Controlled Environment Agriculture by Shrubs

Okay, so tonight I did a heavy leaching because on my last
feeding my runoff came out nearly 600 ppms higher than when it
went in.

Went in at 800 came out at 1400, not a good thing, this is a salt build
up occurring and it was happening because I wasn't putting enough water
through my coco when I fed. I saw the effects of this a day later showing up
as a slight curl of the margins of the upper leaves on the plant, and some of
the tips of the leaves being burned off on all plants.

I fixed this by simply putting more water through when I feed. I feed every time
I water, I would never suggest to put straight water in to Coco, this could mess up
the balance of nutrients being held and released by the Coco which would in turn
throw your pH out of range.

Mixed 16 Gallons of Water for 8 plants = 2 gallons / plant
150 mL Coco A
150 mL Coco B
40 mL Rhizotonic
100 mL Hygrozyme
75 mL Budswel Bat Guano
30 mL Humic Acid
30 mL Fulvic Acid
15 mL Mayan Microzyme

ppm 800 EC 1.1, pH 6.0, Temp 65 F

Run off was 900 ppms, so even though I put a high salt content
through the coco I pushed so much of it through that it effectively
leached the extra salts through in the process which is why my
runoff wasn't in the 1400's still.

The ladies! 8 Island Sweet Skunks. And they are really glowing!

looking healthy and ready to hold some weight.
did you do any training, topping/fimming or just letting them veg a solid two weeks with no recovery time?

notoriousb said:

looking healthy and ready to hold some weight.
did you do any training, topping/fimming or just letting them veg a solid two weeks with no recovery time?

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Vegged a solid 2. On the first day of flowering I super cropped the tops of all
Plants and they took to it beautifully.

They've been growing around 2 inches per day since I placed
them in to flowering. I hope I don't run out of space!

Lookin nice as usual. Some stretchy girls u got there, but I'm assuming they are more on the sativa side. Why are you only running half the tent?

Someguy15 said:

Lookin nice as usual. Some stretchy girls u got there, but I'm assuming they are more on the sativa side. Why are you only running half the tent?

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Ya they're straight skunk plants, 80% sativa or so.

I'm only running half because I will be perpetual.
In 2 weeks I'll put the other 8 in there and then I'll
Be harvesting once a month rather than cash crops every
Other month.. Yay!


EDIT:
Fed tonight

Week 2 day 2 for the ladies in bloom

16 Gallons Water
150 mL Coco A
150 mL Coco B
50 mL Rhizotonic
100 mL Hygrozyme
30 mL Fulvic Acid
30 mL Humic Acid
15 mL Mayan Microzyme
10 mL Canna PK 13/14
30 mL Humboldt Honey

PPM 900, EC 1.26, pH 6.0, Temp 65F

About 8 Gallons of run-off, tested at 876 ppm

Ladies are lookin great, although they grew another 2 inches since
yesterday...

Veggies will be receiving a feeding tomorrow,
plus I'll be posting pics to update the page

Fed the veggies last night

12 Gallons for 8 plants = 1.5 Gallons per plant

100 mL Coco A
100 mL Coco B
80 mL Rhizotonic
80 mL Hygrozyme
30 mL Humic Acid
30 mL Fulvic Acid
1 scoop Great White Mycorrhiza

ppm 690, EC 1.0, pH 6.0, temp 65

sorry i;ve been so behind with updates... busy man, when I have something
important or nice to show, believe me i will photograph it!

Feeding the flowers later, its week 3 day 1

dont keep us waiting too much longer

nicceeee bro

hey Shrubs. nice setup you have going here.

So you're a fan of the Humic and fulvic acid aye? is that for veg and bloom?

i've used Budswel Guano in the past, but way back when i was making lots o mistakes - so I don't even remember if I was using it correctly, in the right amounts, etc. Is this best for amendments and veg cycle only?

one more question - the Great White Mycorrhiza - you're adding that to the nute mix? I thought that stuff was just something you mixed into the medium when transplanting, or starting a new container? You put some into each feed during veg?

thx for answering the questions.

buraka415 said:

hey Shrubs. nice setup you have going here.

