Dabbing. In question ?? Good or bad?

~Dankster~420

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Hello (RIU). Dank here. I was reading a few emails this morning, and I ran across this one, and I would like to share incase you've yet to read it. I think its something that is very important, and should be really thought about. One being because its talking about how the negative feedback that (dabbing) is getting.

The reason I posted this is because I would LOVE to hear everyones feedback as to how you guys/gals feel about it yourself :??:

Here's the information:
One of the marijuana legalization movement's most widely accepted slogans has always been thus: “Marijuana is inherently safe” to the user.

Supporters of legalization have often cited public health statistics to bolster this claim. After all, alcohol, legal since the repeal of prohibition in 1933, is reported to cause approximately 80,000 deaths each year in the United States according to the Center for Disease Control.

This, per the CDC, makes alcohol the third-leading cause of lifestyle-related death in the United States. The CDC reports that in 2006, there were more than 1.2 million emergency room visits and 2.7 million physician office visits due to excessive drinking, and that booze-related illness caused $223.5 billion of damage to the United States economy.

The CDC also credits alcohol with a vast array of unintentional injuries, including traffic injuries, falls, drownings, burns, unintentional firearm injuries, and increases in injury-causing behaviors, such as domestic violence.

In contrast, in December 2012, the Huffington Post reported on the results of a new study by UC San Diego, which found that a “teen who consumes alcohol is likely to have reduced brain tissue health, but a teen who uses marijuana is not.”

Even that bastion of conservative journalism, Fox News, reporting in 2006 on a study by UCLA on the negative effects of marijuana use, stated that a “clear increase in cancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.”

But, the tables may be turning on the powerful arguments in favor of pot’s negligible adverse health effects.

Within the past two years, there have been repeated reports in the media of incidents in which 911 responders have been called due to cannabis overdoses.

The alleged cause? Dabbing, a practice by which potently extracted cannabis concentrate—hash oil or butane honey oil — is ”dabbed” onto a super-heated surface. The vapor that is created by dabbing is inhaled by the smoker.

Some claim that Dabbing is the vanguard of recreational pot use – allowing ingestion of smaller quantities of smoke, yielding a powerful “high,” with fewer negative, collateral health problems. Others, however, maintain that only a few hits lead to an “uncomfortable” high, and worse – the loss of consciousness, injury and even death.

For example, the Humbolt Sentential reported in March that, at the NORML conference in LA, there were three separate emergency calls due to ingestion of high-potency cannabis extract. It was also reported that one individual lost consciousness, fell and fractured his nose on the sidewalk.

Also that month, an SF Weekly headline proclaimed “Thanks to ‘Dabbing,’ It Is Possible to Overdose on Marijuana.”

So, while its health effects may be questionable, what about the legality of dabbing? Examining the laws of Colorado and Washington state, two jurisdictions that have recently legalized recreational use, we find:

Under the Colorado law, “marijuana” is defined as “all parts of the plant of the genus cannabis whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, the resin extracted from any part of the plant, and every… derivative, mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds, or its resin, including marihuana concentrate.”

In Washington, the voter-approved “Initiative 502” legalized possession of “72 ounces of marijuana infused product in liquid form,” however, the state has until December to develop further specific rules governing use, sale, and possession.

Obviously, other state laws dealing with legal, medical use of marijuana would need to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis.

One final thought: while this attorney prefers to leave didactic diatribes for the persuasion of judges seated in courtrooms, the practice of dabbing begs the question: is it really worth it?

We are living in a historic moment in time. A moment in time when the federal government has proclaimed it will cease prosecuting many low-level, non-violent drug offenders. Two states have legalized recreational marijuana use, and the feds have vowed not to interfere (see our previous article on this development).

Dabbing may be novel. It may offer a familiar rush more seasoned users crave. But it seems counterproductive, to say the least, to nullify the best argument the legalization camp has had at its disposal for years: unlike the “legal high” booze brings, pot doesn’t harm the user.

