Did we actually land on the moon?

hom36rown said:

just because the moons gravity is 1/6 of ours doesnt mean if you had a tape of someone on the moon and put it on 6x ff that is should look like gravity on earth

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I have to agree with PosNet here! It would look exactly as if you were on the earth except the fact that you would go 6 times higher than if you applied the same force on earth.

So if you can jump 6 inches on earth, the dynamics on the moon would be the same on earth as if you could jump 3 feet. (thats kinda hard to fathom for someone who isn't good at physics, but I'm sure others can concur with me that DO know physics) So, if you jumped 3 feet (It would take the same force as jumping 6 inches on earth) on the moon, IT WOULD LOOK EXACTLY LIKE YOU WERE JUMPING 3 FEET ON EARTH IF THE VIDEO IS SPED UP 6 TIMES THE SPEED!

Thus... PosNet and I stand correct!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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hom36rown said:

I wathced the double spped tape and it does not look like he is on earth, he falls too slowly and is able to move to easily/jump to highly...keep in mind he is wearing a heavy ass space suit

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If he weighed 200lbs and his space suit weighed 200lbs(I doubt his space suit weighed that much, maybe 120lbs ) than he would weigh ~67lbs on the moon.

So keep in mind that a "heavy ass space suit" even if it weighted 200lbs would only weigh ~33lbs on the moon! Plus he himself would only weigh ~33lbs. So if my figures are remotely close, than he would experience a net loss of 133lbs.

Lets ask this so called physicist student if my calculations are off(or wrong)! I can assure you they are correct, but lets hear it from the opposing party just to make sure. Anyone care to refute my calculations?

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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SocataSmoker said:

You're kidding me right? Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? Countless insurgents... all of whom most likely hated the US before the war... There's no way to dispute that we are indeed killing terrorists, but when risks come to benefits it's up for debate.

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"All of whom most likely hated the US before the war....."

Are you serious? Didn't "we" hate Iraq and Afghanistan before the war? Didn't our gov't make it out like these countries are BAD and we should "liberate" them from the oppressive tyranny being imposed?

Would we be considered "insurgents", "terrorists" or savages if another country invaded the USA and our people were trying to combat them?

We are the terrorists, we are invading them. They have a right to be shooting back at us. They are scared for their family and are so confused now because of war that they might join a militia to try and unite up against the invaders that are infiltrating their homeland. Don't be so naive SoSmoker. Have you ever thought about it from their perspective. A select group of people ALLEGEDLY hijacked the twin towers, so what gives us the right to invade two countries and we are now talking about invading Iran. I'm now a free thinker. I now don't let the media persuade my mind!

Anyways this thread is not about that, so lets move on. Lets agree to disagree so we don't hijack this threads purpose.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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Ok We Tarded, since you obviously can't see the facts... such as a man moving way to damn fast in a cumbersome space suit (even if it weighed 33lbs you aren't going to move your arms like a Kung Fu fighter...) here's a video for ya, I'd like to see you speed this up 6x and see how well your theory holds water then, unless he's a real life energizer bunny.

YouTube - Astronauts on moon surface (2x speed)

Talk in one hand, shit in the other... which one will fill up fastest? Also, the last 20 Iraqi's I talked to (one of my best friends is Iraqi) say they're unimaginably thankful for the US... so....


P.S. Maybe you should watch more videos like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQK5thIYJCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkTES8G-kBo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hu6VX3N2k0

if you decrease the rate of gravity by half, then the object accelerates at half the rate

if you decrease the frame rate by half, then the object accelerates at half the rate

?plz enlighten me as to exactly where my obvious 'village idiot' error is here. i humbly apologise for my ignorance and lack of education i was in a military school for nazis my whole youth where they beat me every week at least twice, so i had no education other than to hate my friends the blacks who gave me plenty ganja to ease the pain. JAH RASTAFARI! be praised!

i apologise for my stupidty, but where is the error in these statements o great and super genius pilots of the sky and curious astronaughts??

SocataSmoker said:

Ok We Tarded, since you obviously can't see the facts... such as a man moving way to damn fast in a cumbersome space suit (even if it weighed 33lbs you aren't going to move your arms like a Kung Fu fighter...) here's a video for ya, I'd like to see you speed this up 6x and see how well your theory holds water then, unless he's a real life energizer bunny.

YouTube - Astronauts on moon surface (2x speed)

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Good rebuttal SoSmoker.

Your right, it does look like they are moving their hands a little quick. I have no problem telling anyone when they have a point(or if someone is right). It does look a little strange to me too. I have no rebuttal.

