Controlled Environment Agriculture by Shrubs

Im sure it's hard for him to keep up with everyone's questions that they are asking him and could easily be googled or used the "search" feature on any major vBulletins weed forums website. I can answer that question that is now hidden 3 pages back. You still may be ok with the hermie unless it was full blown. If you had just a few nanners that opened and might have pollenated some lower branches, itll probably still be ok, just keep an eye on it. The lower branches will probably have some seeds and the top colas will be alright. You can actually pollenate different brances of bud and still be ok, hence why so many breeders can multi pollenate plants using different arms as 'test sites'. It probably wont be top notch but I bet youll still have some smoke. Entirely up to you if you pull that lady out or keep her going, since he/she blew her load all over your plants already, doesnt do much good to cull her now. Main cola should probably be ok with maybe a few seeds here and there. This happened with a Dieselrella I grew last round. I had some bottom branches that got pollenated but that top scrogged out colas were completely fine. Made trim outta the bottom branches no biggie, that mom got chopped though.

rfun said:

I guess my last post with questions was pretty meaningless to you since you never replied?

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Easy there tiger, it's difficult answering every question. Especially when I'm focusing on
questions directed at or relating to my setup.

rfun said:

Hey Shrubs you basically just use the trellis for support right? Either way looking great. I'm alittle disappointed with mine, first Coco grow and 1 of my strains, Twilight from Dutch Passion, hermied. I caught it to late and I'm pretty much screwed. Well it pollinated itself mainly, meaning the hermies got mostly themselves but they did manage to get my other plants. Some real bad and some very little. But I was talking to a friend that works at my local Hydro store and he told me just to ride it out that other than the undesirable seeds they should still bud out okay? Do you agree? Have any input on that? The main colas look like they are budding normal its mostly the small branches that look like they have clusters of seeds on them but he said leave them alone cause they should bud out too???? What do you think?

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Yes the trellis is purely for supportive purposes. I didn't see that you had posted a question within your story.

As for hermies, its up to you. I couldn't afford to allow one to really let loose in my warehouse. I'd be fucked.

If you are growing for personal consumption, what does a few seeds mean to you? Just make sure to get them out
before you smoke!

Thanks for your response Jesus and BTW I caught the sarcasm before you edited Lol!!!!! Your answer is pretty much what I expected, I was just looking for some opinions. I am no noob, have about 10 grows under my belt, but this has never happened to me so I kinda freaked. Since you seem to have some knowledge and experience on this topic, do you think I can continue to flower in this room or do I run the risk of pollen still being around? Cause I've had some people tell me I have to spray it down with bleach and stuff. I'm running a perpetual grow so I would litterally have to move everything out, including lights, hose down and put everything back. I would sure hate to have to do that.

jesushadafender said:

Im sure it's hard for him to keep up with everyone's questions that they are asking him and could easily be googled or used the "search" feature on any major vBulletins weed forums website. I can answer that question that is now hidden 3 pages back. You still may be ok with the hermie unless it was full blown. If you had just a few nanners that opened and might have pollenated some lower branches, itll probably still be ok, just keep an eye on it. The lower branches will probably have some seeds and the top colas will be alright. You can actually pollenate different brances of bud and still be ok, hence why so many breeders can multi pollenate plants using different arms as 'test sites'. It probably wont be top notch but I bet youll still have some smoke. Entirely up to you if you pull that lady out or keep her going, since he/she blew her load all over your plants already, doesnt do much good to cull her now. Main cola should probably be ok with maybe a few seeds here and there. This happened with a Dieselrella I grew last round. I had some bottom branches that got pollenated but that top scrogged out colas were completely fine. Made trim outta the bottom branches no biggie, that mom got chopped though.

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I think either way you should always spray down the room before the next run to kill any nasties that may be around either pollen ,unwanted bacterias or contaminants. Its tough with perpetual but I think its necessary. Cleanliness in grow rooms is of the utmost importance. Growing is a pain in the ass, thats why not everyone does it, and other reasons as well of course.

Glad that is sorted out. You the man mr hey-zues.

Didnt mean to come off as a jerk Shrubs, just needed the input. Thanks to both of you!

Shrubs First said:

1. This is Hydro. Coco is an inert medium which requires a specialty hydroponic solution. The fact
that I top feed by hand means nothing.

2. Do your math again bro. I am perpetual. The goal is 1 gram per watt over the course of TWO months.
With 24kW the goal would be to equal 48lbs every TWO months if i were growing bumper crops. Being
that I'm growing PERPETUALLY, I will be harvesting HALF of my crop ONCE a month or 20ish pounds, I'm
not planning on hitting 1 gram per watt on me first grow here man, I'm actually only planning on hitting about
14-15 this month, which would be 30lbs over the course of two if it were repeated or .75gpw... Question, how would
someone possibly yield their whole crop once per month if it takes two months to flower. Please read more thoroughly.

3. No, it seems you do not quite understand how this all works, my employees need to have a better
attention to detail than what you've shown.

If I wanted it automated, I would automate it.

I guess its a good thing your posts are fictional.

(no hard feelings or aggression, but your post was pretty weak)

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1. By hydro, I less meant the medium and more the methods involved. With such a large setup, I was expecting something less manually-intensive (like an ebb and flow, for example).

2. You said 20lbs a month so I figured you had two flowering rooms producing 20lbs a month. I have two flowering rooms so that I can keep the power steady with one room on and one room off so I just (wrongly) assumed your situation was similar to mine. 20lbs a month and 40lbs every two months are very different things but because you expanded upon your previous statements, I NOW understand that you are harvesting half your crops at a time.

3. I understand how my system works, I was simply asking about yours. I don't want to work for anyone anyways, but I wouldn't mind going to Colorado!

