Dezracer's Perpetual Grow

Thats a nice looking system Dez and healthy looking plants too, well done mate

Disaster has struck at my little grow, one of my pots fell over(long story) and snapped the church clean in two, uuurgh, it seems to be ok though ,surprisingly enough, i repotted the top part and now they both look strong again, still its a lesson learned with not too much trouble lol!

Hows the HS looking fella?

Sorry to hear about you church plant, sucks.
The HS looks pretty good, I've got the area set up better than it's been the past couple harvests. It's ventilating better and staying a little cooler so the flowers are drying slower. It doesn't look as pretty as the GC did but it's more frosty looking so we'll just have to wait and see what the outcome is.
I am bummed a bit that I wasn't able to get every leaf that was yellowing or dying out when trimming. My buddy didn't notice them but I do, probably because I know where they are though.
I'll weigh it when I jar it and post the final yield. I'll do a taste test this weekend too.

It weighed out at 2 1/4oz so it's all good and stinky in my hood
I let a friend go to my house today while I was at work and pick up a SG plant for his op and he called me
right when he walked in the door to tell me how my whole house stinks of skuny bud, lol.
I replied with, "good". I guess this afternoon I'll have to move my bud to the garage and deodorize the house. My buds are curing in a cupboard in the house and I guess the smell is finding it's way out of the jars. Good stuff...

Nice one Dez, sounds awesome.Dont you just love that aroma, i get told off by the wife if i get too bad on that score,lol

i checked the buds on the ww and the trichs are cloudy so i snuck off a sneaky bud yesterday to try soon, im going to give it a while longer though,
im after some proper couchlock on this one,lol

Well done mate.

Thanks.

I've figured out that I simply don't have enough space available to keep mother plants. The ones I have currently are still kind of young and they're already too tall for the area. They are touching the bulbs and the fixture is touching the ceiling of the area. They are so tall that if I put them in the flower room, they would get way too tall so I think I will flower them for only a week to get the branches to fatten up as much as possible and then cut every branch off of each one and see how many I can get to root. Hopefully I'll get a decent amount of youngins so I can grow a shitload of little plants.

I'll keep one of each strain in the veg room until it has enough branches to do another round of babies and just repeat the process I think. If I do this and alternate the strains, I think I should be able to have one harvest of each strain every month or so. HMMM...Think it'll work?

I've got a buddy coming over later that has recently redone his grow op and now has a lot space. He's going to pick up plants from me to put in his grow, 1 SG that's just starting flowering, a couple more SG that were recently put into soil and a couple GC that I put into soil over the past couple days. That'll free up some space for me in both rooms and within the next week I'll have the 2 mother plants being ready for the last round of cuttings to come off.

3 of the 4 SG plants I put in the hydro setup are looking really good, the other looks okay but not great. They aren't taking off like rockets or anything but they look good so I think I got a good watering schedule for them. The difference came when I added nutes to the water the other day, they went from limp and sad to perky and dark green. Think I may have got the bugs worked out so I'll get a nother setup or two going after the big SG and GC plants are done and gone. Think I may put a NFT or aero setup next to the ebb & flow to compare the differences and see which works best for me. I like the ebb & flow so far for it's simplicity but I think the aero would take up less space so more plants in the same space would be possible. I like the way the NFT system works too and it's very simple (no timers) so I would like to try one and see.

The immediate goal though, is to put together a cloner that is hydro of some sort. An aero type most likely like the EZ Cloners but probably using 2.5 or 5gal black buckets. I've got a pump and some PVC but no nozzles or timer yet so hopefully soon. I like the success rates I see and the quick rooting times people have claimed so I want to try it.

Forgot to mention what nutes I put in...FF Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom and a little hydro Grow Big for a total PPM of 750. Keeping the Ph between 5.8-6.3 and water temp between 65-75 is much easier with a big reservoir. I haven't had to do anything with the temp yet since when I started it was at 66 and it gradually rose to 72.5 and has been staying there. I know it should be a little cooler but since it's been steady, I haven't messed with it.

