Did i cook them????

Hydro daze

Hydro daze

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photo-3.jpgphoto-5.jpgphoto-4.jpgPUT MY PLANTS UNDER HPS 1000 WATT TEMPS GOT UP TO 89 WITH C02 IN ROOM NOW AT 84. RH GOT DOWN TO 25 STEADY AT 35 NOW. PH 5.6 TO 6.2 KNOCKED DOWN DAILY. USEING HAVEY 16 NUTES. EC AT 1. PLANTS ARE STARTING 4TH WEEK OF VEG. PLANT CAME OUT OF 4x8 TENT WITH 1000 WATT ON A 6 FOOT LIGHT RAIL. THE PIC IS OF AK48 AND SEEM TO BE THE WORST PLANT/STRAIN OF THEM ALL. THIS HAS ALL HAPPENED IN THE LAST 2 DAYS PLANTS HAD A SLIGHT NUTE BURN THAT THEY WERE RECOVERING WELL FROM.photo-1.jpg
 
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bibbles

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Are you using R/O water or tap water?
Can you use the flash on your device, or turn off the HPS for pictures which matter (everything orange, don't mean jack, there's a sticky about this)
If you are using R/O, are you using cal/mag?

This to me, given the terrible pictures, looks like nutrient burn. You neglect to say how you drop the PH, but it sounds like you do it by adding more nutrients? Protip: All caps just makes you look crazy, it makes the things you write harder to read (been on a freeway? Exit signs are normal, not all caps? People read by recognition, not by letter), and... less clear.

With what you have posted, useless, their done, if you can make a more detailed post concerning what type of water you use, the nutrients you use, in what amounts, the PH AND PPM, etc... you'll get more help. Given the fact that you have to knock it down that much daily, you probably have root rot issues though. It's good that you provided info, but it's not the right info... get some good pictures, and take a look at your roots, check your PPM, and go from there.

EDIT: There's a good sticky in the DWC forum about beneficial tea, hit it up if then roots are brown, which i expect they are (been dealing with it myself).

EDIT2: If you go with the tea, drain once, fill with tap water and h2o2, let run for 24 hours, drain, flush twice, refill, add tea, but not nutrients, then in another 24 hours add nutes.

EDIT3: if you're using tap water, let it sit for 48 hours before you add it back and add the tea, flush with straight tap water, the chlorine will only help if the tea is on hand, but make sure you use R/O water or something when you add the tea if you can't let the chlorine evaporate, as the chlorine will kill the beneficials just as it will the baddies.
 
209 Cali closet grower

209 Cali closet grower

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bibbles said:
Are you using R/O water or tap water?
Can you use the flash on your device, or turn off the HPS for pictures which matter (everything orange, don't mean jack, there's a sticky about this)
If you are using R/O, are you using cal/mag?

This to me, given the terrible pictures, looks like nutrient burn. You neglect to say how you drop the PH, but it sounds like you do it by adding more nutrients? Protip: All caps just makes you look crazy, it makes the things you write harder to read (been on a freeway? Exit signs are normal, not all caps? People read by recognition, not by letter), and... less clear.

With what you have posted, useless, their done, if you can make a more detailed post concerning what type of water you use, the nutrients you use, in what amounts, the PH AND PPM, etc... you'll get more help. Given the fact that you have to knock it down that much daily, you probably have root rot issues though. It's good that you provided info, but it's not the right info... get some good pictures, and take a look at your roots, check your PPM, and go from there.

EDIT: There's a good sticky in the DWC forum about beneficial tea, hit it up if then roots are brown, which i expect they are (been dealing with it myself).

EDIT2: If you go with the tea, drain once, fill with tap water and h2o2, let run for 24 hours, drain, flush twice, refill, add tea, but not nutrients, then in another 24 hours add nutes.

EDIT3: if you're using tap water, let it sit for 48 hours before you add it back and add the tea, flush with straight tap water, the chlorine will only help if the tea is on hand, but make sure you use R/O water or something when you add the tea if you can't let the chlorine evaporate, as the chlorine will kill the beneficials just as it will the baddies.
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24 hrs is fine
 
Hydro daze

Hydro daze

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bibbles said:
Are you using R/O water or tap water?
Can you use the flash on your device, or turn off the HPS for pictures which matter (everything orange, don't mean jack, there's a sticky about this)
If you are using R/O, are you using cal/mag?

This to me, given the terrible pictures, looks like nutrient burn. You neglect to say how you drop the PH, but it sounds like you do it by adding more nutrients? Protip: All caps just makes you look crazy, it makes the things you write harder to read (been on a freeway? Exit signs are normal, not all caps? People read by recognition, not by letter), and... less clear.

With what you have posted, useless, their done, if you can make a more detailed post concerning what type of water you use, the nutrients you use, in what amounts, the PH AND PPM, etc... you'll get more help. Given the fact that you have to knock it down that much daily, you probably have root rot issues though. It's good that you provided info, but it's not the right info... get some good pictures, and take a look at your roots, check your PPM, and go from there.

