Controlled Environment Agriculture by Shrubs

Shrubs First · Feb 19, 2010

Someguy15 said:
According to my water website I have chloramine in my water, 1-3.5 mg/l. I cannot taste nor smell it, and grew my whole first round with it no problem (no organic nutes though). Should I be concerned with this down the road if I'm investing in products like Carb loaders, Mycorrhizae. ect? I have a fish tank cleaner called Aqamel Plus that is suppose to remove chlorine, chloramine, nitrates and nitrites. I was using it for a few weeks but decided it wasn't worth the trouble. What do you think shrubs? patched up tap water or added cost of R/O system + CalMag ect.

No need for large concern, it will have a negative effect to some extent, slowing
nutrient uptake by stressing the organisms... I'm not sure about this aquamel plus,
I looked it up and it all I can find is AquaPel which is a surface protectant... Not sure
I'm seein the same product, but I have often thought about using dechlorinators
from fish stores, such as Stress Coat which is a simple dechlorinator, and it removes
Chloramine by breaking the Chlorine Ammonia bond. There are synthetics in it,
though so I myself probably wouldn't use it, but it is creative and probably effective. If you want to do a filter a R/O isn't the one for you, all you're worried
about is the Chloramine, which means you just want a Carbon filter, home depot
has carbon filters for like 50 bucks, I use a 2 Stage Carbon/Sediment filter from
Hydrologic, it was like $110.... Water comes out at 50-60 ppm for me, but I know
there is no chlorines.... I don't have the biggest problem with 50 ppm, I assume
it is Ca+2/Mg+2... Hope that helps :-/

Someguy15 · Feb 19, 2010

Awesome man, thanks yet again for sound advice. The "Small Boy" (60GPH) would probably be plenty for my needs right now and it's only 115.

Shrubs First · Feb 20, 2010

Always friend....

Today I'm foliar feeding again, as well as fertilizing, This will be the last
Vegetative feed, and in 3 days I will be switching to 12/12

Cheese101 · Feb 20, 2010

Nice Man Real Nice And I Agree Rhizo And Pk Are Good Products I Use All The Canna Range Myself With Great Results Feed Them Pk Earlier Than It Says On The Bottle As I Found Wrks Much Better :peace:

Shrubs First · Feb 20, 2010

Cheese101 said:
Nice Man Real Nice And I Agree Rhizo And Pk Are Good Products I Use All The Canna Range Myself With Great Results Feed Them Pk Earlier Than It Says On The Bottle As I Found Wrks Much Better

Thanks man appreciate it.... Yea I have my own feeding schedule, not to worry.....

Shrubs First · Feb 20, 2010

Serenaded them with 30 Mins of Sonic Bloom frequency, turned off my HIDS and
fed them a foliar application of the Sonic Bloom Nutrient, 15 mL per gallon. Took
about an hour for the leaves to dry enough to turn the HIDS back on...

I've been waitin for the water to heat up to an appropriate temp and now I just
mixed up the feeding solution...

Feeding mixure as follows

16 Gallons Carbon/Sediment Filtered Water
75 mL Master A
75 mL Master B
30 mL Verde
30 mL Cal-Mag
30 mL Hum-bolt
30 mL Flavor-Fulv
120 mL Hygrozyme
60 mL Rhizotonic
90 mL Budswel Bat Guano
30 mL Humboldt Honey ES
15 mL Azamax
I am just burnin through nutes.... I'm gonna have to buy gallon jugs
of everything next time..

Havent tested ppm's or pH yet, I gotta wait til the solution
is at the right temp...

EDIT: PPM 850, pH 6.2, Temp 67 F

Shrubs First · Feb 20, 2010

These pics are moments after their final Vegetative Feed

Looks like I'm gonna be gettin all different sizes again... darnet

The biggest sour D of the bunch, she looks great, 8 solid tops..

The rest of the sour D's

Soma's New York City Diesel

The Purps, don't she look gooood? Havent counted the tops on this momma yet, but
she is a bush...

8 Sour Diesels

7 Purps + 1 NYCD

Temps and humidity have been right on the dot, lovin it currently

Thanks for checkin it out

Drella · Feb 20, 2010

hope the sonic foliar sessions work out for you, the ladies seem to be loving it. i wish i had some of those sour diesels in my grow, im jealous! looking great, now for this bloom to kick off!

