Creation vs Evolution vs Whatever Else

CrackerJax

New Member
Yes TBT, the operative word being cult. Imagine trying to explain the Bible to a young adult for the very first time... with no preconditioning :wink:. In just a few generations, the Bible would be an oddity.
 

mindphuk

Well-Known Member
I would like just one evolution denier give a reasonable creationist explanation of Human Chromosome number 2.
This fusion of ape chromosomes found in the human genome is solid evidence of common ancestry. In fact finding these fused chromosomes was a prediction based in evolution, something that the creationists claim cannot be done.
The evidence for evolution is overwhelming if you just take the time to look. We can use genetics to trace lineage far back in the evolutionary tree, showing which species are related and which ones ended up in a separate branch.

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.
--Theodosius Dobzhansky (
1900-1975) Russian geneticist and evolutionary biologist
[/FONT]

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]Evolution is the GUT (GRAND UNIFYING THEORY) of biology. It is the bedrock principle of our scientific understanding of the natural laws that govern life. Furthermore, it is logically necessary for life's survival in a changing world environment. To deny this scientific principle is analogous to believing that the earth is the center of the universe!
--Dr. J. William Schopf,
paleobiologist and director of UCLA's Center for the Study of Evolution and the Origin of Life
[/FONT]

These quotes are significant because all of biology today is evolutionary. Every scientific and medical advance that is made, only could have occurred with evolution in mind. The fact is that science itself is self-correcting and self-confirming. If the science was wrong, the results of the science would not work. You would not be typing on your computer and benefiting from modern medicines if the basic theories of science were incorrect. Germ theory, atomic theory, cosmology, as well as evolutionary theory are all supported to be accurate models of the way things actually work by the very fact that we have technology based on them.

[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]A preacher thundering from his pulpit about the uniqueness of human beings with their God-given souls would not like to realize that his very gestures, the hairs that rose on his neck, the deepened tones of his outraged voice, and the perspiration that probably ran down his skin under clerical vestments are all manifestations of anger in mammals. If he was sneering at Darwin a bit (one does not need a mirror to know that one sneers), did he remember uncomfortably that a sneer is derived from an animal's lifting [of] its lip to remind an enemy of its fangs? Even while he was denying the principle of evolution, how could a vehement man doubt such intimate evidence?
--Sally Carrighar, Wild Heritage

[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]If every fossil were magicked away, the comparative study of modern organisms, of how their patterns of resemblances, especially of their genetic sequences, are distributed among species, and of how species are distributed among continents and islands, would still demonstrate, beyond all sane doubt, that our history is evolutionary, and that all living creatures are cousins. Fossils are a bonus. A welcome bonus, to be sure, but not an essential one. It is worth remembering this when creationists go on (as they tediously do) about "gaps" in the fossil record. The fossil record could be one big gap, and the evidence for evolution would still be overwhelmingly strong. At the same time, if we had only fossils and no other evidence, the fact of evolution would again be overwhelmingly supported. As things stand, we are blessed with both.
--Professor Richard Dawkins
[/FONT]
[FONT=Book Antiqua, Times New Roman, Times]
[/FONT]
 

yandi1

Active Member
have a quick research ona pygmy munchin whatever u wanna call it lol it was found in the indonesian islands a few years ago im sorry i cant give to much more info than that i was pretty ripped when i seen the doco but it pokes a few large holes in the evolutionary chain im not sayin evolution isnt tru but u mite find that stuff interestin if u can find it:P found a link that explains a tiny bit about it http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1027_041027_homo_floresiensis.html
 
P

PadawanBater

Guest
have a quick research ona pygmy munchin whatever u wanna call it lol it was found in the indonesian islands a few years ago im sorry i cant give to much more info than that i was pretty ripped when i seen the doco but it pokes a few large holes in the evolutionary chain im not sayin evolution isnt tru but u mite find that stuff interestin if u can find it:P found a link that explains a tiny bit about it http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1027_041027_homo_floresiensis.html

This chart depicts one view of the evolution and worldwide dispersal of the genus Homo. The new species, Homo floresiensis, is part of the Asian dispersals and is believed to be a long-term, isolated descendant of Javanese H. erectus, though it could be a recent divergence. The evolutionary history of Homo is becoming increasingly complex as new species are discovered.
This pic explains that it's just an isolated species of Homo from 18K years ago. Being on an island could create a number of different types of homo sapiens, this one just happened to be small, I don't think that says anything against the theory of evolution.
 

