Common sense gun control!

NoDrama said:
That is hilarious considering no assault rifles are big nor powerful.

The most common Assault rifle on earth has 7 pounds of recoil. Ak-47 shooting a 7.62.39mm projectile
The AR-15 shoots a 5.56mm (.22) caliber bullet and has 4 pounds of recoil

On the other hand, my elk rifle, a Browning BAR in .338 ultra ( a common round) shoots a projectile 5 times the size and exerts 41 pounds of recoil energy.
The most common hunting caliber, the 30-06 exerts 18 pounds of recoil.

Assault rifles are small caliber, easily carried lightweight semi auto rifles that have an extended capacity.

In no way are they big or powerful, not even the real assault rifles that are fully automatic.

Real life isn't a video game.
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I don't think you understood what I meant by "big" or "powerful." I meant big in the sense of larger than a handgun; I meant powerful in the sense of capable of shooting a lot. The fact that there are larger guns that can shoot bigger bullets at greater force means nothing to me.

The point of what I said was that the media image has resonated.
 
NoDrama said:
If you write a check, use your cc, or your check card, there is going to be a record too. Even if you buy a used gun at a gunshow.

You really worried about a gun show sale gun killing someone? Statistically none ever have. Misplaced fear? Perhaps you are just plain scared of certain inanimate objects, people have all sorts of phobias.

If you want a record its imperative to get a receipt, I always do and I own a bunch of firearms.
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Again, I don't really care about the record--I already said I had no opinion and it wasn't the point. Background checks are more significant, and I think everyone should be subject, no matter how the gun is sold.
 
tokeprep said:
You can probably see the difference in when I've lived. To me, "assault rifle" has always meant a big, powerful gun capable of semiautomatic fire. I've heard it used that way so much that I've never even looked at a technical definition until now. (I have no interest in guns aside from shooting Nazis in first person shooters and sensibly interpreting the Fourth Amendment.)
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That would be the difference between "assault rifle", a term of military art, and "assault weapon", an unword coined as a pejorative by antigunners. My opinion. cn
 
tokeprep said:
Again, I don't really care about the record--I already said I had no opinion and it wasn't the point. Background checks are more significant, and I think everyone should be subject, no matter how the gun is sold.
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Background checks didn't stop anyone from getting a gun. If someone wants to murder someone with a gun, getting the gun is the easiest part. There are over 150 million guns in the USA, and no one has any idea who has what. Hell just buy a gun from a private sale or a garage sale. They aren't required to fill out any forms either.

Background checks have little value in keeping anyone safe. If you think that they do, well I am afraid reality might not be your thing. Can you name any gun incident in which a background check would have helped?
 
tokeprep said:
I don't think you understood what I meant by "big" or "powerful." I meant big in the sense of larger than a handgun; I meant powerful in the sense of capable of shooting a lot. The fact that there are larger guns that can shoot bigger bullets at greater force means nothing to me.

The point of what I said was that the media image has resonated.
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Big and powerful have new meanings now? God! and this whole time I thought big meant large and powerful meant, well, full of power.

What do you call things that really are big and powerful? Super ginormous and all supreme? That's probably what you would call my penis.

PS I got a super soaker squirt gun that shoots alot and is way bigger than a handgun, must be "Big and Powerful" in your book.

anyone ever tell you that you are easy to impress?
 
NoDrama said:
Big and powerful have new meanings now? God! and this whole time I thought big meant large and powerful meant, well, full of power.
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Don't expect anything rational from these anti-gun nuts. They are just racists. They are mostly from urban areas and don't want the minorities around them armed.
 
NoDrama said:
Can you name any gun incident in which a background check would have helped?
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This is a logically bullshit statement, and you know it. You don't know how many crimes it legitimately has stopped. You also know (If you're in possession of half a brain.) that this is not evidence of anything. But fuck trying to find solutions to our very real problems with gun violence in this country, right? Let's just repeal all those gun laws and make it even easier for criminals to get his hands on a gun.
 
tokeprep said:
Again, I don't really care about the record--I already said I had no opinion and it wasn't the point. Background checks are more significant, and I think everyone should be subject, no matter how the gun is sold.
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Well that's good to hear. Given the United States misuse of Nuclear weapons I suppose they'd fail your background check and you'd disallow them from having those kinds of toys?

What if a person decided not to go along with the background check...would you be okay with another person or group of people using guns against them to make them comply? Sounds like there could be a contradiction in this plan.
 
kpmarine said:
Let's just repeal all those gun laws and make it even easier for criminals to get his hands on a gun.
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Criminals don't follow laws, that's why they are criminals. Bust into one pawn shop and you have 100 guns. Criminals do these kinds of things everyday, and there are LAWS against such activity!!

with 150 million firearms in the USA ( A conservative estimate) I can literally buy 300 firearms today, On a Sunday, with cash, no record, no background checks all 100% legally. How much harder is it going to be for a criminal?

Institute a gun ban and the guns will still be in the streets. Chicago has a gun ban, and the highest incident of murder by gun in the nation.
 
kpmarine said:
This is a logically bullshit statement, and you know it.
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If its logical bullshit, then why are you trying to institute it? If there is no evidence that a background check does ANYTHING to lessen gun murders, then why do you want more of the same?
 