Shrubs First · Feb 21, 2010

Things are lookin great today, they definitely took that feeding
well yesterday, and no signs of leaf burn from the foliar feeds either..
just perrfect

Shrubs First · Feb 21, 2010

Thought I'd show off some root porn.. All the ladies are breakin thru the smart pots,
they are lovin em!

Even the little ones are starting their air pruning process... spectacular!

Drella · Feb 21, 2010

if that's not proof of shrubs skill, i dont know what is. congratulations man, this one just keeps on getting better!

Huh?? · Feb 21, 2010

Looks like you're doing a great job so far!
Great strains too.
Am I seeing these pics correctly? :eyesmoke:

Are those roots actually driving their way through the smart pots?I kept a mother in a 3 gallon smart pot for 2 months and mine never did that.It looks pretty sweet!
Quick Q,do you happen to know if reefermans purps are indeed the Mendo Purps?

Shrubs First · Feb 21, 2010

Drella said:
if that's not proof of shrubs skill, i dont know what is. congratulations man, this one just keeps on getting better!

Hell yea, when I saw all those pearly roots I was stoked... Still am. Better and
better for sure, my last crop didn't have this healthy of roots, matter of fact, i've
never had such healthy roots as i have with this coco/smart pot mix!

Huh?? said:
Looks like you're doing a great job so far!
Great strains too.
Am I seeing these pics correctly?Are those roots actually driving their way through the smart pots?I kept a mother in a 3 gallon smart pot for 2 months and mine never did that.It looks pretty sweet!
Quick Q,do you happen to know if reefermans purps are indeed the Mendo Purps?

Thanks man, strains all came from a close friend... And yea, the roots are goin
crazy right now, I did a lot of innoculation and have been feeding lots of Rhizotonic from Canna... And also I'm under the belief that 100% canna coco as a
media is the best you can use for root health! And I guess this is how the Smart
Pots are supposed to work, that is what the airpruning looks like,the roots go
out of the pot and just get air pruned, rather than the roots hitting the plastic
pot and then spiraling, this prevents the spiraling and keeps the plant more
comfortable.

About the purps, I think I said earlier that they were a reeferman purps but I was
incorrect, here is the link to the original seed stock, my boy got his seeds from
here BCBD Purps..... My last batch turned out lookin just like those nugs in that pic... Except for the overnutrition... (Mine didnt do that ;-)

)They are definitely authentic
IBL Mendo Purps.....

I reeally appreciate the great words of encouragement, I'm definitely trying
some...well... not different, but not exactly normal methods here, the Smart
Pots, the Sunpulse Bulbs, the Sonic Bloom.... Hopefully everything comes together
really well in the end..... Goodnight everybody RESPECT! -Shrubs

Drella · Feb 21, 2010

thats the magic of shrubs first! when i grow up i wanna be like you shrubs! plants that size, roots that healthy, it's like ur plants think they are in the greenest rainforest, in ground!

Shrubs First · Feb 21, 2010

haha, i'm only 22 my friend, just really paid attention in class

And the more you grow, you'll notice that the smaller and smaller you
you grow your plants, they really don't lose that much bud
production, as long as you maximize the efficiency of what is there..

You'll notice that people with 3 foot tall+ trees are really only utilizing
the same amount of branch space efficiently beneath the lights.... The
rest is either lollipopped off or just ends up as light weight airy nugglets...

Honestly I'm really liking what your grow is lookin like, the veggies are lovin
your methods and the flowers are looking rock solid, frosty and tasty as hell
.. Are you still workin with the Sunshine Soiless Mix?

Shrubs First · Feb 22, 2010

haha, I can't keep up with myself, I just gotta take more pics :shock:

Still lookin happy, flowering will be induced either tomorrow or the next day...

Shrubs First · Feb 22, 2010

Temps for the past 3 days have been between 76-79 degrees F
constantly, with humidity between 45-50%, it seriously feels
like a rainforest when I stick my face in the tent, especially compared
to this dryass cold colorado desert which is between 0-10% humidity and
20-30 degrees F. I feel the moisture in the air hydrate my
face instantly when I unzip it, and can feel my lips get chapped as soon
as i go back out to the rest of my apartmet. I wish I lived in the tent...

