College looks more & more like a con

rollinbud

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College looks more & more like a con
By MAGGIE GALLAGHER
Last Updated: 1:39 AM, June 30, 2012
Posted: 11:50 PM, June 29, 2012

What is college really worth?

A lot of people are asking that question — and it’s the cover story of this month’s Utne Reader magazine.

My older son is 30, and my younger is 17. I’m hoping both escape from the consequences of graduating into this terrible economy, which is going to dampen the value of not only a college degree, but of all those graduate degrees parents are paying for (and students are borrowing on) for decades to come.

The companion piece to the Utne Reader story is called “The PhD Now Comes With Food Stamps.” It highlights the plight of adjunct professors who require food stamps to get by. Melissa Bruninga-Matteau, for one, is a 43-year-old white single mother who teaches two courses in humanities at Yavapai College in Prescott, Ariz. She never expected to be on food stamps. Somehow, she imagined her PhD in medieval history was a guaranteed ticket to the middle class.

Another college teacher in Florida is married with two kids. He’s a graduate student in film studies at Florida State University. Somehow, he hasn’t yet processed that a married father of two probably shouldn’t be getting an advanced degree in film studies. I’m not sure anybody should, actually.

Utne sees this as a plea for paying college teachers even more. I see it as an indictment of colleges making money by enrolling students for whom there is no plausible career path.

My sons are lucky. We (my husband and I and our parents) were able to pay for college. My older son graduated with money in the bank, not debt. He spent years as a starving artist, but once he began to make money, his economic situation was quickly transformed into a situation of building capital, not paying for his college degrees until he’s 40.

I’m pretty sure that if I couldn’t afford to pay for my children’s college, I’d advise them to live at home, go to community college for two years and then to two years of state school. Pay tuition as you go.

Parents don’t charge rent. (Mom will throw in doing your laundry, no extra charge.) Save the Ivy League dream for graduate school, if you’ve made the grades to get into an Ivy grad school. (If not, don’t go.)

Since both my husband and I are Yale graduates, it’s kind of shocking to me that I think this. But the truth is that as loans have become available and every teen is encouraged to borrow money and go to college, the costs of college have skyrocketed out of proportion to the reasonable return.

The average cost of room, board and tuition at a public university is seven times what it was when I went to Yale, according to the Utne Reader.

Yes, a college degree is “worth it” in general terms. It’s just not worth going $50,000 into debt at the age of 22 to achieve.

There’s got to be a better way. The culture of debt being created for college grads will affect them for years to come.

Colleges have become complicit in teaching teens bad financial lessons that hurt their ability to make it. According to the Utne Reader, at least 700 colleges have contracts with banks to market credit cards to students. About nine in 10 students use credit cards to help pay their education expenses.

The average college student now has 4.6 credit cards. I’m 51, and I have two.


We’re going to see a lot more generational cris de couer, like the hilarious viral YouTube music video “The Ivy League Hustle (I Went to Princeton, B----!).” Overlaying its sexual complaint by elite women about the men they have to date, there’s an amazing riff on the anomalous position of the overeducated artist, trying to persuade himself or herself that being economically marginal is a sign of moral superiority.

Borrowing more to pay for colleges that raise their tuition so they can enroll more film-studies majors?

That is madness, and it has to stop.

Maggie Gallagher is the founder of the National Organization for Marriage.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/college_looks_more_more_like_con_2apzJY0IdZALDLx62xiMbM#ixzz1zGjpNwLu
 

WaxxyNuggets

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50k in debt? I'm agreeing with her, but without any financial support, the local university for instate tuition is around 18k a year, and for the area, thats on the cheaper side. I think she were being conservative side unless someone lives in the boonies. Factor in room and board, shit's outrageous! Have friends that will be paying until they're 40, and without a job market, they just stay in school, because financial aid will allow them to take out more loans for higher degrees.
 

desert dude

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The government subsidizes something and it skyrockets in price, who would have thought it?

Offer up free money to dumb 18 year old kids, and you wind up with a generation of 24 year old kids with $100K in debt and a degree in Social Science, who would have thought it?

