Countryfarmer's outdoor grow

Uncle Ben

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I usually don't use anything, haven't before. The orthene and pyrethrins should carry me through I use commericially so it's cheap and available. Pyrethrins is safe for mammals but really kicks ass on insects as does imidacloprid. Labeled for all edibles including tobacco.
 

Countryfarmer

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Ok, for anyone new to growing, or thinking about doing an outdoor grow, I thought it might be helpful for me to post the mistakes I have made so far in my first outdoor grow.

(1) Fertilizing too early. I killed about ten seedlings because I hit them with fertilizer when they were only about two weeks old.

Lesson Learned: Do not fertilize your new seedlings with a strong fertilizer when they are young. If you absolutely have to hit them with something in order to feel as if you are doing something, then make a manure tea and use that. If you don't want to make the tea (or don't care to learn how to make your own) you can buy tea from many hydro stores and nurseries.

(2) Over-watering while potted. Luckily I didn't kill any of the plants, but I did stunt their growth some early on.

Lesson Learned: Let the plant dry out in between watering. Each plant will be different as to how much water it uses, even if planted at exactly the same time. There are many different methods of ensuring you do not over-water your plants. You can weigh the pots both wet and dry, feel the soil, look at the soil, or, even better, invest in a decent moisture measuring tool.

(3) Transplanting into an unsuitable native soil. Hasn't caused me any issues yet, but may end up limiting the size of my plants.

Lesson Learned: Heavy clay soils are not the best soil type. While heavy clay soil is fairly common here in my state, I should have found a better site. But, instead I fell in love with my current outdoor site because of its relatively close proximity to a natural water source, concealing features of the old growth blackberry site I am using and great sunlight.

(4) Amending a heavy clay soil. Hasn't caused me any issues yet, but may end up limiting the size of my plants.

Lesson Learned: Amending a heavy clay soil will most likely cause my roots to want to stay within the amended "better" soil. This issue is not as big of a deal because I did dig some relatively large holes (each hole displaced 5 or more cu ft of native earth - about 35+ gallons per hole).

(5) Using an auger to dig in a heavy clay soil without fracturing the sides and bottoms of the hole. Has caused the death of two of my best plants. I incorrectly watered my plants because I mistook over-watering stress for under-watering stress (both stresses appear similar).

Lesson Learned: In a heavy clay soil the walls and bottom of the hole dug should be uneven, not smooth. Use a large screwdriver or chisel to create nooks and crannies in the sides and bottom of the hole. This will encourage the roots to expand into the native soil section.

Actually, if I had everything to do over again, I would have transplanted my plants to a 5 gallon bucket with drain holes in the bottom and sides of the bucket. I would have then buried the bucket into a properly fractured hole. This would have allowed me to have a good quality grow soil and the roots could travel out of the drain holes and into the native soil. Sort of the best of both worlds in a bad native soil.

I hope my grow is helping someone else, but documenting it is most certainly helping me.

Thanks again to everyone who has offered constructive criticism. Special thanks to FDD and TheLoadedDragon. Very special thanks to Uncle Ben.
 

Norcal14

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Hey man we have all been there its a grea thing though your learning from your mistakes thats what makes you a better grower keep it up!
 

Dizz1e

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Awesome thread man, I really love the way you documenting your errors and lesson's learned. Very informative!

Can't wait to see more. You should be enjoying quite a harvest this year!
 

Countryfarmer

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Awesome thread man, I really love the way you documenting your errors and lesson's learned. Very informative!

Can't wait to see more. You should be enjoying quite a harvest this year!
Thanks Dizzle. I just hope that someone else who is perhaps thinking of doing a grow for the first time is learning something from my mistakes.
 

Countryfarmer

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Well, we had a heavy storm come through here last night and I knew that since my plants were not staked some might have been affected by the high winds. And I was right.

I went to the site this morning and found that four of my plants had been bent to the ground. Two appear to have main stalk damage below the ground and two were LST'd by nature. Without screwing too much with the two that appeared to have below the soil line damage, I ensured that as many of their leaves as possible were spread out to capture the sun. I'll do a more permanent fix on my next visit tomorrow.

Good news is that my largest plants are now four feet in height and growing strong.
 

Countryfarmer

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do you have gofers in your area?
No, that is one of the few benefits of a heavy clay soil. While gophers are throughout all of NA, they prefer a looser soil. Additionally I have not seen any sign of mounds or tunneling to indicate gophers.

I do have a large number of rabbits and deer, but neither one likes the liquid fence I have put up and renew on a regular basis. I don't blame them. I got that stuff in my face and thought I was going to throw up, lol.
 

Countryfarmer

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Ok, well this time when I edited the post all of my pics showed up, but are lumped together. Not trying to separate them in case I screw it up some more, lol.

The four small plants are about two weeks behind the rest and are a bit stunted due to where they are at in the grow site.

You can also see the two water stressed plants, one of which I believe to be dead.

And then there are the rest, which seem to be doing just fine. As a scale, the stakes are 5' in length and each are about 6" to 12" into the ground. My largest plant is now 4.5' tall.

As you can see I am angling most of the plants. This is being done to take advantage of as much of the sun exposure as possible.
 

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Countryfarmer

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No clue how I ended up attaching my pics that way. But if you click on each one you can see them.

Oh, and Lesson Learned: Always stake or support your plants before they get damaged by wind/heavy rain.
 

Countryfarmer

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somethings killing your roots... if its not gofers its something. I doubt at this point that its overwatering.
The larger of the two plants is recovering. I know it looks bad, but it used to look worse.

The smaller I believe is dead, which while not what I wanted, I can use the space for some new seedlings. I know they will probably only get to a couple of feet or so before flowering, but something in that space is better than nothing.
 

Countryfarmer

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Nice garden man. Wish I had an area like that.
Start scouting out one now man. Now is the perfect time to begin planning for next year's grow. Drive until you hit rural area, then drive some more, then start hiking until you find a good site. Its how I found this location.
 

Uncle Ben

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Start scouting out one now man. Now is the perfect time to begin planning for next year's grow. Drive until you hit rural area, then drive some more, then start hiking until you find a good site. Its how I found this location.
It is not too late to start seedlings and have a great harvest in the south. I could start seedlings indoors and have them ready to flower by 4 weeks. Keep them under HID inside, a 20/4 photoperiod, plant them outside and they will start flowering quickly.
 
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