I dont know what the hell you are talking about?
democrats in wisconsin kicking ass
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MuyLocoNC
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Well, so much for this fucking thread.
You LOST, so sorry, deal with it.
You gained two seats and could turn around and give them both right back.
What a colossal waste of time and money. Now the ELECTED officials can get back to the people's business and unwind all this Progressive bullshit.
No need to reply, you built this up as a referendum when you thought you were gonna get the majority, that didn't happen so it's actually a referendum that your assessment of the public's support for your position is crap. 2012 is gonna be a freaking massacre.
And as far as OVERREACH, you libs are the ones who need to learn from it. Your representatives are the ones who overreached, this is just the beginning of the backlash. 80 years of Progressive legislation about to be unwound.
You LOST, so sorry, deal with it.
You gained two seats and could turn around and give them both right back.
What a colossal waste of time and money. Now the ELECTED officials can get back to the people's business and unwind all this Progressive bullshit.
No need to reply, you built this up as a referendum when you thought you were gonna get the majority, that didn't happen so it's actually a referendum that your assessment of the public's support for your position is crap. 2012 is gonna be a freaking massacre.
And as far as OVERREACH, you libs are the ones who need to learn from it. Your representatives are the ones who overreached, this is just the beginning of the backlash. 80 years of Progressive legislation about to be unwound.
jeff f
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i was just listening to the news and heard about this. then saw the thread. haha
dilusional is a word that comes to mind. counting the days to 2012. then we can start to right this ship.
kindnugz
Active Member
Well Unclebuck, your guys lost. Who's the genius now? After pouring millions in, the unions and special interests couldn't overturn the general election. Democrats fled the state to avoid a vote, took over and trashed the statehouse, and now lost a recall.
Get the fuck over it, the days of retiring when your 50 with a $70k pension at the expense of the private sector working class are over. That is what I call overreach, learn from it, bitches.
Get the fuck over it, the days of retiring when your 50 with a $70k pension at the expense of the private sector working class are over. That is what I call overreach, learn from it, bitches.
hazyintentions
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they have already flipped two seats, they need one more to block walker's agenda.
the final race pits a democrat against walker's right hand woman, and the democrat is ahead 52-48 with 2/3 of the vote in.
these are all districts that voted for walker and republican senators and have now FLIPPED thanks to walker's agenda.
the people are speaking...and they are emphatically saying NO to walker and his agenda.
News flash, Dems didn't "overthrow". They lost, your an ass.
VTXDave
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And what did they say?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
they got rid of 2 republicans in traditionally republican districts and nearly got walker's right hand woman.
hell, since one republican voted against the union-busting bill, two more dems would have stopped it.
in any case, after seeing what the republicans they elected did, they changed their minds in a couple of the cases and nearly a third.
they say that 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
UncleBuck
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*you'reNews flash, Dems didn't "overthrow". They lost, your an ass.
and they didn't lose completely, they just didn't win all they needed.
as i pointed out before, 2 more democrats would have stopped the union busting bill. they have a republican that votes with them on that issue.
ass.
sync0s
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I was listening to local news radio (for wisconi and minn) and there were wis citizens that were calling in pissed off about all of the out of state attention coming in and interrupting their state government with this bullshit. I believe one callers words were "Stay out of our state, we know what we are doing here and don't need your help"
MuyLocoNC
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I'm guessing those days are over, unless he DEFINITELY wants to lose his job as well. This was a MASSIVE victory for conservatives, no one will convincingly disprove that fact. Hung by their own words and confidence they would succeed. The point isn't whether you LIBS see it as a victory for Conservatives... it's important that Conservatives see it as a victory...we do and all your bullshit ain't changin that. Go piss up some other tree. The dismantling of Progressive poison is free to continue.....ALL ABOARD, next stop... reality.
UncleBuck
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they got less votes than they did the previous election after the voters saw their agenda.
getting less votes after people see how you govern is not considered a massive victory by anyone who sports an intelligence quotient that is higher than two standard deviations below the average, that is called losing votes or leaking oil.
that you call this a massive victory tells me that you are a partisan hack.
Carne Seca
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Wait until the Walker recall. You're going to see a state deal with a rogue Governor. 
UncleBuck
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do you even know any teachers?
i have several in my family as well as my neighbors. i can promise you, they do a little more than "jack shit".
i worked a government job for a couple years in college and applied myself and was the top earner when i left.
i wasn't commenting on legacy cost percentages, i was talking about your assertion that half of public workers could be fired and not missed. i make the radical assumption that teachers would be fairly represented in your equation, being public sector employees and all, and did simple math to determine our new classroom sizes.