So you're a fan of the Humic and fulvic acid aye? is that for veg and bloom?

i've used Budswel Guano in the past, but way back when i was making lots o mistakes - so I don't even remember if I was using it correctly, in the right amounts, etc. Is this best for amendments and veg cycle only?

one more question - the Great White Mycorrhiza - you're adding that to the nute mix? I thought that stuff was just something you mixed into the medium when transplanting, or starting a new container? You put some into each feed during veg?

thx for answering the questions.

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i'd also like a lecture on humic and fulvic acid.

as for the Mycorrhiza, i haven't used great white, but I think it is water soluble. The granular mycorrhiza is cheaper and is mixed into the medium (I use this kind, b/c I'm not organic and don't necessarily need them). The great white is a good idea if you are have your plants on a rigorous feeding schedule and are using fertilizers that are not in a usable form for the plant. The lives of some of the organism are relatively short also (10-15 days).

In my setup I don't place high priority on them. I do inoculate, because IMO the most benefit a container plant derives from them is how they move nutrients not available to the plants (because of the small root systems) throughout the soil/soilless medium. This is very helpful early on when the plants root system is not as vast and is being established. (at 4 weeks flowering my roots surface area touch every centimeter of the medium). High levels of fertilizer salts can kill your microcolony so replenishing them with a water soluble substance is a good idea if all the above techniques are how you grow. You can also side-dress the containers with the granular variety.

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come back shrubs...

Awesome setup and I love watching your grows, I'm on my first and just have two blackjacks 5 weeks in and they unfortunately don't look nearly as beautiful as yours but I am learning quite a bit so thank you very much, keep up the great work




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notoriousb said:

dont keep us waiting too much longer

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Really screwed the pooch on that one, but its been worth it, you'll see!

goofygolfer said:

nicceeee bro

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Thanks, but i ran in to some huge problems, (mainly the plant height)
but now, never again!

buraka415 said:

hey Shrubs. nice setup you have going here.

So you're a fan of the Humic and fulvic acid aye? is that for veg and bloom?

i've used Budswel Guano in the past, but way back when i was making lots o mistakes - so I don't even remember if I was using it correctly, in the right amounts, etc. Is this best for amendments and veg cycle only?

one more question - the Great White Mycorrhiza - you're adding that to the nute mix? I thought that stuff was just something you mixed into the medium when transplanting, or starting a new container? You put some into each feed during veg?

thx for answering the questions.

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Preciate it dude, medicalmary took care of most of your questions, so i'll elaborate on the Humic/fulvic
in my response to her!

medicalmary said:

i'd also like a lecture on humic and fulvic acid.

as for the Mycorrhiza, i haven't used great white, but I think it is water soluble. The granular mycorrhiza is cheaper and is mixed into the medium (I use this kind, b/c I'm not organic and don't necessarily need them). The great white is a good idea if you are have your plants on a rigorous feeding schedule and are using fertilizers that are not in a usable form for the plant. The lives of some of the organism are relatively short also (10-15 days).

In my setup I don't place high priority on them. I do inoculate, because IMO the most benefit a container plant derives from them is how they move nutrients not available to the plants (because of the small root systems) throughout the soil/soilless medium. This is very helpful early on when the plants root system is not as vast and is being established. (at 4 weeks flowering my roots surface area touch every centimeter of the medium). High levels of fertilizer salts can kill your microcolony so replenishing them with a water soluble substance is a good idea if all the above techniques are how you grow. You can also side-dress the containers with the granular variety.

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come back shrubs...

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I'm back! Thanks for the support, and the great input. So humic and fulvics.

Humic Acid is a natural chelate, it binds up radical electrons and ions and helps
deliver them to the roots, it has also been shown to reduce stress on plants by
blocking hormones from signaling stress receptors which is a huge help in indoor
gardening. It's used as a soil conditioner, and is used throughout the whole cycle,
increasing a bit each week. Humic acid molecule chains are not able to be taken up
by the roots, so the stay in the soil.

