Defoliation the first few leafs

Kush Inc.

Kush Inc.

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What Wastei said is not an opinion. It is FACT.

Defoliating your plants is the process of removing leaves to allow more light and airflow to reach your buds. It is done to a healthy and established plant right before flipping to 12/12 and/or 3 weeks in flower. Not to a fricking seedling.

You just screwed with plants in a phase of their life where they should be growing, not dealing with dimwits randomly chopping off their leaves for no reason whatsoever.

What you did is not defoliating. It's just mucking about. And it has no place in the advanced section.
 
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harrythehat

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This was them after defoliating
This is them 3 days later all grown back and nearly ready for a bit more.
Wether you like it or not I will continue this defoliation thread.
Watch you may learn something.

Growing on my system is totally different from what you are using and you can argue about that as well if you wish.
Kush Inc. said:
What Wastei said is not an opinion. It is FACT.

Defoliating your plants is the process of removing leaves to allow more light and airflow to reach your buds. It is done to a healthy and established plant right before flipping to 12/12 and/or 3 weeks in flower. Not to a fricking seedling.

You just screwed with plants in a phase of their life where they should be growing, not dealing with dimwits randomly chopping off their leaves for no reason whatsoever.

What you did is not defoliating. It's just mucking about. And it has no place in the advanced section.
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That is exactly what am doing removing leafs to allow bud sites through there was a nest of leaves in each plant defoliated if you look you will C.

Defoliation is needed and not a want.
These plants can take and love what I do to themIMG_20210417_065305_1.jpg



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go go kid

go go kid

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i have aspergers spectrum and know what you are dealing with, i found it better to start with one or two plants and to write down things down as you go, that way when/after an attack, you still know what you have doe, why you have done it and whats to do next

paper and pen are your tools to perfection
 
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harrythehat

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go go kid said:
i have aspergers spectrum and know what you are dealing with, i found it better to start with one or two plants and to write down things down as you go, that way when/after an attack, you still know what you have doe, why you have done it and whats to do next

paper and pen are your tools to perfection
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harrythehat

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What caused my attack was not being able to suss where the problem was. And totally confused the brain for a while as it was a combination of issues.
Temperature differences changing over from winter to summer. Leaving water heaters in rather than changing to air heat.
This broiled the roots taking the little laddery bits of making them nute sensitive and they were running 2.0 EC. This held them tight still seen in the back plant on the left.
Dropped the E.C. to 1.6/1.8 now there fine and all got over it now with exception to the back plant on left though she is coming through now.
Your right about pen and paper yes I do sometimes.
 
go go kid

go go kid

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its especaly usefull with hydroponics, i can see why you chose it as a metod for growing, one tank being used for multiple plants less to confuse the brain. and avoid stressing yourself out.
i chose soil to continue growing in, i find its less stressfull, you dont have to keep checking things like ppm ec ph temps ect. just keep good records, that way you can avoid most [problems by writing down differant issues you may encounter.and looking back at issues and solutions, pardon the pun.
good luck with the grow and most importantly, enjoy
 
Tvanmunhen

Tvanmunhen

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harrythehat said:
This was them after defoliating
This is them 3 days later all grown back and nearly ready for a bit more.
Wether you like it or not I will continue this defoliation thread.
Watch you may learn something.

Growing on my system is totally different from what you are using and you can argue about that as well if you wish.

That is exactly what am doing removing leafs to allow bud sites through there was a nest of leaves in each plant defoliated if you look you will C.

Defoliation is needed and not a want.
These plants can take and love what I do to themView attachment 4882362

Thanks for the show! That's a pretty cool setup you got there! Much respect for all the hard work and info you are sharing here it is much appreciated.

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harrythehat

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go go kid said:
its especaly usefull with hydroponics, i can see why you chose it as a metod for growing, one tank being used for multiple plants less to confuse the brain. and avoid stressing yourself out.
i chose soil to continue growing in, i find its less stressfull, you dont have to keep checking things like ppm ec ph temps ect. just keep good records, that way you can avoid most [problems by writing down differant issues you may encounter.and looking back at issues and solutions, pardon the pun.
good luck with the grow and most importantly, enjoy
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When I built this kit it was devised to be fuss free.
My top up routine.
25 ml of A 25 ml of B in a bucket filled with 5 litres of water.
Chuck this in tank check EC an hour later job done.
There's no need to check P.H. using self PHIng nutrient is near enough.
Check it next day leave till next fill up LOL dead easy nothing to confuse
Enjoy. Boy I love my plants.
 
go go kid

go go kid

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when you take your readings, ph ec ppm tds whatever you want to call it. take them at the same time every day, ph fluctuates during the day, so makingb sure you test every morning sat the same time if possable, this will save you many ph problems. dont ask me why when were controling the enviroment we grow in, its something to do with mother nature
 