(sarcasm) researchers at pepperdine have definitively proven that children learn better in crowded classrooms than reasonable ones. (/sarcasm)
studies have consistently shown, however, that public sector employees are better educated, more qualified, and more experienced than their public sector colleagues. that might explain why they earn a nominal amount more.
it appears to me that your rage coincides with a high school dropout or junior college burnout who damns the unfair nature of those who apply themselves earning more than those who do not.
did you make it through high school with an ashtray (junior college), or even high school for that matter?
sync0s
Well-Known Member
I think you meant private sector colleagues, yes?
In the private sector there certainly are shitty teachers from shitty schools. The beauty of the free market in the private sector education is that you, as a parent, get to choose who teaches your children. Public education doesn't provide this ability. Furthermore, intelligence and college degrees don't even come close to determining the quality of a teacher. The best teachers in my past are the ones who can be creative, think outside the box, and learn to stimulate the minds of children by incorporating the educational topic to something that is relevant and interesting to them. I believe your universities education of teachers is failing in this department, but the curriculum requirements of the public education system, as well as its regulations, is the absolute primary factor for why private school and home school children excel more than public school.
I think that'll be my rant for the day..
UncleBuck
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yes, i meant public-private in that sentence, not public-public.
i do take issue with your assertion that parents have the ability to shop around in private schools, but not public.
can parents not take their kids out of public schools and put them in private ones just the same? boom, roasted.
public school is an option, as is private, as is homeschooling, so that point is false. i will however stick the needle in and ask for an example of a strong nation that does not have the option of public education.
the rest of what you said i agree with.
sync0s
Well-Known Member
Touche, but I did intend it in a different concept. I was looking at it kind of with a microscope as a purely public system vs what a purely private system consists of. The point I was trying to make was that in private schools you can't stop some of them from have dumb ass brain dead religious loons from educating the kids of the parents who are willing to put them in there. They are statistical outliers and will drag down the actual numbers of the teachers of the private system as a whole.
Now, onto your question:
While it's not 100% without public schools and they are funded in part by local municipalities it is the closest example I can find for you. However, let's look at how it performs (as of '06): Sweden ranked #8 in the world in reading while the US was 33rd, Sweden ranked #15 while US was #27 in math, and Sweden ranked #16 while US was #22 in Science. In addition (I can't find a specific year on this data but it does say in the early 2000s), the national IQ average of Sweden was tied for #8 in the world at 98, while the United states was tied for #9 with 97.Swedish education is known for being a world leader in the free-market education revolution.[22]
Prior to the 1990s, there were only a handful of independent schools, mostly tuition-funded boarding schools. In 1992 the government introduced a system of school vouchers where schools without the municipality as principal, could receive government funding for each student. The schools cannot charge the students extra fees, nor they can discriminate or require admission examinations. These "free schools" (similar to charter schools in the United States or academies in the United Kingdom) most often have an alternate pedagogy (for example Montessori), foreign/international, religious (for example Catholic or Muslim) or special needs (for example hearing-impaired) profile. There are also several secondary schools with an elite sports profile, called idrottsgymnasium. There are about 900 free schools in Sweden.[23] Two large chains of free schools are Internationella Engelska Skolan and Kunskapsskolan (“Knowledge Schools”
Anyone can start an independent for-profit school in Sweden. Free schools are funded with public money from the local kommun (municipality). Independent schools and public schools alike receive money from the kommun for every pupil they have enrolled. Economic differences throughout Sweden directly affect how much money each kommun can provide per pupil, by as much as 50000 SEK (7150USD, 4375GPB).[24] As of 2008, more than 10% of Swedish pupils were enrolled in independent schools.[22]
Sweden is making a political right turn, in a very Swedish way: cautiously, consensually, unflamboyantly. But decisively even so.
One of contenders for the most highly taxed country in the Western world has cut taxes significantly since 2006. Tight fiscal policy has pushed the public sector's share of GDP back down toward 50%. The economy is growing, the budget is balanced, unemployment is declining.
The governing center-right coalition was re-elected last year; the once dominant Social Democrats suffered their worst defeat since before World War I.
MuyLocoNC
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Considering the resources the Unions brought to bear and the unending barrage of negative media they paid for, I would absolutely say holding on to the majority, when all the liberal partisan hacks (specifically you) were so sure the voters would reject the Repub's agenda, is absolutely a Massive Victory.
But not nearly as massive as it's going to be in 2012.
All Aboard!