EDIT: There's a good sticky in the DWC forum about beneficial tea, hit it up if then roots are brown, which i expect they are (been dealing with it myself).

EDIT2: If you go with the tea, drain once, fill with tap water and h2o2, let run for 24 hours, drain, flush twice, refill, add tea, but not nutrients, then in another 24 hours add nutes.

EDIT3: if you're using tap water, let it sit for 48 hours before you add it back and add the tea, flush with straight tap water, the chlorine will only help if the tea is on hand, but make sure you use R/O water or something when you add the tea if you can't let the chlorine evaporate, as the chlorine will kill the beneficials just as it will the baddies.
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Yes im useing ro water! im useing heavy 16 nutes at ec of 1.0 week 4 of veg. Thats 500 ppms on .5 conversion anf 700 ppms on a .7 conversion. No cal/mag because heavy 16 has plenty.No root rot. Roots look nice and white. Have been using h2o2 for whole grow 1ml per 10l everyday. Water temps never get over 71( chiller).Anyone think this could of happened from light? Light is the only real thing i changed. Anyone know how long bleach stays in water? The reason for asking is when there was nothing in this hydro setup i put about a cup of bleach in 30 gallons every week to keep it clean. and yes before i put plants in i flushed res/pots with tap water.Ph still fluctuates for 5.6-6.2 knocked down daily with ph down.
 
BullwinkleOG

BullwinkleOG

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my buddy killed a good 20 or 30 plants because he watered them with a container he had used with bleach many months before even though he cleaned the hell out of it beforehand. don't doubt the power of bleach, it sure did make his grow room spotless...
 
WaxxyNuggets

WaxxyNuggets

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BullwinkleOG said:
my buddy killed a good 20 or 30 plants because he watered them with a container he had used with bleach many months before even though he cleaned the hell out of it beforehand. don't doubt the power of bleach, it sure did make his grow room spotless...
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I'm pretty sure your buddy just kills plants, i use bleach in my res to keep things spotless and all problems have been user error, not chlorine... :) Don't spread bad info.

Too the OP, what is your light cycle?, if it was an overdose imo i wouldnt expect the lightening around the veins... I'll look around for similar symptoms.
 
Hydro daze

Hydro daze

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Thanks for looking for me WAXXY! I took plants out of veg tent 18 hours a day! Put them in flower room but thought they needed another week of veg and this is 3 days worth of damage! Day one in flower room but still 18 hours of light plants started to droop there leaves. Flushed system kept ppms at 100 for a day and now there at 400 ppms=.8 ec . They seem to have stabilized( not getting any worse) don't think it nute burn never had it above 500 ppms 1.0 ec this is my first go in new room!
 
WaxxyNuggets

WaxxyNuggets

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And what type of system are you using? That much of a ph flux EVERYDAY worries me a little unless its dwc and even then wow, I commend you for being so adamant(sp) about dropping the ph everyday.... At a tds of 500 I would suspect its not burn unless in dwc... if roots are good i'd just ph some new nutes at half str and roll with it. (Ive seen bomb results with heavy 16). If its not progressively getting worse than you caught it man, don't over think it. Just monitor your girls over the next few days. If new growth is looking nice and healthy than you'll be ready to flower.

if you update with pics i'll check in and help you diagnose. I'm not by any means an expert <<<<<<< So i'm not suggesting anything, just helping you through the bs.. :joint:


Pretty sure theres a thread on here that is related to dwc and talks about a lowering tds that is constantly changed is better than pounding the roots with higher concentrations of nutrients... Also if you're in dwc look for the journal that produces dank buds running 420 ppm throughout the grow.
 
Hydro daze

Hydro daze

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I'm running the ebb and grow with 24 buckets with hyrdoton. This is my first round with heavy16 so I thought it was just not ph stable! Im not liking to have to ph everyday! Any thoughts about how to stabilize the ph in the system? I'll post pics everyday for the nexted couple of days! Hope for the best!
 
apbx720

apbx720

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imo, its not nute burn but maybe Mg def. maybe P def. i know u said yr nutes have plenty of Mg, but thats what it looks like to me. also because Mg def usually takes about 4 weeks to show. cal mag nutes also will buffer ph, which is another reason i think its could be Mg def., because of yr radical ph fluctuation. just my opinion
 
apbx720

apbx720

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the low humidity is whats causing the leafs to "taco" and appear dry. and 89deg F will also do it.
 
WaxxyNuggets

WaxxyNuggets

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Did you wash the hydroton? I had wierd rises in the ph using this system... I thought p def but your in veg and that is why I didn't say anything.... If your usin RO water my best assumption is mg.
 
Hydro daze

Hydro daze

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Up date! There getting better! Starved them. Cant run low ec of 1 with heavy16 with high powered lights! they were great up until they seen the 1000 watter. Always learning!
 
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