Defoliation did I do alright? More or less defoliation?

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southbayLA154

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Good job.... this looks great! Up potting would benefit you if you can veg a bit longer. It'll be a monster. Man!.. I wish I could grow just a couple of plants.

P.S... mind your light.. looks like you might be getting just a titch of light bleaching.
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Thanks !
Itake actually just recovering from intense light it was causing yellowing leaf tips and leafs we’re praying excessively..

Light was too close or dimmed way to high vise versa, but thanks I’ll double check the height it must’ve grown bit more since when I’ve corrected it
 
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southbayLA154

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Is this fine for trimming the leaves in half for clones , or remove the bigger fan leaf ..
Then just dip in rooting gel an insert into rapid rooter .. don’t forget humidity dome for a few days and heat Mat. Thts pretty much it for cloning right? image.jpg
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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southbayLA154 said:
Is this fine for trimming the leaves in half for clones , or remove the bigger fan leaf ..
Then just dip in rooting gel an insert into rapid rooter .. don’t forget humidity dome for a few days and heat Mat. Thts pretty much it for cloning right? View attachment 5066598
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Yeah... but don't leave that clone exposed before you put it in Rapid Rooters, Rockwool, or whatever you use. Wait until you're ready to stick it in whatever, then dip it in Clonex, or not.... but always make your 45 degree cut, and immediately put it in your medium. Avoid air exposure as much as possible after the cut.
 
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....... also, it's helpful if you can make a cut (45 degrees) below a node if you can. I make cuts long, and put them in water as soon as I cut them. I trim up, and then when Im ready, I'll cut my 45 below a node, and immediately dunk it in Clonex, and then into Rapid Rooters, or Root Riot. Good luck man!
 
dirtydoper1991

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cindysid said:
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've done it several times and they never skipped a beat. I just tied them to their new pot. It would be hard for me to keep her watered in that small pot. She's going to be a big girl!
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I have too but its a risky gamble. Its an artform to say the least. But can surely be done.
 
dirtydoper1991

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I've also split the central stalk wishbone style a couple times when they balled up. Then again I've also bent plants from 6ft to 3ft without a hermie or break. Maybe genetics.
 
Frank Nitty

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Yeah... but don't leave that clone exposed before you put it in Rapid Rooters, Rockwool, or whatever you use. Wait until you're ready to stick it in whatever, then dip it in Clonex, or not.... but always make your 45 degree cut, and immediately put it in your medium. Avoid air exposure as much as possible after the cut.
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Didn't know that about clones. Glad I caught this information!
 
calvin.m16

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Looks fine to me, the goal is to pluck fan leaves that are shading bud sites. Personally I practice "Shwazzing" where I defoliate all but the very top 2 fan leaves day 1 (flip) of bloom and day 20 of bloom I go back through and strip all the large fan leaves including the ones at the top. This allows maximum light penetration into the mid/lower bud sites and will provide you with a better yield with most genetics.

Be warned this is considered "high stress training" and can cause some genetics to either stunt growth or worse, like turn hermaphrodite..

The key is defoliating at the right times in the plants hormonal cycle. Day 1 of bloom, Day 20 of bloom. leave them alone any other times so they can do their thing. Not giving them a couple weeks to recover between stripdowns or lollipopping etc can cause plants to hermaphrodite or just stunt and if you stunt a plant any time in bloom you can expect a loss in yield, potency and quality.

Some benefits of this type of defoliation though are
Less pest pressure (less leaves for bugs to hangout on and much easier time treating all effected areas)
Less humidity (Typically removing the large fan leaves in flower will result in far less water being expelled into the air, especially at lights off)
More Airflow (Less chance of mold/mildew and more co2 uptake)
Larger Buds (More light on the lower and mid canopy will result in larger more ripe nugs)

I've only had a few genetics that did not like heavy defoliation and personally I throw those out and find new genetics that like it.
 
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southbayLA154

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calvin.m16 said:
Looks fine to me, the goal is to pluck fan leaves that are shading bud sites. Personally I practice "Shwazzing" where I defoliate all but the very top 2 fan leaves day 1 (flip) of bloom and day 20 of bloom I go back through and strip all the large fan leaves including the ones at the top. This allows maximum light penetration into the mid/lower bud sites and will provide you with a better yield with most genetics.

Be warned this is considered "high stress training" and can cause some genetics to either stunt growth or worse, like turn hermaphrodite..

The key is defoliating at the right times in the plants hormonal cycle. Day 1 of bloom, Day 20 of bloom. leave them alone any other times so they can do their thing. Not giving them a couple weeks to recover between stripdowns or lollipopping etc can cause plants to hermaphrodite or just stunt and if you stunt a plant any time in bloom you can expect a loss in yield, potency and quality.

Some benefits of this type of defoliation though are
Less pest pressure (less leaves for bugs to hangout on and much easier time treating all effected areas)
Less humidity (Typically removing the large fan leaves in flower will result in far less water being expelled into the air, especially at lights off)
More Airflow (Less chance of mold/mildew and more co2 uptake)
Larger Buds (More light on the lower and mid canopy will result in larger more ripe nugs)

I've only had a few genetics that did not like heavy defoliation and personally I throw those out and find new genetics that like it.
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I’ll look more into tht method of defoliation I was looking for something just like tht, this strain was pretty bushy lots of leaves just sitting on each other although with a better LST job it could be more manageable
 
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southbayLA154

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Frank Nitty said:
Why don't you put it in the pot that's holding the pot you are growing in?
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Yeah slept on it and if come to the decision to do just that , im thinking it’ll fill out tht pot pretty soon .. how long should I veg longer for before switching to flower ? Or just let it recover from any shock and flip?
 
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southbayLA154

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I just saw your tent size... might be hard to scrog that if you go much longer. Excellent job tho!.. rock on!
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Yeah it’s definitely to late I’d like to just finish the plan, I’ll be moving the setup to a new area on my property .. I’m thinking of going with a more of a mainline
DoubleAtotheRON said:
I just saw your tent size... might be hard to scrog that if you go much longer. Excellent job tho!.. rock on!
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Yeah I’m thinking of doing tht next grow and use the mainline method so it can possibly make it easier to fill out the tent since it’s more of a rectangle shape ..
 
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southbayLA154

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
....... also, it's helpful if you can make a cut (45 degrees) below a node if you can. I make cuts long, and put them in water as soon as I cut them. I trim up, and then when Im ready, I'll cut my 45 below a node, and immediately dunk it in Clonex, and then into Rapid Rooters, or Root Riot. Good luck man!
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yeah I cut a few below the node some slightly threw the node and others scraped , I’ll get to see how they turn out and see what I like but
thanks for the input
 
Frank Nitty

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southbayLA154 said:
Yeah slept on it and if come to the decision to do just that , im thinking it’ll fill out tht pot pretty soon .. how long should I veg longer for before switching to flower ? Or just let it recover from any shock and flip?
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I'm not really the one who you should ask as I've never done anything like that before and I mainly grow auto but there are a lot of people here who are interested in this thread and I'm sure they can answer this question way better than me.
 
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southbayLA154

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I'd transplant into that bigger pot, wait a couple of weeks, then flip. More veg time= more buds.
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its in a 7 gallon pot so I can either

drill some drain holes into the red tub and transplant into tht which is about 2-3 more gallons of soil or I can just transplant into a 10 gallon fabric pot tht I have

would 2-3 weeks of veg be enough? then flip to flower
 
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