Cutting Fan Leaves? A Mythbuster style experiment...

findme

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I'd love to see the "priceless solar panel" theory scrubbed. We already know that training encourages more colas and thereby a higher yield. Pruning does the same thing, by encouraging new growth. Those fan leaves might be priceless outdoors, protecting delicate flowers from direct afternoon sun, providing a large area for transpiration, and acting like a storage tank for the plan't nutrients.

However under controlled growing environments, that same fan leaf becomes a liability as it blocks precious light, takes from a plant's water and nute resources, yet the plant can thrive without it. I'd like to see 4 plants, 2 that undergo maintenance pruning and two left alone and never cut. It is obvious to me, at least, that the plant's getting shaping and excessive leaf removal will fare far better.
I'd love to see the solar panel theory scrubbed too but I'm still waiting on evidence before I start cutting leaves off.

Just because training gives you more colas doesn't = higher yield.Where are the scientific tests to say that training encourages a bigger yield? I haven't found them and interested to see them. have you?

I would love to see a a controlled test as well. I'm surprised no one has done one yet because this is an interesting test.
 

Serapis

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If you need proof of pruning producing higher yields, just look at Uncle Ben's topping thread. Some of those colas are huge. There are plenty of growers here that will tell you, from their own experience, that topping produces more tips, that lead to more colas. It is like scrogging. We alter the plant's normal routine to increase yield. Mankind has been doing it with food for centuries. Many of us growers have as well. Certainly LST, topping, scrogging, etc have been around for centuries?
 

allen bud

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LMAO, it hermied because you cut to much
Wow get real ppl, your doing tests that have been done a million times.
its sucks how outta hand this thread got...this is not even the topic...and how would trimming hermmie the plant??? let me know ...oyDSCI0025.jpg this plants been tooped and trimmed and grows under 1 300 watt cfl and is going to yeild over 2 zips..is trimming bad !????
 

findme

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If you need proof of pruning producing higher yields, just look at Uncle Ben's topping thread. Some of those colas are huge. There are plenty of growers here that will tell you, from their own experience, that topping produces more tips, that lead to more colas. It is like scrogging. We alter the plant's normal routine to increase yield. Mankind has been doing it with food for centuries. Many of us growers have as well. Certainly LST, topping, scrogging, etc have been around for centuries?
yeah, I have seen those pics and thats why I am going to top my plants next grow.. those colas are wow ( and why doesn't want multiple main colas!). He agrees with the solar panel theory though so that might be why they are so huge. Not only that but the nutes he uses is basically miracle grow ( I use it too and have great results).
 

The Knuck

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its sucks how outta hand this thread got...this is not even the topic...and how would trimming hermmie the plant??? let me know ...oyView attachment 1384609 this plants been tooped and trimmed and grows under 1 300 watt cfl and is going to yeild over 2 zips..is trimming bad !????

your not hearing me, are you sayoing OVER trimming in flower cant cause a hermie? because it can.

i know topping wont and i know trimming, especially in veg wont, but over trimming in flower can.
 

findme

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your not hearing me, are you sayoing OVER trimming in flower cant cause a hermie? because it can.

i know topping wont and i know trimming, especially in veg wont, but over trimming in flower can.
I agree with this. over trimming in flowering can cause hermie. i have seen it before. It wasn't my plant but I know someone who did
 

fleabit

Active Member
I said, "That's stupid" I suggest you lose your hard-on for me and move on.
Oh come on now Jappy we know you love a big hard on, especially when its in the form of a strap on, you get kwanky when the wife wont put on the strap on Jappy. That why you got banned from Mister Nice today and is that why your taking it out on these folks. Meth pipe is empty and mama wouldn't give you a good banging. Too bad loser.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice-vu-du-com-support/5740-shati-please-get-admini-stop-trolling-me.html

You are the worlds biggest crybaby cunt.LOL
 

HowzerMD

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... Certainly LST, topping, scrogging, etc have been around for centuries?
Fuckin-A we have, in some form or another. Which is why I think it's silly when folks argue over what method is better. Each way has it's pro's and con's , so not each one is suited to reach it's true potential in every environment. That's something to keep in mind.
 

Snow Crash

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That why you got banned from Mister Nice today and is that why your taking it out on these folks. Meth pipe is empty and mama wouldn't give you a good banging. Too bad loser.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice-vu-du-com-support/5740-shati-please-get-admini-stop-trolling-me.html
LOL!!! That was pretty funny to see.
Dude needs to come to terms with some simple facts. He claims not to "care" what anyone says or thinks yet spews his usually false opinion with the desire of being heard. Like a child throwing a tantrum just for the attention.

One of those "Just saying" kind of people. You know, because you can say anything you want if you are "just saying" it. You're mom is a slut, your girlfriend is ugly, and your sister swallows a mean load. Whoa man, don't get mad, I'm just saying.

This thread has no true purpose anymore. It became troll fodder because the thread starter has yet to learn how bad the trolling is around here.

Stress can force a plant to self pollinate. Be it light stress, physical stress, or environmental stress... Dark period interruptions, excessive defoliation, or extreme heat can all cause the same issue. It does not follow then that heat, or light, will cause herms. It takes an improper presence of these things that causes the problem.

Defoliating does not cause hermaphrodism. Excessive defoliation, during flowering, could cause a stress reaction that could activate dormant selfing genetics.

As with all things there is a middle road. Never remove more than 1/2 of the plant's leaf mass. I prefer defoliating every 4 days during veg to "harden" the plant. I stop defoliation after the 10th day of flowering. I know some people defoliate prior to flushing too which they claim increases bud mass at the end.
 

findme

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LOL!!! That was pretty funny to see.
Dude needs to come to terms with some simple facts. He claims not to "care" what anyone says or thinks yet spews his usually false opinion with the desire of being heard. Like a child throwing a tantrum just for the attention.