NoDrama said:
Background checks didn't stop anyone from getting a gun. If someone wants to murder someone with a gun, getting the gun is the easiest part. There are over 150 million guns in the USA, and no one has any idea who has what. Hell just buy a gun from a private sale or a garage sale. They aren't required to fill out any forms either.

Background checks have little value in keeping anyone safe. If you think that they do, well I am afraid reality might not be your thing. Can you name any gun incident in which a background check would have helped?
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I have never once seen a gun at a garage sale. cn
 
NoDrama said:
Background checks didn't stop anyone from getting a gun. If someone wants to murder someone with a gun, getting the gun is the easiest part. There are over 150 million guns in the USA, and no one has any idea who has what. Hell just buy a gun from a private sale or a garage sale. They aren't required to fill out any forms either.

Background checks have little value in keeping anyone safe. If you think that they do, well I am afraid reality might not be your thing. Can you name any gun incident in which a background check would have helped?
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Given how much crime is committed by mentally ill people and people of low intelligence, I disagree. I think the inability to easily obtain a gun at retail can be a substantial hindrance for some people who might otherwise use a gun to commit a crime. I'm not saying it stops everyone, certainly, but it shouldn't matter if the background check isn't even a burden.
 
NoDrama said:
Big and powerful have new meanings now? God! and this whole time I thought big meant large and powerful meant, well, full of power.

What do you call things that really are big and powerful? Super ginormous and all supreme? That's probably what you would call my penis.

PS I got a super soaker squirt gun that shoots alot and is way bigger than a handgun, must be "Big and Powerful" in your book.

anyone ever tell you that you are easy to impress?
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You think that the existence of those other guns affected what I meant. I have no idea what guns you're talking about and don't care, because they're totally disconnected from my impression. I've never seen them and have no idea what anything you said means.
 
NoDrama said:
Criminals don't follow laws, that's why they are criminals. Bust into one pawn shop and you have 100 guns. Criminals do these kinds of things everyday, and there are LAWS against such activity!!

with 150 million firearms in the USA ( A conservative estimate) I can literally buy 300 firearms today, On a Sunday, with cash, no record, no background checks all 100% legally. How much harder is it going to be for a criminal?

Institute a gun ban and the guns will still be in the streets. Chicago has a gun ban, and the highest incident of murder by gun in the nation.
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So i guess all laws should just be ended because criminals are going to do it anyways? Chicago has laws against murder, yet has the highest murder rate in the country. By your logic, we should throw out murder laws. I mean, they're not stopping people from killing each other.
 
cannabineer said:
I have never once seen a gun at a garage sale. cn
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You live in Kalifornia USSA don't you? I lived there for several years, my legal guns at the time were a full auto Colt M-16a2 and the new Glock 17 9mm. Early 80's. Times have changed since then eh? I lived in Irvine, San Diego, Long Beach, El Toro and Newport Beach.

Pretty common thing here where I live now, I got a Remington 700 in .243 for $160 five years ago at a garage sale. My first foray into blackpowder was when I saw a nice Thompson Center Hawken .50 for only $220 with all the powder, tools, cleaning supplies in a nice box with 200 bullets of various kinds just last year at a yard sale.

I think the last person shot down in cold blood in these parts was 3 years ago, some teens fighting over a girl.

People are pretty respectful of most everyone else around here. Almost everyone has a gun or 300. Some people make me look like a damn near novice gun collector.
 
tokeprep said:
Given how much crime is committed by mentally ill people and people of low intelligence, I disagree. I think the inability to easily obtain a gun at retail can be a substantial hindrance for some people who might otherwise use a gun to commit a crime. I'm not saying it stops everyone, certainly, but it shouldn't matter if the background check isn't even a burden.
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The Background check isn't a burden.

How Much crime is committed by people of low intelligence and diminished mental capacity? Got any statistics vs white collar crimes?
 
kpmarine said:
So i guess all laws should just be ended because criminals are going to do it anyways? Chicago has laws against murder, yet has the highest murder rate in the country. By your logic, we should throw out murder laws. I mean, they're not stopping people from killing each other.
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NoDrama said:
If its logical bullshit, then why are you trying to institute it? If there is no evidence that a background check does ANYTHING to lessen gun murders, then why do you want more of the same?
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Firearms violence is declining, and has been since '93. Interestingly enough, that's the same year the brady bill requiring background checks passed. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/ Now I have provided some backing to my claim, feel free to back yours.

The reason I called it logical bullshit is because you made a claim; and then you state that we have to prove your claim wrong without you backing it.
 
NoDrama said:
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You claimed that gun laws are useless because they don't stop people from buying guns. I was applying your logic to other topics. I didn't say you made the claim; I indicated that this is where your argument goes logically. I did not actually make your argument for you. Go ahead and pretend like I did though. Or you could sack up and explain why gun laws (Which according to you don't prevent gun crime.) should not be enforced; while murder laws (Which clearly don't stop murder entirely.) should be enforced. Can you explain your rationale?
 
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