Colorado Med Growers, Unite

riddleme said:

they are looking great Danny you certainly EARNED em

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Thanks man. I really put in some overtime yesterday....... Cleaned everything out of the room, sprayed all the plants with Neem, collected all the live lady bugs and tossed the dead ones, sprayed everything in the room including both sides of mylar, removed the make shift wall at the back of the closet to open it all up, cleaned everything, put the mylar back except for the floor mylar (bad idea with lady bugs), taped all sides of the mylar so lady bugs can't hide behind it, pulled 50 clones, sprayed the plants a seconed time & put them back.

I just slept for 12 hours and my back is killing me. lol

I still have to treat 2 more times before I start flowering, and at least 1 more time before selling any clones.

BTW, they've been growing about 1/2" per day average, and the two in 10 gallon containers are asking for more water only 2 days after the last watering. I'll be transplanting the rest on Tues or Wed.

Hi from Denver.

I found this thread thanks to riddleme who directed me here while I was asking newb Q's on the newb forum.

I have another newb Q:



First, a parable explaining my philosophy on spending decisions, in terms of both money and time:

I first started smoking herb in papers, then I got a pipe, then another, and another, then a bong, a bubbler, then nicer bongs and bubblers, then I got into vapes, then I got into good vapes, and now most of the time I get high I take fat vapor rips from my silver surfer through my custom SYN Showercap. The surfer and the showercap, plus accessories, combined to cost about $2000. But I have $5k+ worth of other glass and vapes that I never use anymore and wish I had never purchased. If I'd known then what I know now, you know?

So that brings me to my point. I made a post in the newb forum stating the size of the grow op I wanted to create, and mostly got inundated with posts telling me I was not ready, inexperienced, biting off more than I could chew, etc. etc. I know all that. But I don't want to waste money and time on a setup that I know I will end up changing once I'm experienced enough to know what I want. I want to hit the ground running with equipment that will serve me well and I can go on and learn from there.

So if you could do it all over again, start from scratch with a generous budget and wanted to start an indoor grow with about 10-15 flowering plants plants at any one time, how would you do it? What equipment would you buy? I figure I'll ask all of your advice on what type of setup to get, then I can narrow my research. This forum is a beast.

Cheers in advance. If you are gracious enough to help me, don't walk me through it. I will learn what I need to learn on my own, I'm just looking for a place to get started.
If you want to make a post calling me a stupid newb, don't bother. I know I am.

P.S. density of growing area is not a huge issue but space is not unlimited.

DannyGreenEyes said:

The only way I wont make that much is if the dispensories isn't paying half of retail for medicine. That's what I thought they meant. But here is the math, and I was being conservative.......

8 plants at 3/4 lb each is 6lbs every 2 months.
6 lbs is 96oz.
96oz. is 384 qtrs.
At half retail ($120 x .5 = $60) that's $23,040
$23,040 x 6 (every 2 months) = $138,240 not including any thing I make from clones.

The only way I'm not going to make at least $120k a yr is if the dispensories aren't willing to pay half of retail which is a general rule of retail (your local chain & mom n pop retailers are making no more than 100% profit on anything they sell)

And since I see dispensories advertising their need for medicine, I'm thinking I'll get 50% of retail, unless someone knows something that I don't.

P.S. If I can start getting 4lbs per plant, I'll be a millionaire in no time. lol

P.S.S. Those nubers are based on 8 plant harvests which is max for my walk in closet (7' x 4.5' x 8' tall) and my 20 plant license. Once I start making money I plan on taking on patients in order to grow more plants, and renting a bigger place to grow (either a small warehouse or a basement of a bigger house) so my profits should get bigger over time.

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The CO growers world is about to change...like I said before. Senator Romer and Law Enforcement are still pushing that bill.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14145589#ixzz0c2Ezo4Zv

Rohmer just got bitch slapped read this
https://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana/281912-colorado-growers-our-days-could-6.html#post3633732

this is one good lawyer and it is clear that rohmer is in for a fight

and to Don I answered what I would do in your noob thread

Thanks man.

And everyone is worried about CO mmj laws going back to the way they were, but I'm not. They didn't in CA, and remember this: A few years ago, over 40% of the state voted to make MJ completely legal. For everybody. And many who voted against that bill would still vote yes for mmj.