One of those "Just saying" kind of people. You know, because you can say anything you want if you are "just saying" it. You're mom is a slut, your girlfriend is ugly, and your sister swallows a mean load. Whoa man, don't get mad, I'm just saying.

This thread has no true purpose anymore. It became troll fodder because the thread starter has yet to learn how bad the trolling is around here.

Stress can force a plant to self pollinate. Be it light stress, physical stress, or environmental stress... Dark period interruptions, excessive defoliation, or extreme heat can all cause the same issue. It does not follow then that heat, or light, will cause herms. It takes an improper presence of these things that causes the problem.

Defoliating does not cause hermaphrodism. Excessive defoliation, during flowering, could cause a stress reaction that could activate dormant selfing genetics.

As with all things there is a middle road. Never remove more than 1/2 of the plant's leaf mass. I prefer defoliating every 4 days during veg to "harden" the plant. I stop defoliation after the 10th day of flowering. I know some people defoliate prior to flushing too which they claim increases bud mass at the end.
why not take off all of the leaves so the plant can grow bigger leaves?

cutting off the energy the plant made somehow causes the plant to yield more?

Starving/flushing your plant for a week without nutrients causes the plant to yield more?

idk about you but that sounds ass backwards to me.
 

Snow Crash

Well-Known Member
why not take off all of the leaves so the plant can grow bigger leaves?

cutting off the energy the plant made somehow causes the plant to yield more?

Starving/flushing your plant for a week without nutrients causes the plant to yield more?

idk about you but that sounds ass backwards to me.
1. What?
2. Removing fan leaves helps lower branches develop and results in a greater number of mature budsites and less popcorn.
3. Flushing a plant helps remove excess elements so you don't smoke it.

4. That's because you don't get it. It's about light to branches and hormonal responses offsetting canopy surface area loss.

The first few times a plant is defoliated it takes less time for it to recover each time. Eventually there are so many healthy under branches, each adding 2 leaves per day, that the canopy becomes exceptionally dense and defoliating becomes a necessity.

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findme

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1. What?
2. Removing fan leaves helps lower branches develop and results in a greater number of mature budsites and less popcorn.
3. Flushing a plant helps remove excess elements so you don't smoke it.

4. That's because you don't get it. It's about light to branches and hormonal responses offsetting canopy surface area loss.

The first few times a plant is defoliated it takes less time for it to recover each time. Eventually there are so many healthy under branches, each adding 2 leaves per day, that the canopy becomes exceptionally dense and defoliating becomes a necessity.

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1.You take off big leaves to give the smaller leaves a chance to get big so you can pull them off. Thats what you do right?
2.If plants get energy from their leaves, why take them off? More mature bud sites? you sure it isn't all in your mind? You do know that if you had an apple tree and removed a half of its leaves, it would grow some more leaves to compensate for the leaves pulled?
3. ok, so by flushing you remove excess elements that would have went to bud production. If you are worried about excess elements then give your buds a watercure.
4. Does this really increase yields? have you seen it happen?
5. you do know that 15% of the light that hits the leaves are absorbed right? know what happens to the other 85%? passes right through the leaves.
6.How long was that plant in veg?
 

Viagro

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Sleet
When I prune my pubes, my dick looks an inch bigger, I figure it's from all the extra light.
Try pruning your dick and leaving your pubes.
 

fleabit

Active Member
I said, "That's stupid" I suggest you lose your hard-on for me and move on.
You suggest...... That's pretty fucking stupid in its own right, Mr. Suggestion. You suggest hahahaha... you got to come out of your little teeny closet Jappy, your going kooky.I would suggest that's why you got banned from Mister Nice today. Harharharhar you dickhole. Slaggin people 24/7 and then crying like a little cunt when the game isn't "nice" for you any more. You pathetic sniveling little loser simp. Now run along now to your teensy Tokyo closet WANKER.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-sh...olling-me.html
 

fleabit

Active Member
Oh yeah Jappy you probably want to find a new weed forum for your intseey closet pictures and really crappy premature bud shots, because I dont think you will be here much longer. Try Cana Cabana Ohh forgot you got tossed from that one as well didn't you wanker. Better cry to big mama and let her use the big strap on you. That will make it all better. Loser.
 

doc111

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Oh yeah Jappy you probably want to find a new weed forum for your intseey closet pictures and really crappy premature bud shots, because I dont think you will be here much longer. Try Cana Cabana Ohh forgot you got tossed from that one as well didn't you wanker. Better cry to big mama and let her use the big strap on you. That will make it all better. Loser.
It looks like Japanfreak got banned from here too.:shock:............:clap:




[video=youtube;rHJoj9IqeKg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg[/video]


Trolls never really go away. They just register under a different user name and start all over again. :sad:
 

Serapis

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It looks like Japanfreak got banned from here too.:shock:............:clap:

Trolls never really go away. They just register under a different user name and start all over again. :sad:
Which is what I expect he'll do as well. Here is what a senior member said about him on that other forum....

"The truth is you're an asshole who has done their level best to cause trouble and start arguments from the moment your sorry carcass washed up here. Starting this thread is just a clear example of how pompous and self-important you are. Clearly you're beyond any hope of redemption and are a terminal case of pompous, obnoxious, over-opinionated garbage and should be shown the door. You've done more than anyone else to spoil things round here in the last month and everyone is sick to death of you, well done. If your goal was to become the most derided and ridiciculed pompous oaf around then you achieved it with ease, way to go, I hope you're proud of yourself. " http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/85023-post5.html


Then Japanfreak went on to assail them all with taunts, insults, names, etc... He now shows as banned over there.
 
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