Covid-19

DCcan

DCcan

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I'm guessing the dude's are blowing smoke out the windows more than animated cartoon beings with yellow clouds of mucus, since the smoker's can't go out. Maybe a hibachi grill or Sage cleansing was starting up.

Of the 2 , which is more likely and go from there for an alternate hypothesis...
 
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curious2garden

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tyler.durden said:
Who is saying that no one has immunity? The folks that have recovered from the virus are surely immune to it, right? I refuse to go through that shit again...
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If it didn't confer immunity we couldn't do an ELISA test for that specific antibody:
www.epitopediagnostics.com

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It's believed that SARS-CoV 2 will confer the same or similar, approximately 3 year, immunity that was seen with SARS-CoV 1 and MERs. There is a small portion of the population, 5-10%, who previously tested positive, tested negative, and then tested positive again. This can happen for several reasons some of which are:
(1) Faulty specimen collection,
(2) Faulty tests,
(3) Person not fully recovered shows a dip in viral shedding. The path of a viral infection is not linear it can increase and decrease with our bodies immune system so at times we could still have this illness but be subclinical,
(4) Other rare issues

You wouldn't have so many vaccines in the pipeline right now and they wouldn't be using convalescent sera if we didn't build antibodies. This is an good article about convalescent plasma:

JCI - The convalescent sera option for containing COVID-19

www.jci.org www.jci.org

Tyler thanks for being a calm voice of reason and rational thought.
 
natureboygrower

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DCcan said:
Not a cure, but made my throat fell better, and the only way to make Jaegermeister bearable.:P
The herbs are great for topical relief and really relax your breathing.
Some herbs don't come with alcohol, adjust accordingly with 151.
Covid seems more like a allergic reaction working down your throat than a flu with mucus.
You need to produce antibodies before it gets to your lungs, or you got big trouble.
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Moxie mixes surprisingly well with jaeger. They both have that dirt/tree root taste to them.
 
DCcan

DCcan

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I use Jaegermeister for occasional asthma and coughs, because it works better than any over the counter meds or cough drops.
Just little micro sips works better than shots. Cheaper than cough syrup with none of the ill effects other than to the palate.
 
lokie

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Yesyes3000 said:
I swear 4 days ago I saw covid in the air. Like this patch of stained air almost outside this guys apartments building right on there porch stairs where they were sitting. And they now are sick with covid 19 sysmptons. Has anyone else seen something in the air ?? It’s hard to explain
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Welcome to TnT!

This is an asinine thought and statment if you have understood even a minimum of what is happening in today's news.

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Also Im not positive about this. , just a weird incident..... but fuck what if all of a sudden lots of people start saying the same thing as me.
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You're trying to scare the children.

Stop it.
Sounds like you have a dick in your mouth GIFs - Get the best GIF ...
 
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DCcan

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ANC said:
Then again we get the flu every fkng year
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That's where we dodged a bullet with Ebola and SARs, they don't mutate as easily.
We were lucky they dropped people in their tracks, in one way.
That may change as survivors have caches of the virus in parts of their bodies.
5 billion hosts is 5 billion chances of mutation.
 
greg nr

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curious2garden said:
If it didn't confer immunity we couldn't do an ELISA test for that specific antibody:
www.epitopediagnostics.com

Epitope Diagnostics Inc. | Leading Provider of In-Vitro Diagnostics

Epitope Diagnostics Inc., a certified medical device manufacturer, specializes in niche immunoassays, offering ELISA kits, rapid tests, and antibodies.
www.epitopediagnostics.com www.epitopediagnostics.com

It's believed that SARS-CoV 2 will confer the same or similar, approximately 3 year, immunity that was seen with SARS-CoV 1 and MERs. There is a small portion of the population, 5-10%, who previously tested positive, tested negative, and then tested positive again. This can happen for several reasons some of which are:
(1) Faulty specimen collection,
(2) Faulty tests,
(3) Person not fully recovered shows a dip in viral shedding. The path of a viral infection is not linear it can increase and decrease with our bodies immune system so at times we could still have this illness but be subclinical,
(4) Other rare issues

You wouldn't have so many vaccines in the pipeline right now and they wouldn't be using convalescent sera if we didn't build antibodies. This is an good article about convalescent plasma:

JCI - The convalescent sera option for containing COVID-19

www.jci.org www.jci.org

Tyler thanks for being a calm voice of reason and rational thought.
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On the other hand... The chinese went back and checked on the levels of antibodies in people who had been diagnosed with the virus and recovered. While there were some individuals who showed no antibodies, the significant findings were they found a not insignificant number of people who had only a very minimal amount of antibodies. This leads to a concern that not everyone who got the virus has a level of immunity that will protect them. Most of the people with very low antibody levels were young.