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harrythehat

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go go kid said:
when you take your readings, ph ec ppm tds whatever you want to call it. take them at the same time every day, ph fluctuates during the day, so makingb sure you test every morning sat the same time if possable, this will save you many ph problems. dont ask me why when were controling the enviroment we grow in, its something to do with mother nature
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Hi I don't bother with P.H. don't have a problem with it a self PH InG nutrient brings it to around 7 and it's sweet as there.
threw PH meter away years ago.
All I use is a truncheon check it an hour after filling up check it next day. It's the only number I follow
Itt can go ridiculously high 28/30 and it still does not burn roots.
Why does it not burn the roots.
Because my equipment carries an Abiotic stress elicitor in the way it works.
Yes it's a static generator in a growing machine.
It's theory comes from the hanging gardens of Babylon.
Fabled to grow big plants LOL
It grew fuckin massive plants

Boy I will probably get slatted to fuck for stating this LOL
Do I give a flying fuck.
Hell no watch and C what happens
Then slate me off
 
go go kid

go go kid

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selp ph'ing nutes, they hav come a long way since i first read about them, gives me hope for my experiment this summer
never herd on Abiotic stress elicitor b 4, ya learn something new each day on this site, i love it
 
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harrythehat

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go go kid said:
selp ph'ing nutes, they hav come a long way since i first read about them, gives me hope for my experiment this summer
never herd on Abiotic stress elicitor b 4, ya learn something new each day on this site, i love it
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Living soil and LED lights have both been given Elicitor status
 
Wastei

Wastei

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There's no self pHing nutrients. You have cation exchange agents but that's a whole other thing.

That being said I only pH adjust once when I do res changes. But I'm not fooling myself saying my formula is "pH perfect". To not bother to monitor pH and adjust it to optimal is probably the worst practice you can have in hydro.

You leave out the most important tool and variable for developing and understanding and optimizing your nutrient requirements? I don't advice anyone doing that TBH, sure the plant will grow but without actual data and proper monitoring how do you know you're actually improving on your methods? Cheers!
 
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harrythehat

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Wastei said:
There's no self pHing nutrients. You have cation exchange agents but that's a whole other thing.

That being said I only pH adjust once when I do res changes. But I'm not fooling myself saying my formula is "pH perfect". To not bother to monitor pH and adjust it to optimal is probably the worst practice you can have in hydro.

You leave out the most important tool and variable for developing and understanding and optimizing your nutrient requirements? I don't advice anyone doing that TBH, sure the plant will grow but without actual data and proper monitoring how do you know you're actually improving on your methods? Cheers!
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The nutrient I am using Growers Arc state. Buffered with nitric acid for a more stable PH. Minimum adjustment required. Have found 7. Comparable for the plant.
Don't get me wrong 20 years ago I used to faff about getting 6.1 but TBH no adjustment didn't seem to make a difference.
So out went the P.H meter.
P.H is blamed way to much it may be more crucial in other systems but not mine.

LOL have only just started to use a truncheon again was just using makers recommend and a bit less for top ups. And watching the plants
Then needed numbers for records again finding
OMG numbers up way too high but didn't affect the plants. Strange innit LOL.
But that is the effect static has it protects the plants in more ways than one.
Bitchin thing is it cannot be measured. Well there is an actual static meter but I don't think it can measure in this environment as it's only the positive being produced.
How do I know static is produced?
From previous experiments where the static was used incorrectly. It quarterises the roots and makes the plants dance to there death.
Yep so I knows it's there.
 
Wastei

Wastei

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harrythehat said:
The nutrient I am using Growers Arc state. Buffered with nitric acid for a more stable PH. Minimum adjustment required. Have found 7. Comparable for the plant.
Don't get me wrong 20 years ago I used to faff about getting 6.1 but TBH no adjustment didn't seem to make a difference.
So out went the P.H meter.
P.H is blamed way to much it may be more crucial in other systems but not mine.

LOL have only just started to use a truncheon again was just using makers recommend and a bit less for top ups. And watching the plants
Then needed numbers for records again finding
OMG numbers up way too high but didn't affect the plants. Strange innit LOL.
But that is the effect static has it protects the plants in more ways than one.
Bitchin thing is it cannot be measured. Well there is an actual static meter but I don't think it can measure in this environment as it's only the positive being produced.
How do I know static is produced?
From previous experiments where the static was used incorrectly. It quarterises the roots and makes the plants dance to there death.
Yep so I knows it's there.
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Well you do you. But you can't expect other people to take you seriously without monitoring your work. Pictures are nice and all but without proper data it's just a penis measuring contest IMO.

I think you're a little to much self entitled as a person and your setup, growth rates and practices shows this throughout. You're pretty easily scuffed and don't like people questioning and debunking your methods.
 
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harrythehat

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Wastei said:
Well you do you. But you can't expect other people to take you seriously without monitoring your work. Pictures are nice and all but without proper data it's just a penis measuring contest IMO.

I think you're a little to much self entitled as a person and your setup, growth rates and practices shows this throughout. You're pretty easily scuffed and don't like people questioning and debunking your methods.
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That's fine if you think I'm a bigot that's your opinion
Unfortunately BP does make me a little volatile certainly don't mind questioning but debunking and slating off without knowledge I disapprove of and will receive the harsher edge of my tongue
 
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