The obvious solution to this problem is to inflate the bubble a little further. These 40 year old kids just need government support.
 

redivider

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this article disgusts me.

everybody deserves entry into the middle class. the idea that we MUST relegate certain disciplines to poverty just for the hell of it is outrageous. in the 1970s a recently hired meat packer, 1st day on the job, zero experience could expect the equivalent of a 70k per year salary.

we have to stop thinking that having a large and comfortable middle class with good quality of life will somehow hurt us. everybody deserves to earn a living and not depend on the government. with cost of living and stagnant wages the population doesn't have a choice.
 

JustAnotherHead

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this article disgusts me.

everybody deserves entry into the middle class. the idea that we MUST relegate certain disciplines to poverty just for the hell of it is outrageous. in the 1970s a recently hired meat packer, 1st day on the job, zero experience could expect the equivalent of a 70k per year salary.

we have to stop thinking that having a large and comfortable middle class with good quality of life will somehow hurt us. everybody deserves to earn a living and not depend on the government. with cost of living and stagnant wages the population doesn't have a choice.
Everybody deserves a BMW M5.
 

Dwezelitsame

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the sad part is they are graduating by the hundreds thousands
sum colleges twice a year coast to coast now on the internet night school

and ther is no jobs out here now
so the degree gets waterd down
i had a supervisr job in NYC for major telecumincations company
wit just high school im now retired

in the future college degree holders will be stocking shelves in the supermarket
no jobs and flooded market

no one taking trades
loosing craftmanship no repairs just throw away

all bull


nutin behind the doller


we are falling fast and cant get up


this U S of A used to be sumtin
 

Dwezelitsame

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in days of old college guranteed a certain level of life
of car
of home

no just gurantees big debt
and no job


better to buy a new vet stingray
put it on blocks insted paying tuition for son
then in 20 years pull it out the gurage shine it up
get triple yo mone from j leno an peeps like dat

instaed of payyng down the drain for tuition
 

Cut.Throat.

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A girl where I works is over 25,000 in debt from college. She went and got an art degree. Now she honestly expects the government to just pay her debt off. It disgusts me.

No one is forcing you to go to school. I'd rather learn how to fix cars from the greasemonkey in my local garage then going to school for it.

Thousands upon thousands of dollars for a piece of paper with your name on it. Disgusting.
 

nontheist

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Guys its obvious that credentials does not replace intellect. Our colleges are shitting out stupid kids that couldn't find their ass with both hands, I laugh when they go to the colleges ask kids basic fucking questions that they cant answer. Then they have the nerve to talk politics and don't even know what the fuck they're saying, look at occupy wall street, largest group of stupid people I have seen in a while no one is on the same page, you cant get the same answer out of two of them its fucking ridiculous.
 

StevenSD420

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Lol, colleges aren't the problem, it's people picking the bullshit majors that's the problem.

Instead of film studies, and any other media bullshit degree; you could get a civil engineer degree, social degree, computer science degree and so on. College ain't bullshit if you know what you're doing and understand what it really is - a tool for your first step to an actual career.

Everyone with an entry level job that talks shit about college only makes themselves look more like a fool.
 

londonfog

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LOL...yup you guys tell your kids that college is a con and that they have no need to go. I will do the opposite..Good luck

Do you guys want to hear what college has done for me and my wife's way of life ????
 

Cut.Throat.

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LOL...yup you guys tell your kids that college is a con and that they have no need to go. I will do the opposite..Good luck

Do you guys want to hear what college has done for me and my wife's way of life ????
Depends. When did you graduate? And what are your degrees in?
 

StevenSD420

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LOL...yup you guys tell your kids that college is a con and that they have no need to go. I will do the opposite..Good luck

Do you guys want to hear what college has done for me and my wife's way of life ????
They only focus on people who get degrees that are in job fields that aren't hiring at the moment; usually the media arts, etc (still a small ass percent too compared to overall numbers). They don't want to hear from the people who go/went for a real degree and a real career.
 
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