Democrat or Republican?

As the poll states Dem. Rep. or Ind.

Dem. I would like to be an independent, but there really is not a good enough choice out there to be one.

I like things from most of the 3rd parties, but they just go off the deep end with most of them. Green party goes too far with not grasping the free market, libertarians go off too much in flat taxes and I really don't know enough about the others out there to take them too seriously.

And I stay out of the Republican party mostly due to social issues that they push like abortion, gay rights, and immigration.

I would cut off my foot before voting democrat. An undercover socialist is what most democrats are. I like the libertarians ideas but usually just vote republican as the lesser of two evils.

hanimmal said:

Dem. I would like to be an independent, but there really is not a good enough choice out there to be one.

I like things from most of the 3rd parties, but they just go off the deep end with most of them. Green party goes too far with not grasping the free market, libertarians go off too much in flat taxes and I really don't know enough about the others out there to take them too seriously.

And I stay out of the Republican party mostly due to social issues that they push like abortion, gay rights, and immigration.

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HUZZAH!!! I agree with most of your post except for the flat tax statement...a great deal of libertarians have embraced the "Fair Tax" and there are no valid arguments against it... valid being the key word. Great book that explains the system and answers all of the bogus arguments against it. Eliminate the IRS and the governments ability to tax us into oblivion in one shot.

http://www.amazon.com/FairTax-Answering-Critics-Neal-Boortz/dp/B0027CSNOO/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2

Also, I really can't find much fault in wanting illegal aliens out of the country, if we really need bodies to fill jobs that citizens don't want, I'm sure we can find plenty of folks who would love to come here legally. It's really not hard to accomplish their removal, just make it impossible for employers from hiring them. So many ways to do it, it's absurd to make the argument it would be difficult. They will leave on their own...can't make money here...gotta leave.

And I am an independent conservative.

HUZZAH!!! I agree with most of your post except for the flat tax statement...a great deal of libertarians have embraced the "Fair Tax" and there are no valid arguments against it... valid being the key word. Great book that explains the system and answers all of the bogus arguments against it. Eliminate the IRS and the governments ability to tax us into oblivion in one shot.

http://www.amazon.com/FairTax-Answering-Critics-Neal-Boortz/dp/B0027CSNOO/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2

Also, I really can't find much fault in wanting illegal aliens out of the country, if we really need bodies to fill jobs that citizens don't want, I'm sure we can find plenty of folks who would love to come here legally. It's really not hard to accomplish their removal, just make it impossible for employers from hiring them. So many ways to do it, it's absurd to make the argument it would be difficult. They will leave on their own...can't make money here...gotta leave.

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Your right I meant fair tax, not flat.

I went over the reasons that I disagree with the thought that it is not leveraged to the lower income folks in w/e thread that was we were discussing it. Not that it doesn't have its merits, just that it does really give you more benefits the higher you go up on the income scale.

Besides a vote for a 3rd party is essentially wasted.

I would like to add one thing to my above post.

The difference between republicans and dems fiscally is so close it hardly matters. But the social issues are pretty far apart.

Edit: and I am all for imposing on the employers for hiring illegal immigrants. The issue is not so much them living here, as much as it is if they are hurting the economy to stop that. If they can't work then they will not come. But to get so much hate built up from people that really are as close to the natives as you can get without being on a reservation is wrong in my opinion.

Doesn't mean that we should give them free healthcare, taxeless jobs, and the same rights as our citizens that pay into the system they use.

hanimmal said:

The difference between republicans and dems fiscally is so close it hardly matters. But the social issues are pretty far apart.

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Historically - fiscally the dems spend more, and Obama with the help of his Dem posse' has spent more in his first year, and any president since WWII.

Socially I don't see much difference. The Dems would like you to believe the republicans want to make Christianity the national religion, and criminalize abortion, but none of that happened when the republicans recently had control of all 3 branches of government.

Obama has done nothing different than Bush did. Where's the change?

Socially I don't see much difference. The Dems would like you to believe the republicans want to make Christianity the national religion, and criminalize abortion, but none of that happened when the republicans recently had control of all 3 branches of government.

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Mostly on the state level, anti-abortion laws, gay marriage, intelligent design, bible studies in school, ect. That is where most the differences shine. Once they get to the fed level nobody has much control.

I voted "None of the Above" for all humans trying to run this government last November. People need to realize we have the power, government reps are our puppets to make our wishes known. We need to take back the power of our bodies to heal ourselves and leave the insurance and govt. out of it. Doctors, too. So I'm not a dem, rep or ind. I'm me and I'm powerful in my own right.

hanimmal said:

Mostly on the state level, anti-abortion laws, gay marriage, intelligent design, bible studies in school, ect. That is where most the differences shine. Once they get to the fed level nobody has much control.

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That's pure fiction

Even Obama is against gay marriage

Liberals may throw a fit every time someone prays in a school - unless they're Muslim prayers lol - but no president has ever ran on such a leftist platform.

This is all theoretical, and both parties fear monger in order to divide and concur us. There's very little that has been blocked by either party. Even Clinton signed every republican bill that came across his desk. The budget was balanced by ending welfare, and that was because we had a republican congress...