Chill out people. Prices may hit the floor, but we won't lose our smoke.

dondraper said:

Hi from Denver.

I found this thread thanks to riddleme who directed me here while I was asking newb Q's on the newb forum.

I have another newb Q:



First, a parable explaining my philosophy on spending decisions, in terms of both money and time:

I first started smoking herb in papers, then I got a pipe, then another, and another, then a bong, a bubbler, then nicer bongs and bubblers, then I got into vapes, then I got into good vapes, and now most of the time I get high I take fat vapor rips from my silver surfer through my custom SYN Showercap. The surfer and the showercap, plus accessories, combined to cost about $2000. But I have $5k+ worth of other glass and vapes that I never use anymore and wish I had never purchased. If I'd known then what I know now, you know?

So that brings me to my point. I made a post in the newb forum stating the size of the grow op I wanted to create, and mostly got inundated with posts telling me I was not ready, inexperienced, biting off more than I could chew, etc. etc. I know all that. But I don't want to waste money and time on a setup that I know I will end up changing once I'm experienced enough to know what I want. I want to hit the ground running with equipment that will serve me well and I can go on and learn from there.

So if you could do it all over again, start from scratch with a generous budget and wanted to start an indoor grow with about 10-15 flowering plants plants at any one time, how would you do it? What equipment would you buy? I figure I'll ask all of your advice on what type of setup to get, then I can narrow my research. This forum is a beast.

Cheers in advance. If you are gracious enough to help me, don't walk me through it. I will learn what I need to learn on my own, I'm just looking for a place to get started.
If you want to make a post calling me a stupid newb, don't bother. I know I am.

P.S. density of growing area is not a huge issue but space is not unlimited.

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Unlimited growing space? I'm green with envy. lol

Lights = 1,000w HIDs with vented cool tubes or A/C cooled hoods.

Veg room = 2 MH & 1 HPS

Flower room = 3 HPS & 1 MH

Soil = Fox Farm Light Warrior

Fertilizer = Dyna-Gro (Grow, Folliage Feed, & Bloom), they have all the minor nutes but is a chemical based nute, so soil with organic nutes shouldn't be used.

Protection = mite/thrip screens on all intakes & exhausts with Lady Bugs for extra protection. About 1,500 Lady bugs for every 2 plants.

Also, always change into fresh clothes after coming in from the outside before entering flower, veg, or rooting rooms.

CO2 machine.

Electronic pH tester

20/4 veg light schedule

Try to keep veg temp between 72 & 80. Temp drop when lights go off should be between 10 & 20 degrees.

Feed folliage when lights go off, get one of those lights you can hang on your ear. Get one from the grow store, it uses a light spectrum the plants can't see.

Start in 16 oz cups, then 5 gallon container, then 10, then 20.

Treat soil with Mycorrhiza and retreat during each transplant.

Use bottled spring water, or possibly bottle drinking water (I'm testing it now)

pH up & down to adjust water pH to 6.3 to 6.5

Use soil with a 6.5 to 7.0 pH

When making pots put a sheet of newspaper over the drain holes. It helps when carrying the planters so you don't have a mess to clean up, and it helps protect your soil from soil bugs & worms.

That's all I can think of right now. Hope it helps.

MacGuyver4.2.0 said:

The CO growers world is about to change...like I said before. Senator Romer and Law Enforcement are still pushing that bill.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14145589#ixzz0c2Ezo4Zv

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I actually think that dispensories should be more regulated. They should all have to employ armed guards & have one of those little entrances with a receptionist behind bullet proof glass. If the thefts continue it's gonna make life harder on us all

The only thing in that article that concerned me was the idea tha dispensories could be outlawed. Althouth 5 patients at 6 plants each would give me 30 plant limits instead of 20, I hate the idea of dealing with the 3am emergency calls, delivering in the snow, dealing with people who want dimes or need credit, etc..... Too many headaches.

