complete cfl grow

THCmeBro

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I think you going sidewys on me there Papi I agree, more light is a optimal.

Relax Kimo-sabe it was a typo, it was supposed to be 78•
Give me some credit do you think that after saying I did research as well, wouldn't you think I read somewhere that high temperatures kill plants? Maybe? ...Or was it your incontrollable urge to school me?

You feel so strongly I suffered heat stress. I'll just let you keep on thinking that, makes no sense convincing you that it wasn't.

You're correct that this is my first grow but I been smoking since Woodstock (August/1969) I was taken there as a "growing up ritual" by my Uncle and his girlfreind, it was the best 3 days I ever spent away from home. Free booze, marijuana, food and of course lots of sex. My first time ever smoking weed was a strain called the "Hammer " out of Canada, no need to explain the head, the name says it all. It was also the first time I smoked Thai Stick one of the most powerful canabis of it's time. My almost 5 decades of weed smoking
Allows me the right to judge good from lousy weed. I've had weed from all over the world, the 2 most memorious weed sesions I've had were in Belize and Curacao.

Venezuela and Caracao, imo, have the best weed in the Americas right now, I may be wrong. The soil there is super rich...it has been known for for a plant to grow on a car that was heavily covered by wind blown soil.

And yes I did say I mix my own soil is that not synonymous with ammend?

Over 85% of all problems on this site has to do with nutes. Over/under feeding, deficiency nightmares, pumps, water temps and on and on. So when I say most problems encountered by groweres, especially new ones, occur when they feed the plant its because its based on observation so I'll stand by my statement and I don't really care if you agree or not and feel that it is gimmicky, in every grow I've seen in nature I never seen buckets, pumps, air stones and all that other crap.

Everybody has their own preferences I like naturally grown weed others, such as yourself, like chemically grown weed, thats great.

Where I'm lost is many agree that growing weed should be K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) but yet go out there and choose the most complicated way to grow, go figure.

Chill Papi

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I do have some conditions I don't like admitting to the public, one of them causes me to speak more confrontationally than intended. I am just trying to help as I am that type of person. I'm in my earlier half of 20 now and have honest to god been smoking for 5 years. I've been growing for 4 years. I'm a high school dropout (one of the too smart to see the point of following the flow types) who found his passion and hobby in weed after testing out of high school. It's something that has a point to me. It's a med/rec industry, I would never settle for low quality anything. Ive been around and fit more experiences into that time period and met more old school growers and private innovators and visited more grows and started more seeds than xcodeh and luna have stories on youtube. I have better stories than them too, just with a stuttering memory and bad story telling skills to add to the combo. One of the few things i havent had the pleasure of doing is traveling out of country since i first started smoking. Maybe one day soon again. Have you ever thrown away ounces of of free bud because the quality was lacking? I have. Natural weed has been some of the harshest I've smoked. All because it was hungry and they refused to feed it anything. The plant also got thrips cause of its diminished immune response. Because it was hungry.

What I was saying in the previous post was you can stick to a minimalistic feeding once or twice a grow of all natural fert containing reasonable amounts of everything the plant wants now, and get approximately double the yield in your case, heat stressed or not, cfl or not. And the well fed plant will be bug, pest, mold, disease resistant, etc. No synthetics (concentrated electrolytes for plants, which to my understanding are just salts and minerals, usually organic in origin but now lacking carbon and/or hydrogen- I fail to comprehend the negatives of small scale synthetic bottle nute use.) involved. And you satisfy my motto of "The plant wants (just)what the plant wants, and it wants it now. Every day it goes wanting is a near irreversible reduction of yield and eventually quality"


Youre wrong on the breakdown of the problems on the site, pest and bugs make up a minimum of 15 maximum of 40% of the problems depending on time of year (I've been on this site as multiple personalities for years but I'm not what's his name before anyone who calls me him) and then seedbanks issues, genetics, and hermies make up 10-30% depending on time of year and nutes, pumps, supplies come in at around 30-75% depending on time of year. The reasons for the variances vary. Growing follows investable cycles if you know how to look at the big picture.

Major point Im gonna emphasize- kiss, is largely, for the stupid or brand new. I hate kiss, but use a modified version stemming on experience and research. I do prefer certain nutes, but calling all nutes chemical is just simple minded. As the real organic growers on here that do larger scale locally harvested organic nutes (if there are any, I know my friend just did such a grow, and has many new complaints as compared to bottled organic such as his silicone source seemed less availiable, less abundant, and was a nightmare to harvest) will tell you should you pm them, they did not have the best results for the first few grows/years untill they got the microbe and soil nute content to an optimum balance. Even then, to get any sort of decent yeild of natural weed, they still feed once or twice a year with things like ocean solutions, sea 90, etc. Don't even say chemical, its overpriced purified sea water with many (80-115) trace minerals. They also add nute rich compost and amend as needed. Simple as hell. No chemical weed, and happier better yielding plants. It's just something you learn from grow experience. The tea methods are best for indoor plants with a vegged structure smaller than 6oz under hid, or 1 oz under cfl. Maybe you don't understand, but unless you just dig up local soil and add perlite, you are adding "nutes" with every thing you do. The soil mix, the amendments, the waterings above a low ppm range of 50-80, some teas, etc.

Look, once the plant is hungry, you not only have begun stressing and reducing yield drastically, but you now spend energy and nutes on root devepement and mycorhizal formation, just to look for nutes to grow bud.... One reason organic is more complex and not the best way IMO. But if you have a herd like you obviously do, get an organic like ocean solutions and try it on a single or sickly or underperforming plant and notice the difference. its like amending but from a nute bottle and without disturbing the soil. im giving this advise to try to help you while still fitting in your natural vaganesk style. Lots of these nutes are just water added to amendments you may already use. Many natural amendments are available nutes or they break down and can be considered time release fertilizer as long as you have an organic herd. You aren't growing naturally either if you amend because hardly any plant is lucky enough to naturally get soil with guano, worm casting, kelp, bone meal, fish meal, feather meal, diatomaceous earth,etc... especially in combination, or even distribution, or decent ratio.
 

Rudi I&I Automan

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2x N to k and half p (p is usually unavailable and slow to break down, so in may say the same as k on the bottle, cough cough ff grow big) is actually a pretty regular veg formula. You should look up what the nutes do so maybe you can understand why that's a the formula you want.

this was 39yrs ago mind
 
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