4. Why don't you want to automate it? I've automated mine to a certain point and am looking to automate it fully so that I can control everything remotely. What are the draw backs in your opinion?

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1. By hydro, I less meant the medium and more the methods involved. With such a large setup, I was expecting something less manually-intensive (like an ebb and flow, for example).

2. You said 20lbs a month so I figured you had two flowering rooms producing 20lbs a month. I have two flowering rooms so that I can keep the power steady with one room on and one room off so I just (wrongly) assumed your situation was similar to mine. 20lbs a month and 40lbs every two months are very different things but because you expanded upon your previous statements, I NOW understand that you are harvesting half your crops at a time.

3. I understand how my system works, I was simply asking about yours. I don't want to work for anyone anyways, but I wouldn't mind going to Colorado!

4. Why don't you want to automate it? I've automated mine to a certain point and am looking to automate it fully so that I can control everything remotely. What are the draw backs in your opinion?

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1. K.I.S.S. If by manually intensive you mean I mix up my reservoir and roll around in a wheeled chair
and feed using a pump, hose and water wand. Than yea, spending two minutes every other day with each
and every plant is a huge bitch... :-/ There's really no better way to spend your time.

I would not like to be dependent upon pumps and timers. Ebb+Flo? If you're growing in Rockwool or Hydrocorals
and a pump fails or a timer goes out or your power goes out your plants are dead in 24 hours or less. I am not
willing to lose a crop in a situation such as that.

2. Even if my 24kW were divided in to two rooms, how would you expect to yield 50lbs per month? Your math is still off.
It's still only 24kW.

3. It's not about understanding the system, its your attention detail I see lacking.

4. Automation is the next best thing to laziness. I have surveillance cameras with which I can view my grow as well as monitor
RH%, temp and CO2 levels. I'm happy for your remotes.

The rest of the trays are built and have been placed in the room.

The next group of veggies will be ready to be moved in 10 days from now.

Pay no attention to the black trays in there, my predecessors were using them and I will
be replacing them with the legit white botanicare trays soon.

12x 4'x8' trays beneath 24,000 Watts.

other then for reflectivity, is there another reason you prefer the 'legit' botanicaire ones?

eyecandi said:

other then for reflectivity, is there another reason you prefer the 'legit' botanicaire ones?

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Reflectivity has little to do with it.. Its the fact that the black ones measure much smaller,
As you can see in the picture. And they are very flimsy.

lol, gotcha. I never liked the black ones myself, never really noticed the size shortfall, but did have a few easily break years back (flimsy as you said) so quit using em.

Shrubs I was about to buy a 2x2 tray, you like Botanicare above all the other brands? ActiveAqua?

Ive only tried Botanicare personally but they're rigid and are quite sturdy. Never really had a complaint with them. I would say the tray also depends on what purpose you're going to be using it for, ebb and flow, etc...I see a lot of peoples grows around here and overwhelming majority rock the Botanicares.

The ABS plastic used in botanicare is a higher grade plastic than most.

You buy one and it'll last a lifetime.

I havent used other trays because when i bought my first trays Botanicare
was the top of the line and there were less others around. Now I mainly stay
with them to keep my equipment consistent. To my knowledge there may be
comparable products. But you really can't best the botanicares.

Shrubs First said:

The ABS plastic used in botanicare is a higher grade plastic than most.

You buy one and it'll last a lifetime.

I havent used other trays because when i bought my first trays Botanicare
was the top of the line and there were less others around. Now I mainly stay
with them to keep my equipment consistent. To my knowledge there may be
comparable products. But you really can't best the botanicares.

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Thanks man! Just needed a solid opinion before I bought one. Just using it as a simple method of flushing my ladies...room is small, plants are large, no easy way to move them in and out to flush in a sink, so just gonna run garden hose from the 2x2 tray with 1 plant in it to the sink and water away, turning pump on when water level gets high enough. Pain in the friggin ass, but I dont have any other way to flush them thoroughly without carrying them all over the house..which can't happen.

Thanks for the response!

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Just thought Id add to the love, here's the progress on some of the buds over this way. They're around 40 days give or take Id say. Oger99, Chem Sour D's (thats just a hair in the 3rd pic), and finally Glass Slipper. Also popped some seeds tonight for future runs, OGRaskals Super Skunk X Alien Kush, Topdawgs Tres Kush (Pure Kush X Tres Dawg), and Rez's Sour Diesel IBL. Can only imagine how massive these will be under some warehouse watts...

Very nice Hey-Zeus. I can't wait to get the newly popped genetics. All of those seeds are wicked.

Thanks dude, yea they should be really good. Im hoping for really nice Alien Kush as well as a super stinky roadkill skunk phenos outta that Alien SS pack, Im sure all of them will be winners seeing as its a Raskal pack. Tons of new stuff comin up we have all those seeds ^ there and also KKSC (kyle kushmans straw cough), Aliendawg (ether cut), P Dawg (HP13 X Tresdawg), Chem Jones ( Casey Jones X Chemdog BX), and also an authentic grandaddy purps, which may be kinda cool.

jesushadafender said:

Thanks dude, yea they should be really good. Im hoping for really nice Alien Kush as well as a super stinky roadkill skunk phenos outta that Alien SS pack, Im sure all of them will be winners seeing as its a Raskal pack. Tons of new stuff comin up we have all those seeds ^ there and also KKSC (kyle kushmans straw cough), Aliendawg (ether cut), P Dawg (HP13 X Tresdawg), Chem Jones ( Casey Jones X Chemdog BX), and also an authentic grandaddy purps, which may be kinda cool.

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Authentic Granddaddy, eh? I'll have to run a few here and there.