But like I said, I'm staying mobile because we don't really know what the new bill may say or even if it's gonna be passed. Don't forget, every state has it's own laws so if they ever pass a law here that I don't like, there's still about 12 other states to choose from, and that number continues to grow.

riddleme said:

Rohmer just got bitch slapped read this
https://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana/281912-colorado-growers-our-days-could-6.html#post3633732

this is one good lawyer and it is clear that rohmer is in for a fight

and to Don I answered what I would do in your noob thread

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Good find. +rep

It's too long to read right now though, I'll try to read it tonight.

And I'm really not worried as long as the bills being drafted by a dem under the Obama admin. Obama may not legalize, but he sees that they boost to our economy is needed.

I don't want to get political, but if it were being drafted by a Rep under say the Bush admin, or the possible future Palin admin, I'd already be planning on moving. lol

riddleme said:

Rohmer just got bitch slapped read this
https://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana/281912-colorado-growers-our-days-could-6.html#post3633732

this is one good lawyer and it is clear that rohmer is in for a fight

and to Don I answered what I would do in your noob thread

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...But Rob Corry ROCKS!
nice find!

Thanks Danny +rep

MacGuyver4.2.0 said:

...But Rob Corry ROCKS!
nice find!

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That email is not mine I merely linked to from that thread everyone here should subscribe to that thread I have, it's full of great info

and yeah after seeing that I'm not inclined to worry about Rohmer

You have to figure your yield as a % of your lighting. The figure you are using of 3/4 lb per plant is crazy unless you are using 1 600W per plant and vegging for months.

Figure your yield at about .5 grams per watt and you should be able to get there without to much trouble.

dondraper said:

Thanks Danny +rep

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No problem. One thing I forgot to mention, put mylar over everything you can. (except the run off trays of course, and don't put it over your reflectors)

If you're using lady bugs, then tape all sides of the mylar so the lady bugs can't get behind or under it.

Good luck, and may all of your green girls become monsters.

doogleef said:

You have to figure your yield as a % of your lighting. The figure you are using of 3/4 lb per plant is crazy unless you are using 1 600W per plant and vegging for months.

Figure your yield at about .5 grams per watt and you should be able to get there without to much trouble.

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I'm using three 400w bulbs on 7 plants.

I made that estimation based on the growth I've seen so far, and ever since I started using the Mycorrhiza the growth has exploded compared to the growth before it.

That formula may be accurate for normal growth, but when you treat the roots with Mycorrhiza I beleive all the rules change.

Like with watering for example, I just gave the two in 10gal containers a half gallon each the day before yesterday and they were already begging for more. I just gave them each a gallon and they're already starting to perk up. And there's barely anything in the run off trays.

Water & nute intake is at least equally as important as light. Plus I plan on upgrading to three 1,000w bulbs when I get some cash from the harvest for my flower room and I'll probably use the three 400w bulbs to veg. until I can upgrade them. I'm also gonna need bigger rooms I'm just finding out.

The guy that had the thread on 4lb yeilds used a hell of a lot of lights & hydro. I have to find his thread again to study it and find some answers.

DannyGreenEyes said:

I saw a thread on a different site where a guy claimed to be getting almost 4lbs a plant.

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And everything you read online is completely truthful right?

They're 8 weeks old today so I should be putting them into flower, but I'm going to wait a week or two to make sure the Broad Mites are toast. Plus I still have to transplant 5 of them into 10 gallon containers. (I think the 10 gallon containers is actually bigger than 10 gallon, it's taking too much added soil to be 10 gallon)

And even with all those problems, this newbie is planning on getting 1/2lb to 3/4lb per plant.

1 lb isn't impossible, it just depends on the grower and the techniques being used.

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Once you get a few harvests under your belt you will see the folly of this. Let us know how you are doing in 6 months time.

DannyGreenEyes said:

The only way I wont make that much is if the dispensories isn't paying half of retail for medicine. That's what I thought they meant. But here is the math, and I was being conservative.......

8 plants at 3/4 lb each is 6lbs every 2 months.
6 lbs is 96oz.
96oz. is 384 qtrs.
At half retail ($120 x .5 = $60) that's $23,040
$23,040 x 6 (every 2 months) = $138,240 not including any thing I make from clones.

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Figure wholesale at 250/ oz. The other figures I've already addressed.

I also have a question for everyone........

On 12-29 I was still having some problems with the Rapid Rooter so I tried a new method someone else had suggested......

