Did i fry my seedling?

So this one is 2 weeks old and was the only one out of 4 that took off. It was doing good so i pulled it out of the dome and gave it a little bit of 1/8 strength nutes. This morning it looked like this and the pellet was pretty dry. Nute burn? or just dry? Should I have repotted this already? One photo is a before shot.

Your killing it. Stop feeding it and read a book...

thanks for that tid bit. Actually ive read a few on the subject. I fed it because of some "experienced" growers here said since your using pellets you need to feed.

yea ur good lay off the nutes IMO till they are like 2 weeks old then start of 1/4 of what they should be getting then ease them up to General feeding or keep it low and then youll know youll never burn ur hoes

yeah this one is just over 2 weeks. Thats why i thought id be fine by feeding. Even all the books i have say to feed after 2 to 4 weeks. Its a learning experience for sure.

selfmedicator462 said:

So this one is 2 weeks old and was the only one out of 4 that took off. It was doing good so i pulled it out of the dome and gave it a little bit of 1/8 strength nutes. This morning it looked like this and the pellet was pretty dry. Nute burn? or just dry? Should I have repotted this already? One photo is a before shot.

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I will say, a seedling with only the cotyledon leaves, needs very little but humidity.

So, that is the first thing.

Second, those "leaves" are just the pumped up seed halves. It is working the food it has. It needs no nutrition.

How do I know? I screw it up all the time. Here is the lesson I preach to myself.

Tough love and lower pride.

Pride is when we think we are growing. HA! Or if we think we are enabling even the growth. NO. It grows on it's own.

In fact, that seed would have been in better shape had you just tossed it out into the shaded side dirt. Not just you, all of us.
We smoother these plants with soft love. But, not much is said about what those first 4 weeks are for.

Rooting in. And it is has to be Tough. If we make the plant a sissy, it will fail. So, I have started again, again. And have
4 clones in tiny root cups. These cups are only 1/2" wider than the rockwool cube I buy the clones in.

Now the tough love. For the first week of clones, I tiny water with B1 and Ryzotonic @50ppm, maybe 10 cc per and wait for wilt. No water until they show desperation. Not kidding....that is the tough part. This is how they grow.

But, think about it. Roots are seeking water. If there is plenty of water, no seeking. This is way before I drown them. That is the first problem I had.

So, what you are doing the same as we all do. Rushing. Thinking you are doing the growing,

Really the plant can grow anywhere and we are just trying not to interfere.

So, I will go out on a limb here and predict that one is lost. Maybe not. But, they stop growing if we are not tough. If we are hoovering over them and giving them everything they never want to get out of bed.

You have a severe nute burn I think and dehydrated. I have tried to recover clones that I have damaged like this, but it never works.

They just stall growth and when they get going again, they are stunted and not worth the cost of the HPS to bloom them.

But, clones are a lot less hardy than seed stock...no tap root.

So, until a set of real leaves begin, no nutes, be tough and talk to you plants. Help them understand.

We talk to them in the language of their hormone development.

Min. water = max rooting Auxins
Min nutes until good root ball = max growth Giberellins

selfmedicator462 said:

thanks for that tid bit. Actually ive read a few on the subject. I fed it because of some "experienced" growers here said since your using pellets you need to feed.

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Oh anyone can say RTFM, except there is no F****Manual.

And this is rather unique in that it is almost all folk lore....from Hippies. And we cannot count on good vibes on RIU...'nuff said?

Also, since the art is arcane (practiced in secret) and illegal, big profit, etc, the "books" don't tell it all. And most of the stuff is just lore passed down into this new home grow climate.

And it is in the best interest of anyone selling nutes to claim you need TOO MUCH. It is like toothpaste. Who uses that much at once? I don't.

Example? Dutch Masters claims you can begin clones at 400 PPM. WHAT???

So, listen to nature not the books so much. Put you mind up to a landrace in the lower Hindu Kush, say 6000 ft. Now, that landrace ganga may have been in that spot for a thousand years, who knows? It doesn't grow seedless. Yet it is very strong pot.

But, did anyone bring a humidity dome and fancy nutes? Hell no. See what I mean?

Commercial is commercial. It can be copper bracelets, or Parfum fragrance. Still, commercial is Lies.

I feed my seedlings 5ml Clonex 1gal ph'd 5.9 for 2-3 weeks than start in on a light dosage of nutes.

Just give them a little water so they don't completely dry out. Quit giving nutes, they don't need added support right now, when seeds are developed healthily, they are given packed hormones and nutes into that little nut shell and is all it'll need to get started.. Let nature do it's thang and they will do the growing for you. A good marking time (not in a time period such as weeks or days since all plants grow different sizes and rates and is never the same) try only introducing nutes after you see the first set of leaves really pop, I mean.. Don't be all anxious to give them nutes that the moment you see the very tips of the true leafs poking out that you start pumpin them bitches with nutes, hell.. You can even wait longer than that to give them any at all, but this is a good time period that they've gotten a little more hardy Nd are starting to become dependent on their surroundings.. If you really wanna know how this shit goes from paper and thought out theory into applied and real world? Go ahead and experiment.. I've got an experiment to show you how this works.. Ok well, I recomend using shitty seeds so your not burnin your wallet up by wasting a seed on this experiment, but if that's what you wanna try.. Go for it. But, try germinating without soil, without nutrients, and watch how well they do.. Fuck it, just poke them seeds into a wet paper towel and keep them wet and warm.. See how long they go before they die.. Be careful though because if you get too much light on the roots than they'll dry out and start getting fucked up and die early and the experiment will be pointless.. Try using one of your nutrientless peat pot things so the roots stay dark. Or a Rockwool cube. Just give them strait up water, id even go as far as using distilled RO water with 2.13958248 ppm lol and watch how far they get before they die of malnutrition! You'll be surprised how far Mother Nature will take those babies

good luck!

