Constitutional Conventions.....it's about time. HOPE!! CHANGE!!

CrackerJax

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Repairs for Broken Systems

Citizens in California and New York are pushing for constitutional conventions.


By JOHN P. AVLON

Frustrated with steep budget deficits, unprecedented spending, and chronic government dysfunction, citizens in a growing number of states are calling for constitutional conventions. In recent weeks, both former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani and former New York governor Mario Cuomo have authored op-eds in the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, respectively, arguing that the political circus in Albany compels a constitutional convention. Such efforts are already well underway in California, alongside burgeoning drives in Alabama, Arizona, and Michigan. Altogether, 25 percent of the U.S. population lives in these five states. These growing grassroots movements are a sign of the times.
In New York, a five-week summer standoff in the state senate, characterized by party switches and backroom power-broker deals, ended up costing the state upwards of $125 million amid a legislative stalemate. In California, chronic budget shortfalls have become national news. With the third emergency budget deal in ten months temporarily closing a $26 billion budget gap, the Golden State suffers from an 11.6 percent unemployment rate, which reaches 15 percent in agricultural areas like Fresno. The state is caught in a vicious cycle of declining tax revenues from high tax rates, making each budget deal both painful and temporary.
Momentum for a constitutional convention in the Golden State got underway in August 2008, when business leaders from the Bay Area Council took a trip to Sacramento and found the state in the throes of a now-familiar budget crisis. They determined that only a state constitutional convention could cure its chronic structural problems. "At times of dysfunction such as this there tends to be a 'throw the bums out' impulse," says John Grubb of Repair California, the civic group backed by the Bay Area Council that is pushing for the constitutional convention. "But we believe that if you throw these bums out, the next set of bums will have the same problems. That's because the system is broken." By using California's ballot-initiative process, Repair California is bypassing the state legislature and putting the question of a constitutional convention to voters in November 2010.
California's last constitutional convention took place in 1879, but the governing document has been amended 512 times since then through a combination of legislative action and ballot initiatives, which have contributed to the cost and dysfunction of state government. The document ballooned to over 75,000 words at one point, and it now authorizes 389 boards, commissions, and agencies with overlapping jurisdictions. This guarantees gridlock as well as the waste of taxpayer dollars.
Repair California's proposed remedies include governance reform to strengthen the executive branch, budget reforms to rein in spending, and revenue distribution between state and local governments to prevent unfunded mandates. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, along with every major candidate to succeed him, supports a constitutional convention—with the notable exception of state insurance examiner Steve Poizner, a Republican who so far remains noncommittal on the issue.
New Yorkers are no strangers to the expense of multi-jurisdictional bodies or a stalemated state legislature, either. Policy reforms suggested in New York so far include increasing the governor's power in budget negotiations; mandating spending caps and a legislative super-majority for tax increases; instituting term limits; and enacting non-partisan redistricting. Other changes might include addressing the state's chronic inability to renegotiate pension obligations in the event of insolvency.
But in the Empire State, the process of organizing a constitutional convention is far more circuitous than in California, because New York doesn't have a direct ballot-initiative process. Before voters can even weigh in on the idea, the state legislature must first vote on whether to put the question of a constitutional convention to voters. The whole process would likely take until 2012 to be implemented, at earliest—and that's assuming state legislative leaders don't succeed in stonewalling until a review is required by state law in 2017.
Bipartisan consensus is building in favor of a convention, however. So far supporters include not only Giuliani and Cuomo, but also former congressman Rick Lazio and former governor George Pataki. Governor Paterson has released a statement in support of a constitutional convention, while Democratic Assemblyman Richard Brodsky, Assembly Minority Leader Brian Kolb, and State Senator Marty Golden have all submitted legislation calling for a convention. But State Senate Majority Conference Leader John Sampson and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver have yet to declare their support, an ominous sign. Unless they become convinced that it's in their political self-interest, they can be expected to block these reform efforts and defend the status quo.
Governor Paterson could take a decisive step by submitting constitutional-convention legislation when he calls the state legislature back into session in September to close a new multi-billion-dollar budget gap. There would be no better time to highlight the need for fundamental reform. Public frustration with Albany is hitting a new high, and elected officials should not feel insulated by their 98 percent re-election rate. The growing movement in favor of constitutional conventions across the country in a time of fiscal crisis contains a warning: if legislators won't lead responsibly, citizens might start leading themselves.
 

mcone

Active Member
Wow! Great read my man!
This seals the deal " if legislators won't lead responsibly, citizens might start leading themselves."!!!
 