Here is the link as to where I had found this info. http://bigbudsmag.com/lifestyle/article/dabbing-may-cost-marijuana-its-mellow-reputation-september-2013
 

roseypeach

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Pot, just like anything else, can be concentrated. So just like anything else, the stronger the medication the stronger the effects felt. I believe that I would rather do "dabs" in a vaporizer with my current
health issues than traditional methods. I'm actually going to try my hand at it next month when I harvest my Sour Diesel and bagseed :)

That said, I doubt the majority of users will have any real problem with it. A broken nose sounds a lot less problematic than say, a broken neck :)
It all goes back to moderation. Users should be responsible enough to not push their limits without knowing the risks. Great info, I'm citing the article on my thread, if that's ok?
 

qwizoking

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"Now, let’s make some assumptions with this Merck Index LD50 of 42mg/kg. So, let’s assume we have a 75kg person (165 lbs) and that this LD50also applies to humans, that gives us 3150 mg or 3.15 g. But, even hash oil isn’t pure THC, neither is hash, nor is weed itself. Assuming that you have the best hash oil in the world and it is 90% pure, you would need to smoke 3.5 grams in order to have a 50% chance of dying. Assuming you have some awesome hash and it is 70% pure, you would need to smoke 4.5 grams in order to have a 50%chance of dying. And lastly, assuming you have some top shelf weed from adispensary and it has a 20%purity,you would need to smoke 15.75 grams in order to give yourself a 50% chance of dying"

If you can manage to smoke 4.5 grams of the best hash oil you can find (70% thc or so) at one time and not have a tolerance which would up the ld50, I applaud you......realistically serum levels will become saturated, receptors will down regulate and effects will be mediated...... hash oil is the only way for many too get the required levels of cannabinoids to have the proper effect. Its physically impossible to smoke enough cannabinoids to have the medical benefits many are hoping to obtain...this guy is obviously an idiot who probly stood up to fast lol or it wasnt all hash oil..Thc is noted to cause orthostatic hypotension..
 

Guzias1

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i love vaporizing my oilss !!

when i smoke, flowers, it alwaysssss gets me coughing hard core..

i can take a dab, like 24/7 :]

love me doobies on the road though..
:blsmoke::blsmoke:
 

Fadedawg

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Vaporizing oil is inherently safer than combusting plant material. I got COPD smoking cannabis and treat the condition by vaporizing,

People can print anything, but have they actually recorded a death? I have ODed a number of times testing new medications, and while it is an unpleasant experience, I was no where near death.

Our endocannabinoid system doesn't control the respiratory or heart function,

What most often happens, is high THC causes panic attacks in some folks, and they may be concerned that they are going to die and head to emergency.

Therein lies the rub. Some people have such low tolerance, that a fraction of a standard dose discombobulates them.
 

~Dankster~420

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A lot of great points! What my concern would be/is, that one day, there will be strains that is well up into 35% or so, thus extracting/making BHO is going to increase the % of the THC, correct :??:
If someone does have a low tolerance, and does push the limits of how much to intake, I wouldn't want to see anyone become ill or infact die...
Wouldn't blow over to well with the legalization in states its yet to become medical was my concern..
Although, I have never heard of "anyone" dying from somking ganja, I'm sure anything could happen..
 

SaybianTv

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I havn't had a drink in 7 years, i had some homemade fermented juice that had must of been .5% alcohol, and was completely wasted for 3 hours as if it was the old two fisting double rum and coke days. If it happened at a friends place and I drove home I would have crashed. That's my body's overeaction to alcohol now where I use to be a heavy drinker, the rules can't change for a hit off a spliff or more-so a dab off the slab. I remember when taking 2 puff's off my dad's roach had me set for a friday night of binge pizza, now I can't get dabbed out. We humans are a real roulette when it comes to putting the same thing in different bodies, I don't think any community can control that kinda randomness. You can still trip and see a face in your cup then smash your head on a wall running away from it, I don't think we can put too much power into the hands of oil itself when it's ourselves that are the variable that ruin good things. Pot can't make us anything, but it can make part's of us more available to choose more readily.
 

~Dankster~420

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Yeah, what I was trying to get at though is 1 day, if strains keep getting stronger, which they will over time. The BHO,oil,hash is going to get stronger along with it. Right :??: well, let's say someone that has never toked b4, much less took a good ol hit off dab, and it over powers there heart. I'm not against dabbing, or anything at all. But it is something to think about though. Damn that could really fuck shit up for the sates, and even states its legal in now.. that was all I was trying to get at.. ;)
I havn't had a drink in 7 years, i had some homemade fermented juice that had must of been .5% alcohol, and was completely wasted for 3 hours as if it was the old two fisting double rum and coke days. If it happened at a friends place and I drove home I would have crashed. That's my body's overeaction to alcohol now where I use to be a heavy drinker, the rules can't change for a hit off a spliff or more-so a dab off the slab. I remember when taking 2 puff's off my dad's roach had me set for a friday night of binge pizza, now I can't get dabbed out. We humans are a real roulette when it comes to putting the same thing in different bodies, I don't think any community can control that kinda randomness. You can still trip and see a face in your cup then smash your head on a wall running away from it, I don't think we can put too much power into the hands of oil itself when it's ourselves that are the variable that ruin good things. Pot can't make us anything, but it can make part's of us more available to choose more readily.
 