Fulvic acid is derived from humic acid and the molecule chains of this are able to be
taken up by roots, Fulvic acid is very active with many open rings, giving it a large
capacity to hold and exchange nutritive cat-ions and an-ions. This beneficial exchange
of ions enhances cell wall permeability throughout the root and leaf systems and increases
negatively charged colloidal particles capable of holding and exchanging cat-ions. it expands
a plants ability to use Electrolytes, which is amazing!

blueberryblitz said:

Awesome setup and I love watching your grows, I'm on my first and just have two blackjacks 5 weeks in and they unfortunately don't look nearly as beautiful as yours but I am learning quite a bit so thank you very much, keep up the great work




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Thanks i'll check out your setup and see if i can help out.

Next post will be full of goodies.

Problems in my grow hut arose, the Island Sweet Skunk, a beautiful variety indeed had seriously out
grown my space. Backed in to a corner I was and all I could do was drop my hut and use the whole
room space!

It took about 6 hours to do it, but once I got started i didnt look back!

Step one, cut the trellis netting off the plants.
Step two, take the plants out one by one and place them in the living room.
Step three, take the beds and all the equipment out, environmental control, hoods, carbon filter, fans
etc.
Step four, drop the hut and pack it up.
Step five, take out all the shelving and whatever else is in the room.
Vacuum, bleach, and bleach some more.

I have a window unit AC which is 6000 BTU's, the window is sealed using purple board, it's dry
wall, but both sides of the dry wall have a coating providing resistance to moisture as well as molds
and bacteria.

Bought 300' square feet of Polyurethane (white black poly) aka panda film. and lined 3 out of the 4
walls in my room, as well as covering the floor in clear poly.

Far wall with the shelving


All the nutes


Keepin it real simple, 5 gallon buckets as stands and a 6 gallon bucket which is able to catch runoff
from both trays!


Lights are bolted to the ceilings and are 30 inches from the plants now!





The Island Sweet Skunk


I wanted them to max out at 26-28 inches, they grow to 42 and I had to chop em back, and yet they
were STILL taller than my lights!


God's Gift


GG


This is how a sealed rooms should be, I got temps dialed in at 78 in the day and 68 at night,
with humidity of 35% in the day and 45% at night, better than I've ever had. I've also been
keeping my nutrient doses a TON lower, my EC max in my past grows has been around 2.1-2.3
this grow, my max EC has been 1.3 and the ladies are LOVIN it! Stay tuned for more updates,
i'm back in the game.

good to see ya back Shrubs, I finally started my CMH grow after buying a new house

your new room is looking awesome

damn man quite the change up, I like it. lotssss of room.
you still using your tents for veg and staggering them for a perpetual?

they look very very healthy...i like the new setup..but is that as close as you can get the lights to the canopy?..i see you dont have any fans hooked up to the hoods, are they that much hotter?

his lights vs canopy is perfect, it is wrong to have it overly close, some folks refuse to learn that, my 400 watter is 32 inches away and I'm getting stellar growth, so much you can almost watch it

riddleme said:

good to see ya back Shrubs, I finally started my CMH grow after buying a new house

your new room is looking awesome

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thanks Riddle, great news about the CMH, i'm excited to see the results. I also use Metal Halides for flowering,
although these are Pulse-Start Metal Halides, which CMH's are too. But, i'm not exactly sure what is different
about mine, I know they come in different Kelvin ratings, 3000k, 4000k, 6400k, and 10,000k. They are also
specifically made to be run on Digital/Electronic Ballasts and run at much much higher frequency's than traditional
probe starters. The spectrum of light is claimed by Sunpulse to be a replication of the sun according to "military standards"

notoriousb said:

damn man quite the change up, I like it. lotssss of room.
you still using your tents for veg and staggering them for a perpetual?

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Yea huge change, and yes i'm still running a hut in my bedroom for veggies.

MEANGREEN69 said:

they look very very healthy...i like the new setup..but is that as close as you can get the lights to the canopy?..i see you dont have any fans hooked up to the hoods, are they that much hotter?

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Not "as close as I can get" but you don't need to be any closer, at 3 feet a 600 watt puts out near 10,000 lumens.
I hate referring to lumens as if they mean something for plants though

riddleme said:

his lights vs canopy is perfect, it is wrong to have it overly close, some folks refuse to learn that, my 400 watter is 32 inches away and I'm getting stellar growth, so much you can almost watch it

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Yep, my plants are really enjoying this far away placement, all the space in the world now