alot of the deficiencies. but i did kinda came to a few conclusions, and maybe some one can tell me if im right or wrong.
#1 i havent had alot of run off lately, could a build up of salts cause the lockout of certian nutrients to cause these problems.

#2 Ph and Chlorine, i use Canna Coco and their nutes allow for the use of regular tap water. up until now i havent had any problems like this, so here lately i havent really been worried about Ph'ing my water or letting it sit so whatever amount of chlorine(if any) is in it can evaporate. could the ph being too high or low cause these issues? could chlorine levels in the water cause this? agian like i said any help would be grealy appreciated, thanks.


PEACE!!!
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Saltrock

Saltrock

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ZEN MASTER said:
#1 i havent had alot of run off lately, could a build up of salts cause the lockout of certian nutrients to cause these problems.
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Sure, I imagine with the lack of run off could be the problem. I dunno if drip clean could help remove any of those salts.

ZEN MASTER said:
so here lately i havent really been worried about Ph'ing my water or letting it sit so whatever amount of chlorine(if any) is in it can evaporate.
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Were you doing all these things before? like letting the water sit for the chlorine to evaporate? Got to ph your water bro, come on you know that.

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could chlorine levels in the water cause this?
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Ive always wondered this question myself. I would assume that chlorine kills, so when you water with chlorinated water I thought it might kill the beneficial bacteria in your medium. My first first coco grow I did 3 gallons distilled and 2 gallons tap ratio and fed the plants right after making the batch and had a perfect grow. I mean no lower leaves even turned yellow, stems stayed green and didn't turn purple. But obviously that can get pricey, so i bought a small boy hydro logic filter with the dechlorinater attachment. I mix up the same ratios and don't have a problem so maybe a diluted amount of chlorine may not be enough to kill your medium. But maybe using straight tap water and not letting it sit and feeding is having an effect. Also I heard using airstones speeds up the process of getting the chlorine out.

I would say your best bet is trying to do a low ppm flush with dechlorinated water with good run off and see what happens. I don't think it can hurt. gl dude.

Peace
SALT
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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Saltrock said:
Were you doing all these things before? like letting the water sit for the chlorine to evaporate? Got to ph your water bro, come on you know that.


WELL NOT FOR LIKE THE PAST TWO YEARS. BUT EVRYTHING HAS BEEN WELL, THATS WHY IM SO LIKE "I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO". i will try the flush . i did one already with a small percentage of nutes, and some Cal-mg. thanks man


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
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Saltrock

Saltrock

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ZEN MASTER said:
WELL NOT FOR LIKE THE PAST TWO YEARS. BUT EVRYTHING HAS BEEN WELL, THATS WHY IM SO LIKE "I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO". i will try the flush . i did one already with a small percentage of nutes, and some Cal-mg. thanks
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Weird all of a sudden things stop working for you after two years of the same routine. Are you using canna coco by any chance?

Peace
SALT
 
vdubb808

vdubb808

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ZEN MASTER said:
ok i was able to get some pics the first three are in veg, the fourth one is a mother and the last two are in flower. any help would be greatly appreciated. i was doing some reading last night and there are a lot of similar symptoms with alot of the deficiencies. but i did kinda came to a few conclusions, and maybe some one can tell me if im right or wrong.
#1 i havent had alot of run off lately, could a build up of salts cause the lockout of certian nutrients to cause these problems.

#2 Ph and Chlorine, i use Canna Coco and their nutes allow for the use of regular tap water. up until now i havent had any problems like this, so here lately i havent really been worried about Ph'ing my water or letting it sit so whatever amount of chlorine(if any) is in it can evaporate. could the ph being too high or low cause these issues? could chlorine levels in the water cause this? agian like i said any help would be grealy appreciated, thanks.


PEACE!!!
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#1 sounds like it very possible, a flush wouldn't hurt.

I always, let my tap water sit over night with an air stone. I'm not sure if it helps, but it makes me feel better. I know chlorine would not be good.

I was also told that when the plants are flowering it's normal for the leaves to not be as healthy. Because the plant has reached it's end cycle in it's life and focuses it's energy into it's flower or buds, since that is how it reproduces. Makes sense to me, but i'm not sure if it's true. In nature reproducing is survival and survival is all that matters, right.

As for the little guys showing deficiencies, I'm not sure. Have you had any pest problems lately ?
 
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