roseypeach

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Yeah, what I was trying to get at though is 1 day, if strains keep getting stronger, which they will over time. The BHO,oil,hash is going to get stronger along with it. Right :??: well, let's say someone that has never toked b4, much less took a good ol hit off dab, and it over powers there heart. I'm not against dabbing, or anything at all. But it is something to think about though. Damn that could really fuck shit up for the sates, and even states its legal in now.. that was all I was trying to get at.. ;)
I would think so...you start increasing thc content enough then concentrating it...could see it possibly becoming problematic.With all pharmaceuticals, there are obvious risks that users should be made aware of. THAT SAID, a new user hitting a super high concentrate dab could risk severe implications on their health.
 

~Dankster~420

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Exactly! And that wouldn't ya say fuck it up for the rest of us :??: meaning, put a bad taste into everyones mouths that's already are against it, and are also against it becoming legal in non legal states :??:
 

roseypeach

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Well it goes back to regulation doesn't it? All it will probably take is one casualty to put a 'bad taste' in the mouths of the public who did not support legalization to begin with. Once that happens, then yes, it could shut it down and put us right back to square one :(
 

SaybianTv

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Better strains will just give better yields imo i don't see how a dab can go over 100% thc it would taste like garbage because there's nothing else there but thc. It's called marinol and nobody wants it, concentrates is all about excluding the non essential and push the essentials and we can go too far any day and make marinol that will probably give a newbie PTSD. These days were learning the body's response to thc is unspeakably linked to it's cohort's that came from the plant, failure to get those cohort's which would naturally lower the thc content is what makes extracts suck. Mind you some of those cohort's can shoot the effect of thc through the roof and it's what makes some strains sooo medicinal.
 

roseypeach

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Better strains will just give better yields imo i don't see how a dab can go over 100% thc it would taste like garbage because there's nothing else there but thc. It's called marinol and nobody wants it, concentrates is all about excluding the non essential and push the essentials and we can go too far any day and make marinol that will probably give a newbie PTSD. These days were learning the body's response to thc is unspeakably linked to it's cohort's that came from the plant, failure to get those cohort's which would naturally lower the thc content is what makes extracts suck. Mind you some of those cohort's can shoot the effect of thc through the roof and it's what makes some strains sooo medicinal.
100%? naw man...naw lol
Concentrates are made different for different purposes. The ones that do not use combustion obviously will not give the "high" from the THC. The cannabinoids which hold medicinal properties--and there are too many to list right now--can fight cancer, respiratory illnesses, etc. are made this way. Concentrates which are decarboxylated, for making butter, will.
 

~Dankster~420

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What I'm saying is that each year that passes all these strains keep getting stronger. Hell, I have one myself that my Dad had came up with while he was living that has been tested at 30 some odd % THC. Its a 100% pure Sativa. Each year you see those %'s go up and up on how strong each certain strain is. My oint was 1 day (future speaking) I would say the percentage of THC for certain strains would be sky high... thus making BHO and all the others stronger aswell.. That's all I was trying to say.. ;)

Shit, don't get me wrong. I love oils,hash,bho, you name it! I've been toking for years, and I can say its helped me a lot! Let's just say it has helped me to STOP hardcore drugs. Almost 6 years clean now thanks to the ganja.. :mrgreen:
Better strains will just give better yields imo i don't see how a dab can go over 100% thc it would taste like garbage because there's nothing else there but thc. It's called marinol and nobody wants it, concentrates is all about excluding the non essential and push the essentials and we can go too far any day and make marinol that will probably give a newbie PTSD. These days were learning the body's response to thc is unspeakably linked to it's cohort's that came from the plant, failure to get those cohort's which would naturally lower the thc content is what makes extracts suck. Mind you some of those cohort's can shoot the effect of thc through the roof and it's what makes some strains sooo medicinal.
 
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