Thanks for all the advice. It's my first time and I've had so much different info coming in i got overwhelmed. So do you think this one is salvageable? Or not?

Yea if that's 2 weeks call in the ceramony.
Pop a new bean and try again.

Don't feed 'til she tells you.

So where did I go wrong? I mean besides feeding. Obviously this seedling wasn't growing. It hadn't changed for a week. I had it in a humidity dome on a heat mat under a f17t8 lamp. I was watering with distilled water which I'm not going to do any more. Should I have stuck it under my 400 watt mh right away?

selfmedicator462 said:

So where did I go wrong? I mean besides feeding. Obviously this seedling wasn't growing. It hadn't changed for a week. I had it in a humidity dome on a heat mat under a f17t8 lamp. I was watering with distilled water which I'm not going to do any more. Should I have stuck it under my 400 watt mh right away?

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Ph your water to 5.8-6.0 for seedlings, no dome... dome for clones no need for seeds. Make sure you lamp is not to hot on the seedling, fluorescents are good because you can get them close with minimal heat. Stay away from the 400w until you have at least 3 sets of leaves.

Kinda wonder if the distilled water stunted the growth. I think I'm going to try the next batch in cups instead of the pellets. I'm using pro mix for a medium btw. Save one transplanting step that way.

selfmedicator462 said:

So where did I go wrong? I mean besides feeding. Obviously this seedling wasn't growing. It hadn't changed for a week. I had it in a humidity dome on a heat mat under a f17t8 lamp. I was watering with distilled water which I'm not going to do any more. Should I have stuck it under my 400 watt mh right away?

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Ah, X-ray vision must be nice. So, no root growth at all? See? You didn't do anything wrong but Rushing....hey I'm not hatin'. I am the world's worst, so far.

I am off the clock now. I don't say, 8 weeks of veg. I know I can bloom in 8-9 weeks.

I bring in 2 - 3 clones a month to get them going, but I will veg them until I can get 20" height after a few trims. It might 8 weeks or never.

I want to go into Flo with at least 4 major cola branches. Not worth the light with less. I am finishing my second year, and began way to complicated.

HINT: More plants makes it easier to lose the ones that are inevitably lost.

I can bloom, I can veg, but unless and until I get healthy, hardy rooting techniques, I cannot go on. Rooting the the key.

In 2 weeks, the seed has popped spread and was rooting and you said nothing was happening. So you took off the dome and didn't spray, and didn't humidify.

And you wanted to push, so you overfed and stalled. It was rooting and cannot take anything unto that tap root forms. Then after 2 weeks, keep the dome, begin hardening sessions with the dome off. Then begin 5ml / gal clonex.....wait for the slight wilt.

We all will learn or give up. The plant will not change.

selfmedicator462 said:

Kinda wonder if the distilled water stunted the growth. I think I'm going to try the next batch in cups instead of the pellets. I'm using pro mix for a medium btw. Save one transplanting step that way.

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Yeah, transplanted can be a setback....I am working to minimize that....the setback.

Here is another thing. To me that rooting cup is way too big. It holds too much water. A seed should be in a seeding set. About the size of 1" cube. It you read up on houseplants, you find entire pages about how to transplant. Some is necessary, at first.

Mine are a month in a tiny rooting cup. It forces the roots to seek water. If you have a too big container at any stage, it is not good.

A transplant container should give the plant about 1 inch more room, no more. And it should be looking fairly root bound before you transplant.

Transplanting is for growing roots. The container cannot be over large or there is too much water and the roots don't have to get out of bed.

hey i started in that exact same pellet ur using. use no nutes and only water it 1 time a day with about a spoon of water. also put a heating pad on low under ur dome. i transplanted mine into the solo cup with the pellet at the end of day 3. roots went coming out of the thing but it was ready.

dont use nutes until it has a true set of leaves IMO

So I planted my last blue cheese seed yesterday in a solo cup with promix this time. This morning I had a half inch of taproot showing above the soil! I even made damn sure it was pointed down when I planted it. I gently repositioned it. Hope it continues to grow. Ive got 3 dairy queens in a paper towel now that should be ready to plant tomorrow. Trying to decide which method to go with.....solo cup or jiffy pellets. Either way.......no dome and heat mat off after they sprout this time. I will succeed at this or ill die trying........or just go broke.

sjyfjydyjyzhuang said:

Your killing it. Stop feeding it and read a book...

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Dude thank you so much! I can't believe nobody has thought of that! Oh wait they did. In like the first post. Fuckin troll

I replanted that wilted up seedling in a solo cup with promix and she opened back up! hopefully it will grow. When I busted off the jiffy pellet i noticed there was not much root growth at all. I think i had way to many things going wrong all at once. Heat, dome, pellets way too wet. Then the feeding didnt help. Thanks for your help guys!