Attachments

polar

Well-Known Member
I think God created the Evolution Machine.... It's not Nature vs. Nurture... It's a degree of both, kind of thing....
And why are we so full of ourselves to think that we are it and everything is about us humans? The human body, as perfect as it is, HAS flaws. But I think the evolution system that God created will take care of that in due time. I believe that God created us for a purpose (and not one so petty that we can understand ourselves).
 

mindphuk

Well-Known Member
This pic explains that it's just an isolated species of Homo from 18K years ago. Being on an island could create a number of different types of homo sapiens, this one just happened to be small, I don't think that says anything against the theory of evolution.
Exactly, isolation is what drives selection. Who claims that this pokes holes in evolution? Oh, let me guess, ICR, AiG, or Hovind.
 

IndicaFatnHeavy

Active Member
i like the first post.. saying god created everything through evolution.... sounds cool

personally it was evolution.

god is something made up by people who are too afraid to die. afraid that they wont live anymore.. so they make up some bogus shit to make their mind at ease. It makes me angry how people kill other people over what their mind is too ignorant to comprehend. "Im going to kil lyou because u think god is a fat bald indian... no im going to kill u cuz u think hes an old carpenter with a beard "

my 17 cents
 

bicycle racer

Well-Known Member
to phonexaflame so you feel that the explanation of the true source of time matter energy consciousness life etc... before the big bang is trivial wtf are you talking about???? that? question is number#1 in importance and in no way trivial but its also unanswerable at this time and probably forever as far as were concerned as humans. but to say the origins of the universe as thats the word we use to explain the unexplainable is trivial is a rather belligerent and not a thought out opinion maybe i misinterpreted your post idk. whether your an atheist or deeply religious its the most important question. answer that and well.......????
 

GregD88

Well-Known Member
My personal belief is that God Created through evolution.

I believe he said let there be light earth etc, and it happened through evolution

As far as weed, I believe like most plants they evolved from other plants adapting to their environment.

I think there is some confusion in which people think that as god said "let there be", that it was instantaneous.

Just my thoughts

Trying to get this thread started
No offense but I hate when people say shit like that. They start off saying "God created everything" then the big bang and evolution theories will be proven and they'll say "Well god created the atom that started the big bang". They'll just keep trying to 1up science without providing any evidence behind their beliefs.
 

MARS1

Active Member
My personal belief is that God Created through evolution.

I believe he said let there be light earth etc, and it happened through evolution

As far as weed, I believe like most plants they evolved from other plants adapting to their environment.

I think there is some confusion in which people think that as god said "let there be", that it was instantaneous.

Just my thoughts

Trying to get this thread started
My thoughts Too. But I am nobody, and I see it's hot in here about this topic. People can't state ones opinion without someone getting their feelings hurt. :leaf: Unsubscribe
 
P

PadawanBater

Guest
My thoughts Too. But I am nobody, and I see it's hot in here about this topic. People can't state ones opinion without someone getting their feelings hurt. :leaf: Unsubscribe

Lol, dude, I hope you're not serious..
 

MARS1

Active Member
:leaf:yeah! Sounds like I have the hurt feelings! I have read the whole Thread and it seams like there is only one general opinion in here, and if you don't agree you get a new asshole! I am not for that! I thought people in here where knowledgeable and willing to listen to opinions. This is not a Good Thread! In my opinion! is not a fact.
This thread is like middle & High school! If you don't agree with the cool kids your not cool like us. it's stupid given the Topic were talking about.
It's a huge topic and people in here are on some kid stuff. We all need prayer! Chew on that.:leaf: "really good topic, little kids talking about it".:peace:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Well I'm not about to speak for others, but in my OPINION, fairly religious ppl tend to hang out together and agree with each others faith views. This is natural. I guess the same could be said for non religious folks.
Usually there is a harmony between the two, even perhaps the majority of the time.
However, it always hits a sour note when the religious group tries to compare Creationism with Evolution. It's apples and oranges.
Only one of those subjects is based on faith. The other has been rigorously tested over and over and even now today, being checked and double checked with real data.
The other one is all based on faith. You can't get away from the Bible with Creationism. A book which cannot be tested, cannot be verified, other than to say it existed and was passed on. That doesn't prove a whit of anything.

So only one actually uses a verifiable methodology. The other simply doesn't.

So when ppl get on here and post, they rightfully are entitled to their opinion, but when they insist on comparing apples to oranges, ....well, the fruit is going to fly...:lol:
 

mastakoosh

Well-Known Member
My personal belief is that God Created through evolution.

I believe he said let there be light earth etc, and it happened through evolution

As far as weed, I believe like most plants they evolved from other plants adapting to their environment.

I think there is some confusion in which people think that as god said "let there be", that it was instantaneous.

Just my thoughts

Trying to get this thread started
my thoughts exactly. i was just explaining this to my coworker the other night.:peace:
 
Top