CrackerJax

New Member
It's coming down to the point where Americans are going to have to take back their govt. It's failing us all. It's destroying our futures.....
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
If this happens it would be the dumbest revolution in the history of the world.

We would destroy everything that is the wealthiest country in the world because we don't like that the government is doing too much for the people?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
Repairs for Broken Systems

Citizens in California and New York are pushing for constitutional conventions.


By JOHN P. AVLON

Frustrated with steep budget deficits, unprecedented spending, and chronic government dysfunction, citizens in a growing number of states are calling for constitutional conventions. In recent weeks, both former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani and former New York governor Mario Cuomo have authored op-eds in the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, respectively, arguing that the political circus in Albany compels a constitutional convention. Such efforts are already well underway in California, alongside burgeoning drives in Alabama, Arizona, and Michigan. Altogether, 25 percent of the U.S. population lives in these five states. These growing grassroots movements are a sign of the times.
In New York, a five-week summer standoff in the state senate, characterized by party switches and backroom power-broker deals, ended up costing the state upwards of $125 million amid a legislative stalemate. In California, chronic budget shortfalls have become national news. With the third emergency budget deal in ten months temporarily closing a $26 billion budget gap, the Golden State suffers from an 11.6 percent unemployment rate, which reaches 15 percent in agricultural areas like Fresno. The state is caught in a vicious cycle of declining tax revenues from high tax rates, making each budget deal both painful and temporary.
Momentum for a constitutional convention in the Golden State got underway in August 2008, when business leaders from the Bay Area Council took a trip to Sacramento and found the state in the throes of a now-familiar budget crisis. They determined that only a state constitutional convention could cure its chronic structural problems. "At times of dysfunction such as this there tends to be a 'throw the bums out' impulse," says John Grubb of Repair California, the civic group backed by the Bay Area Council that is pushing for the constitutional convention. "But we believe that if you throw these bums out, the next set of bums will have the same problems. That's because the system is broken." By using California's ballot-initiative process, Repair California is bypassing the state legislature and putting the question of a constitutional convention to voters in November 2010.
California's last constitutional convention took place in 1879, but the governing document has been amended 512 times since then through a combination of legislative action and ballot initiatives, which have contributed to the cost and dysfunction of state government. The document ballooned to over 75,000 words at one point, and it now authorizes 389 boards, commissions, and agencies with overlapping jurisdictions. This guarantees gridlock as well as the waste of taxpayer dollars.
Repair California's proposed remedies include governance reform to strengthen the executive branch, budget reforms to rein in spending, and revenue distribution between state and local governments to prevent unfunded mandates. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, along with every major candidate to succeed him, supports a constitutional convention—with the notable exception of state insurance examiner Steve Poizner, a Republican who so far remains noncommittal on the issue.
New Yorkers are no strangers to the expense of multi-jurisdictional bodies or a stalemated state legislature, either. Policy reforms suggested in New York so far include increasing the governor's power in budget negotiations; mandating spending caps and a legislative super-majority for tax increases; instituting term limits; and enacting non-partisan redistricting. Other changes might include addressing the state's chronic inability to renegotiate pension obligations in the event of insolvency.
But in the Empire State, the process of organizing a constitutional convention is far more circuitous than in California, because New York doesn't have a direct ballot-initiative process. Before voters can even weigh in on the idea, the state legislature must first vote on whether to put the question of a constitutional convention to voters. The whole process would likely take until 2012 to be implemented, at earliest—and that's assuming state legislative leaders don't succeed in stonewalling until a review is required by state law in 2017.
Bipartisan consensus is building in favor of a convention, however. So far supporters include not only Giuliani and Cuomo, but also former congressman Rick Lazio and former governor George Pataki. Governor Paterson has released a statement in support of a constitutional convention, while Democratic Assemblyman Richard Brodsky, Assembly Minority Leader Brian Kolb, and State Senator Marty Golden have all submitted legislation calling for a convention. But State Senate Majority Conference Leader John Sampson and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver have yet to declare their support, an ominous sign. Unless they become convinced that it's in their political self-interest, they can be expected to block these reform efforts and defend the status quo.
Governor Paterson could take a decisive step by submitting constitutional-convention legislation when he calls the state legislature back into session in September to close a new multi-billion-dollar budget gap. There would be no better time to highlight the need for fundamental reform. Public frustration with Albany is hitting a new high, and elected officials should not feel insulated by their 98 percent re-election rate. The growing movement in favor of constitutional conventions across the country in a time of fiscal crisis contains a warning: if legislators won't lead responsibly, citizens might start leading themselves.