The reason you can discount those with zero antibodies is that they may never had the disease to begin with. But if someone has some, but not a lot of antibodies, they were exposed and didn't develop a level of immunity that would protect them.

That may have an important impact the efficacy of any vaccine for a portion of the population. Just as the flu vaccine is not 100% effective, any CV-19 vaccine will also have a less than perfect efficacy.

But will it be enough to emerge from our bunkers? It will likely have to be. Unfortunately, it will be a year to 18 months before we get a dose.

Initial supplies will go to critical job functions; military, law enforcement, healthcare workers etc. Then next will come politicians and those connected enough, or rich enough, to jump the queue. Just as we saw with testing, if you have the money, you have access to the rare resources.

Finally, as supplies begin to become available, it will begin to appear in public supplies - rationed to vulnerable communities at first - then more broadly available.

If you tried to get the shingles vaccine, you get the drill. "No, we don't have any doses for your age group at this time". Even when it became broadly available, finding a dose was nearly impossible. It is only now getting to the point where anyone who wants it can get it. Almost 3 years after it was approved and released.
 
DCcan

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greg nr said:
The reason you can discount those with zero antibodies is that they may never had the disease to begin with. But if someone has some, but not a lot of antibodies, they were exposed and didn't develop a level of immunity that would protect them.
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Or they are producing a different protein that protects them. They may not get an immune response to start with.
 
curious2garden

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greg nr said:
On the other hand... The chinese went back and checked on the levels of antibodies in people who had been diagnosed with the virus and recovered. While there were some individuals who showed no antibodies, the significant findings were they found a not insignificant number of people who had only a very minimal amount of antibodies. This leads to a concern that not everyone who got the virus has a level of immunity that will protect them. Most of the people with very low antibody levels were young.

The reason you can discount those with zero antibodies is that they may never had the disease to begin with. But if someone has some, but not a lot of antibodies, they were exposed and didn't develop a level of immunity that would protect them.

That may have an important impact the efficacy of any vaccine for a portion of the population. Just as the flu vaccine is not 100% effective, any CV-19 vaccine will also have a less than perfect efficacy.

But will it be enough to emerge from our bunkers? It will likely have to be. Unfortunately, it will be a year to 18 months before we get a dose.

Initial supplies will go to critical job functions; military, law enforcement, healthcare workers etc. Then next will come politicians and those connected enough, or rich enough, to jump the queue. Just as we saw with testing, if you have the money, you have access to the rare resources.

Finally, as supplies begin to become available, it will begin to appear in public supplies - rationed to vulnerable communities at first - then more broadly available.

If you tried to get the shingles vaccine, you get the drill. "No, we don't have any doses for your age group at this time". Even when it became broadly available, finding a dose was nearly impossible. It is only now getting to the point where anyone who wants it can get it. Almost 3 years after it was approved and released.
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I think I grouped some of what you're saying into #4 and I agree. There is no medical treatment that has 100% efficacy, and no completely known path of illness, otherwise it would be the science of medicine and not the art. Hopefully when mitigating solutions are found they will they will be rolled out in a logical manner. I was merely trying to say the sky wasn't falling. But essentially everyone has to decide for themselves, thanks.
 
doublejj

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Troubling headlines have been cropping up across Asia: Some patients in China, Japan and South Korea who were diagnosed with COVID-19 and seemingly recovered have been readmitted to the hospital after testing positive for the virus again.
This has huge implications for the spread of the disease, since researchers believe it will continue to crash across the world in waves, hitting the same country multiple times.
time.com

What to Know About Coronavirus Immunity and Chances of Reinfection

Some COVID-19 patients are testing positive after recovering in Asia, but experts say the presence of antibodies should guarantee short-term immunity
time.com time.com
 
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