But now the parties blur

i really love polls, they allow me to get a sense of how far out of the mainstream i am without having any real effect on my surroundings. i'm always a bit surprised when i find myself in the majority on any topic and happily so when it is something near and dear to my heart. that being said, i'm a tad disgruntled that i could find no place for me in your options (how is it that one can be disgruntled but not gruntled?). what of those of us who can muster only disdain for the political animals that are offered up each election cycle? what of we who are outside that narrow spectrum and refuse to opt for the least of the available evils?

the choices given might best have been entitled socialist, socialist lite and special interest oriented or perhaps future slave, we'll settle for what we can get and running for cover. not that it really matters, any ballot cast is a vote for servitude to the power of the state and the relinquishment of individual choice in favor of the illusions of security and comfort and a dictatorship of the proletariat. this is the sorry pass that the lie of the ballot box has led us to, an opaque and unresponsive ruling elite that pays lip service to our inalienable rights and foments discord among the people as a means of gaining power over them. nowhere on that list is there a voice advocating true individual liberty and an adherence to the spirit of the founders of this nation. the libertarians may come close, but their tendency to stray toward the right wing of the spectrum to obtain votes leaves them wanting.

the concept of a minarchist state has been lost amid the crush of bureaucracy's natural tendency toward expansion and the demands of the greedy mob. our march toward that ultimate state of unlimited personal freedom and responsibility has been sidetracked by a sense of material entitlement and the necessities of garnering support for agenda driven politics and enforced change.

oh well, maybe i'll have better luck on the next poll.

That's pure fiction

Even Obama is against gay marriage

Liberals may throw a fit every time someone prays in a school - unless they're Muslim prayers lol - but no president has ever ran on such a leftist platform.

This is all theoretical, and both parties fear monger in order to divide and concur us. There's very little that has been blocked by either party. Even Clinton signed every republican bill that came across his desk. The budget was balanced by ending welfare, and that was because we had a republican congress...

But now the parties blur

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Again mostly on the state level you will start to see the differences with the issues I put down. But when a third of the republican presidential hopefuls raise their hand to say they did not believe in evolution I get scared.

What we need is a third party!

Centrist libertarian... your poll sucks!

hanimmal said:

Again mostly on the state level you will start to see the differences with the issues I put down. But when a third of the republican presidential hopefuls raise their hand to say they did not believe in evolution I get scared.

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But why do you care so much what republicans believe? Aren't we entitled to believe what we like, without government dictating? this is what the founding fathers were trying to get away from

To force people to not practice their religion is as bad as forcing them to believe one.

Old School Republican.


.....except for the white wigs, I dont like those very much

I'm with Hannimal on this one. I vote democrat because I wholly disagree with the intolerant social positions of the republican platform. Here's why:

Immigration. I believe we should keep our borders open and welcome immigrants into this country for ONE reason. THE ORIGINAL FOUNDERS OF THIS COUNTRY WERE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! They came here, killed the native americans, and took over. It is the ultimate in hypocrisy to disallow anyone else to enter our country when we invaded in the first place.

Gay Marriage. Gay couples have EVERY right to marry in my opinion. This is a religious argument and has NO place in politics. If it MUST have a justification rooted in religion, then it's weak. I understand that one could make a biological argument, but it's weak as well and opens Pandora's Box. So keep your religion out of my policy. Gays should be allowed to marry and get the same benefits.

Poverty. I was lucky enough to be born in a family that could care for me (key word - LUCKY). My parents raised me well. I feel bad for kids whose parents are bums and lowlifes. It gives the kid an unfair advantage in life. Kids born into extreme poverty and low-opportunity have a rough road ahead of them. They can make something of themselves, but have hurdles that most of us never encounter in our lives. I feel for them and want to help them. I believe that our past actions towards native americans and african americans require us to act compassionately for once in our lives as a nation. Let's try to help the kids born into unfortunate situations so that they can make something of themselves.

For the three reasons mentioned above, I vote democrat. Republican policy leaves NO room for compassion and I live my life by the tenet that we should reciprocate what was given to us in life. That's why I vote democrat.

How about no parties, and we vote with common sense?

jrh72582 said:

I'm with Hannimal on this one. I vote democrat because I wholly disagree with the intolerant social positions of the republican platform. Here's why:

Immigration. I believe we should keep our borders open and welcome immigrants into this country for ONE reason. THE ORIGINAL FOUNDERS OF THIS COUNTRY WERE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! They came here, killed the native americans, and took over. It is the ultimate in hypocrisy to disallow anyone else to enter our country when we invaded in the first place.

Gay Marriage. Gay couples have EVERY right to marry in my opinion. This is a religious argument and has NO place in politics. If it MUST have a justification rooted in religion, then it's weak. I understand that one could make a biological argument, but it's weak as well and opens Pandora's Box. So keep your religion out of my policy. Gays should be allowed to marry and get the same benefits.

Poverty. I was lucky enough to be born in a family that could care for me (key word - LUCKY). My parents raised me well. I feel bad for kids whose parents are bums and lowlifes. It gives the kid an unfair advantage in life. Kids born into extreme poverty and low-opportunity have a rough road ahead of them. They can make something of themselves, but have hurdles that most of us never encounter in our lives. I feel for them and want to help them. I believe that our past actions towards native americans and african americans require us to act compassionately for once in our lives as a nation. Let's try to help the kids born into unfortunate situations so that they can make something of themselves.

For the three reasons mentioned above, I vote democrat. Republican policy leaves NO room for compassion and I live my life by the tenet that we should reciprocate what was given to us in life. That's why I vote democrat.

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Democrats create programs like welfare that do not encourage people to better themselves.

Are democrats being compassionate when they support abortion?

Operation 420 said:

Democrats create programs like welfare that do not encourage people to better themselves.

Are democrats being compassionate when they support abortion?

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No, they're giving individuals CHOICE and freedom over their bodies.

jrh72582 said:

No, they're giving individuals CHOICE and freedom over their bodies.

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No they're pushing their Eugenics agenda, because they have no regard for human life.

And welfare does nothing but encourage people to sit on their ass and wait for a check/food stamps in the mail.