he said "chronic". hehehhehehehehhe :bigjoint:
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
The govt. doesn't do anything FOR the ppl once it steps beyond the Constitution.
See CJ, I look at the constitution like the bible. A man made document. And we are not going to get everything right. This is a couple hundred year old document that did not understand the things that we have today.

But that being said, I have no problem screw it destroy everything, because that is what a consitutional convention will do. It is a way to bring down the whole system and would mean a total rewritting of the consitution.

So what then? Who would decide what is best for us? Would we have 30 mini countries? Would we follow a pelosi? Or would it be a Rush? Or a Religious leader? Or ron Paul, or Kusinich.

A convention would destroy everything that people want to get back.

All because a portion of the people want to go back to that 220 year old document.
 

Microdizzey

Well-Known Member
Come on Cracker. Just shut up and pledge yourself to the president. Stop being a redneck republican right wing extremist. You're wrong, Obama is right. FUCK YOU!
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Except the Bible is not a document designed to guarantee you freedom, the constitution is. The founding fathers knew full well that ANY govt. which gets too big ends up oppressing it's citizens.
Now everyone went crazy at the 300 Billion bucks Bush spent in his budget, but now? Now the very same ppl say it isn't enough. Then the stimulus is passed.... still not enough.
Obama isn't much different from Bush, except he is spending way more. Way way more..... it all has to be paid for by the citizen. There is no escape. You will pay....and pay dearly. Good luck.
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member
Good thread CJ!!

I am all for anything that will reverse the bloated, corrupt and ever expanding State Governments. (This applies to the out of control Federal behemoth as well).

The malfeasance demonstrated by the majority of State Govts has to be recognized and rooted out. Constitutional conventions are long overdo.
We the people have to stop these spendthrift lunatics before it is too late, and we all wonder what has become of the American way of life.

It was not the intent of the Founding Fathers to impose a Mary Poppins system of government on US citizens.

Enough!
:bigjoint:
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
"The one thing our Founding Fathers could not foresee -- they were farmers,
professional men, businessmen giving of their time and effort to an idea that
became a country -- was a nation governed by professional politicians who had
an interest in getting re-elected. They probably envisioned a fellow serving
a couple of hitches and then eagerly looking forward to getting back to the
farm."

-Ronald Reagan


I fear as Hanimmal stated that it may be detrimental to Our Country...

I did have the Idea about the Next upcoming election, Since, for the most part everybody feels that no matter who you Vote for it's the SAme Agenda "Cloak/Dagger" Why not everybody simply Write themselves In... Surely who you would rather win May or May not, But the Message would definetly Get Across, that this is Our Country... And the Surmounting tide Would definitely be Felt, Heard, & no Longer Go Unnoticed

Just Thinking Out the Box :roll:
 

doobnVA

Well-Known Member
Seriously? So, you want the VERY SAME people who have pissed on the original Constitution to CHANGE IT/REWRITE IT? You think that's a good thing? You're a bigger sucker than I thought =)

A constitutional convention has nothing to do with "throwing these bums in Congress" out, and everything to do with GIVING THEM THE POWER to take away more of our rights.

CrackerJax, I thought you were against government intervention?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
The conventions are there to PROTECT the citizenry. If you find yourself in opposition of a FEW ppl, you might say they are wrong. If, however, as the polls are already showing, the majority of ppl and especially the CENTER starts to oppose, then you might surmise that it is you who is on the wrong side of the issue.

If you can do basic math, you can see the inherent danger which the govt. is now placing every one of you. Heck, I'll throw in any non US folks reading this as well. The world need performance out the US.
 
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