Soil in 16oz cups with sarran wrap over the top, opening once a day to let them breath and to spray the leaves.

Sounds like a workable method even though that's a lot of work for 40 clones. But I used too much water when I first watered and I have to dry them out some.

I was able to pour some out by tilting the cups and applying gentle pressure to the sides of the cups, but I didn't drain enough so I'm trying the only thing I could think of......

I opened a new heating pad with no thermostat and I took the sarran wrap off of 15 of them and put them on the mat. I'll check them every hour or so and put the sarran wrap back on when I see some start to wilt. I figure this way maybe I can evaporate some of the extra moisture. The room temp is 70 degrees below the lights which I'm hoping will help to keep them from wilting as quickly.

Here's the question, is this a bone head play, or a good move?

doogleef said:

And everything you read online is completely truthful right?


Once you get a few harvests under your belt you will see the folly of this. Let us know how you are doing in 6 months time.


Figure wholesale at 250/ oz. The other figures I've already addressed.

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Of course not, but this thread had pics, and those plants looked like X-mas trees, no exageration. It's on thcfarmer.com, but they keep moving the addys of the threads so it's no longer at the same addy that I saved to favorites, I have to try to find it when I have extra time.

6 months? It's only gonna take 2 months to flower. And if I can get 1/2 to 3/4 of a lb from this harvest, I know I can consistantly get 3/4 of a lb when everything goes right (or atleast not soo many things go wrong).

Yeah, my numbers are based on half of $120 per qtr which is about $240 an oz. so $250 would be even better.

Quick question though. You seem to have a lot of experience and are talking from experience so I respect your opinions, but I have to ask. Have you ever treated your roots with anything?

Putting them in a cup with saran over it is the same as a humidome. Only needed for the first couple days if at all (I don't use a dome at all and I have not lost a clone in over a year.) The heat mats w/o thermo are good unless the ambient temp gets above about 80. The heat mat will raise the rootzone temp about 10-15 degrees above current. If the current is 70 thats great. If the current is 85 then you got issues and need to pack it away, see?

doogleef said:

Putting them in a cup with saran over it is the same as a humidome. Only needed for the first couple days if at all (I don't use a dome at all and I have not lost a clone in over a year.) The heat mats w/o thermo are good unless the ambient temp gets above about 80. The heat mat will raise the rootzone temp about 10-15 degrees above current. If the current is 70 thats great. If the current is 85 then you got issues and need to pack it away, see?

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Thanks for the help, +rep

I'm only going to have the extra heat mat till Tues though, then I'll be using it for a second Rapid Rooter, I found a great method of using the rapid rooter. No lie, I get up to 3" & 4" roots in 5 days. I tried this other method before I figured out the RR and I don't want to just throw away 40 clippings. But I have to dry out the soil somehow, it's just too wet to grow or root. And I have to dry it out enough by Tuesday, I can't afford another heat mat right now.

P.S. If I already posted these pics here, sorry about that.

DannyGreenEyes said:

Of course not, but this thread had pics, and those plants looked like X-mas trees, no exageration. It's on thcfarmer.com, but they keep moving the addys of the threads so it's no longer at the same addy that I saved to favorites, I have to try to find it when I have extra time.

6 months? It's only gonna take 2 months to flower. And if I can get 1/2 to 3/4 of a lb from this harvest, I know I can consistantly get 3/4 of a lb when everything goes right (or atleast not soo many things go wrong).

Yeah, my numbers are based on half of $120 per qtr which is about $240 an oz. so $250 would be even better.

Quick question though. You seem to have a lot of experience and are talking from experience so I respect your opinions, but I have to ask. Have you ever treated your roots with anything?

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I said 6 months so you have a chance to go through a couple times. Treating roots, you mean with myco? Yea. Copper too. I'm actually considering changing to the smart pots as they work really well. All these things help to a degree but they are not miracle workers. You will never push the plant past its genetic boundaries. Period.

Indoors, I'm begging you to stop calculating your yield per plant. That an outdoor mindset. Indoors its about canopy and wattage. You can create a good canopy with 1 plant or 12 in the same space. Just a matter of veg time. Figure your yield as a % of your lighting. Pro growers reach for 1 gram per watt. The HUGE majority get much closer to 1/2 gram per watt.