Huh?? · Feb 22, 2010

Shrubs First said:
Hell yea, when I saw all those pearly roots I was stoked... Still am. Better and
better for sure, my last crop didn't have this healthy of roots, matter of fact, i've
never had such healthy roots as i have with this coco/smart pot mix!

Thanks man, strains all came from a close friend... And yea, the roots are goin
crazy right now, I did a lot of innoculation and have been feeding lots of Rhizotonic from Canna... And also I'm under the belief that 100% canna coco as a
media is the best you can use for root health! And I guess this is how the Smart
Pots are supposed to work, that is what the airpruning looks like,the roots go
out of the pot and just get air pruned, rather than the roots hitting the plastic
pot and then spiraling, this prevents the spiraling and keeps the plant more
comfortable.

About the purps, I think I said earlier that they were a reeferman purps but I was
incorrect, here is the link to the original seed stock, my boy got his seeds from
here BCBD Purps..... My last batch turned out lookin just like those nugs in that pic... Except for the overnutrition... (Mine didnt do that )They are definitely authentic
IBL Mendo Purps.....

I reeally appreciate the great words of encouragement, I'm definitely trying
some...well... not different, but not exactly normal methods here, the Smart
Pots, the Sunpulse Bulbs, the Sonic Bloom.... Hopefully everything comes together
really well in the end..... Goodnight everybody RESPECT! -Shrubs

I wish I could get my hands on some quality coco like canna.There isn't a canna retailer within 600 miles of me(literally),they just won't supply anyone in my area.Do you have any experience with other coco?If so could you tell me(in your opinion) who is second best to canna?
The nutrient line that I use(H&G)recommends Great White since they can't import their Bacto Force to the US.I've been meaning to check it out,it looks like it works wonders!
BTW you should check out H&G's Roots Excelurator,it is also from Van de Zwaan(who helped create Canna).Looking at the price it's pretty expensive but you only use 1.1ml per gallon of nutrient solution.
Sweet man,I love the taste of purple strains.NYC Diesel is pretty tasty as well.

Shrubs First · Feb 22, 2010

Huh?? said:
I wish I could get my hands on some quality coco like canna.There isn't a canna retailer within 600 miles of me(literally),they just won't supply anyone in my area.Do you have any experience with other coco?If so could you tell me(in your opinion) who is second best to canna?
The nutrient line that I use(H&G)recommends Great White since they can't import their Bacto Force to the US.I've been meaning to check it out,it looks like it works wonders!
BTW you should check out H&G's Roots Excelurator,it is also from Van de Zwaan(who helped create Canna).Looking at the price it's pretty expensive but you only use 1.1ml per gallon of nutrient solution.
Sweet man,I love the taste of purple strains.NYC Diesel is pretty tasty as well.

You can use the botanicare slabs, you just gotta flush the hell out of them which
takes a lot of time. Canna is a huge pain in the ass if there isn't a local supplier,
an associate of mine is in the process of starting a grow store up in Missoula, MO,
and he is currently talking to Canna to be a dealer, and they refuse to supply more
than one dealer in each state apparently. Montana doesn't have a dealer and it
looks as if he might get the contract which would pretty much seal the deal for
him as a hydroponics distributor...

I have nothing but amazing things to say about the great white so far, I checked
out that H&G's before, and it would just be redundant for me to use it, I am already
using Canna's Rhizotonic and Humboldt Roots, as well as a host of microbials,
beneficials, enzymes, mycorrhizae, trichoderma and other bactera which I can't
even name :eyesmoke:

. But I always appreciate a product shout out, that stuff
is definitely high quality, and its not that I wouldn't use it, but that I am using
so many similar products :joint:

I grew a clone off the same mother in my last grow and it was some of the best
herb I've ever seen, I just didn't have enough plants of it.. now I have 7 muahahaha
and 1 SOMA NYC Diesel, and 8 Sour Diesels :mrgreen:

Shrubs First · Feb 23, 2010

just woke up, the ladies are perky as ever, tomorrow will be
the first da of 12/12 aswell as week one flower feed.

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