Ended up giving up just about all of my plants and all of my clones. I now only have the church and the slh plants that should give me some good clones along with the green cush, sour grapes that are well into flower and the little girls flowering in the hydro setup.
The Sour Grapes has roughly 3 weeks left and the Green Cush has about 4 if it goes as fast as it's mother did. The hydro stuff I have no idea since they are clones taken from the SG an they had little buds on them when I cut them. Those buds are still there and are growing so who knows how it'll end up.
Since I now have nothing vegging I'll take whatever cuttings I can from the church and slh and get them rooting so they'll be ready to flower when the SG and GC come out. Plan on keeping the best 6 and putting them into a hydro setup next to the one I have now. Not sure yet if it will be ebb & flow or aero but it will be one of the two and I'd really like to try the aero. I am not making plans past this because as of now I'm sure how much longer I'll be living here. May be moving and it will be hard to move a hydro setup.

After cutting a bunch of clones from the SLH and Church plants I decided to try an experiment with the Church since it's a pretty tough plant. I cut the top foot or so off and trimmed most of the branches off, recut the end, slit it, scraped it and dipped in gel and powder. Then I stuck it (the top of the plant) in the soil that I had removed another plant from to throw out. We'll see if it take sor not, lol. I cut both the mother plants down to a few inches tall and fed them Grow Big anf Big Bloom to see what happens too. If they begin to grow new branches I'll keep them around for a bit to see if I can still use them and if not I'll throw them out.

Got my Veg hydro setup put together and it's running in a corner of the garage. I'll let it run for a few days to make sure there's no leaks or anything and then I'll drain it until the clones are ready to go in.

If I were you and had the same feelings you did about not having space for mothers, this is what I would do:

take clones right before you flower the mothers and then clone the clones before you flower them.

clone mother > flower mother > veg clone > clone the clone > flower the clone > veg the clone clone > clone the clone clone > flower the clone clone > veg the clone clone clone> etc....you can do that forever. It may lose some potency or genetic strength but not until like the 100th generation clone I think.

As you know I like to quote the bible..So here is a passage from the bible according to JC
I interviewed several growers who made clones of clones more then 20 times! That is, clones (C-1) were taken from the original female grown from seed. These clones were grown in the vegetative stage, and clones (C-2_ were taken from the first clones (C-1). Blooming was induced in (C-1) two weeks later and (C-2), grown in the vegetative stage. Then, clones (C-3) were taken from the second clones (C-2). The same growing technigue is still going on with clones of the clones well past (C-20) and there has been no apparent breakdown in the potency or the vigor of the clone.

That's basically what I've been doing with exception of the SLH and The Church. I just let them get too tall so I cloned the piss out of them
and scrapped the mothers. That's why I currently have a SG that's 6 weeks into flower, three SG babies vegging ad four SG flowering in the hydro setup. I've also got a GC that's 4 weeks into flower, two in the hydro and a couple babies in soil. The plan was to take more clones from the little ones that are in soil and then pass them on to a friend. I have more than one in case one dies or something.

I'll probably go down in pot size so I can veg more plants with the same size hydro tray. I've got two setups currently, one for flower and ine for veg. I'll start using the veg one as soon as my clones root. I'd like to be able to veg eight at a time and flower the best six. I'm hopeful to be starting a tray flowering every 4 weeks.

Yeah you got alot going on, but its been like that for a while I guess. You will fall into a good routine eventually and it will be like clockwork Im sure. Your goal was to harvest every 2 weeks huh? I guess the hardest part is probably that you need to scrap plants but dont want to.

Im a bit baked and pressed for time so I am not going to re-read right now, you got so much going on I get lost.
If your able will you post your ideal plan in list form?
Like:
Have 2-3 "mothers" of each
2 weeks take 3 clones off mother(1)
Flower Mother(1)
Let the 3 clones(1) develop 6 weeks (top or lst or whatever)
Scrap 2 of the 3 clones along the way


2 weeks later take 3 clones off mother(2)
Flower Mother(2)
Let the 3 clones(2) develop 6 weeks (top or lst or whatever)
Scrap 2 of the 3 clones along the way

2 weeks later take 3 clones off mother(3)
Flower Mother(3)
Let the 3 clones(3) develop 6 weeks (top or lst or whatever)
Scrap 2 of the 3 clones along the way

sorry that was such a long post Im a little stupid right now

Haha, no worries.

Actually I didn't plan on flowering the mothers at all as they would get too big. The original was as follows:

veg a clone for 4-6 weeks, take some clones from it and scrap it. Grow one of those clones long enough to take cuttigs from it and flower one of them after a few weeks. Repeat the process every two weeks so there's a plant goin into flower every two weeks.

The problem I ran into was being able to effectively light four big plants with the 400. I then decided to go hydro and use four small trays that I could flower 4 small plants in each figuring I'd be flowering freshly rooted clones essentially.

Problem with that idea was that just don't have enough space for mother plants and would have a hard time getting to my reservoirs using 4 of them.

End result of this learning experience was to start with some clones from my existing plants ad veg them in hydro fr 2 weeks before flowering them and just take cuttings from them 1 week into flower to make the next round of plants from. I have 6 plants flowerig in hydro right now that had no veg time so I could get an idea of how big they'll grow and that reinforced my idea of a 2 week veg.

The hurdle I'm facing at the moment is the heat wave we've been having here. The plants were all looking kinda sad before I left for Vegas on Friday and when I got home yesterday some look like they're dying. Too fucking hot...

I think I'll lose all of my clones so I'll have to order some seeds or go buy some clones and throw them in my veg hydro setup. I'll probably do both so I can keep shit going and if I have another episode of my clones dying down the road, I'll have seeds on hand.

I had some time today to mess around with the plants and realized that if I turn the hydro setup 90 degrees I can actually fit 3 setups in the flower room. I also figured out that by moving the light 6" to one side I get way better lighting on one side without hurting the other (due to odd shape of the reflector). So I moved the light and the hydro setup which I'll be calling #1 from now on and things look much better. I'll put up pics of the changes in a few.

The heat messing up a bunch of plants and killing my clones may have been a blessing in disguise since it's clearing out my grow op and forcing me to start over with everything except the two soil plants in flower which look good except for spider mites that came on over the wekend, the SLH mother which is cut way down and the plants in hydro #1.

I ordered up some seeds from Attitude of some really nice strains to keep on hand fo future use and found a place locally with clones of some excellent strains. Currently it's looking like I'll pick up some clones from them and get them going in the veg hydro setup so when the SG and GC are done I can move the new plants into hydro setup #2 in the flower room. I'll put the SLH in there at the same time as long as she makes it and see if I can get some clones from the newbies to get going in the veg hydro so I have something to put in hydro #1 when the ones currently in there are done. As long as I can be successful with clones again it'll be all good from there. If not, I'll germ some seeds and there will just be a lull between harvests.

Basically the heat just simplified things for me, haha. All good...

Oh yeah!! Got some Jack Herer, NL #5 and OG Kush clones today (9 total) and they're goin the veg hydro setup on Friday...STOKED!!

Got something big in the works too but I don't want to jinx it so keepin on the low for now and keepin my fingers crossed.

It looks like I'll have to keep the new deal quiet indefinitely. I'm stoked on it but know now that I can't talk about it, oh well.

It's going to change this grow a bit in a way that will simplify it even further (downsizing) is all I can say.

I'll update my grow tomorrow afternoon/evening with pics and junk since it's changed a lot since the last pics went up.

Here's some current pics of my setup. There's two Jack Herer in the veg hydro setup along with one clone that is either The Church or SLH and I'm not sure which. The one vegging in soil is the recovering SLH mother that is thriving all of a sudden. The two soil plants in flower are Green Cush and Sour Grapes with the larger of the two being the SG. The ones in hydro #1 are the four SG and two GC clones that I put straight into flower once rooted.
There's a couple bud shots and the one that is of a single bud is the GC, the one of the two buds is SG. I've been flushing the big GC and SG and it shows as you can tell they've used up the nutes and are showing deficiency. They're just about done now and will both be harvested over the next week starting with the GC tomorrow. It's looking like I'll get 1-1 1/2oz off the GC and should get between 2 1/2-3oz from the SG so I'm pretty stoked on these two.

Harvested the GC last week and started on the SG last night. It's got some pretty good size buds on it, really dense too. The GC didn't amount to much and it doesn't look as good as the first GC plant did though. Guess it needed more veg time...