Ohh shit!!!!! Your soooo right!!!!! I wonder what it would look like at 6X's the speed! If the vids were sped up 6 times the speed on the moon than that should equal what it would look like on earth!! (the dynamics of the jump should exactly be the same except the movement of the person. Also, it would only take 1/6th the amount of effort/force to be applied to the jump on the moon than on earth, or if you applied the same force to the jump than you would go 6 times as high. But as far as the dynamics go when sped up 6 times on the moon, it should look exactly like a jump on the earth[aside from the persons movements])

You did it SocataSmoker! You make me ascertain that we didn't land on the moon! If the original NASA vid was sped up 6 times it should look like they were jumping on earth. The dynamics would apply to the jump but it would not hold true to the persons movement(thats totally irrelevant). So if someone would speed up the original NASA vids 6 times than they should equal that of earths dynamics, BUT I guarantee that they wouldn't.

The alleged moon landing vids, if sped up six times, would be too fast! When they are sped up 2 times than they look close to what it would look on earth. So if they were sped up 3 times as fast as the 2X speed than that is what it should be equal to to earths jumping dynamics because 3x2=6!!

So I am 95% conclusive that we faked at least some of the moon landings!! Because if they sped up the tapes 6 times it should equal that of earths dynamics but doesn't. Their movements would be too fast, and not equal to what they should be, if the vids were sped up 6 times!!

I'm sure PosNet can concur with me... I can try and better explain myself if anyone doesn't understand!!!!!!!!!!!! WE FAKED(at least) SOME OF THE MOON LANDINGS!

Edit- BTW, I never said Sudan Hussein was a nice dictator.. What I am saying is that this war has killed our economy and we are over there for unjust reasons! Do you know Dick Cheny was the CEO(if he wasn't the CEO than he was another big-wig) of Haliburton. Haliburton is a company that is working for the gov't profiteering off the war and making billions of dollars profit! I don't really want to get off subject with this thread, though. I'm done.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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Yay Wetard! Hahahaha... I mean... just think about it, we overfly the moon but don't land? That's a wasted trip when we have the technology to land there, it's like my Grand Canyon theory, I'm not going to just look at it, I'm going to experience it.

As for you Poseidon, I rest my case on the video evidence. No matter how you look at it... it shows that whatever environment the astronauts were in, it was much less gravity than earths, which could only be done on earth in a Vomit Comet, and no way would they be able to contain all that dust and debris inside an aircraft doing a parabolic arc.

we overfly the moon but don't land?

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where does this come from?
We have never been further than EARTH's orbit. No people went there, only unmanned probes. (Like the Russians)
the radiation kills beyond the van allen belt (?sp)

no way would they be able to contain all that dust and debris inside an aircraft doing a parabolic arc.

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nobody said it was this
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its just a bit of desert film slowed down 2x, maybe 2.5x, possibly even 3, but definately not 6! Like it should be.

if that were speeded up 6 times he'd be walking like charlie chaplin.

damn that format of video can't be easily ripped. anyone know how to rip it so we can speed it up to six times?

SocataSmoker said:

and no way would they be able to contain all that dust and debris inside an aircraft doing a parabolic arc.

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As PosNet said, we didn't postulate that at all. No one mentioned an airplane doing a parabolic arc. That would have to be one HUGE plane! HAHA

PoseidonsNet said:

where does this come from?
We have never been further than EARTH's orbit. No people went there, only unmanned probes. (Like the Russians)
the radiation kills beyond the van allen belt (?sp)


nobody said it was this
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its just a bit of desert film slowed down 2x, maybe 2.5x, possibly even 3, but definately not 6! Like it should be.

if that were speeded up 6 times he'd be walking like charlie chaplin.

damn that format of video can't be easily ripped. anyone know how to rip it so we can speed it up to six times?

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I'm not sure if the radiation kills beyond the Van Allen radiation belt. I'm sure it depends on the amount of solar flares being emitted by the sun and if you cross its path. I heard someone speculate that you would need 4 feet of lead shielding to protect yourself from the harmful radiation. I'm not exactly sure what the radiation would do to you(not good though), but I'm sure the longer you are exposed the worse off you are.

I believe we would have been able to land on the moon if it wasn't for the dangerous and seemingly(at the time anyways) unpredictable space radiation. I believe that was the main reason why NASA staged the Apollo missions. They wanted to beat the Russians, but they knew of the potential repercussions if they sent their men there. They felt obligated to show something tangible because of all the tax payers dollars being put into NASA.

I would love to see it sped up 6X!!! That would surely turn any hoax skeptic into a hoax believer (Unless they can't fathom what it all means.). Does anyone know how to speed it up to 6X? I'm not computer illiterate but I'm no comp genius either. I just do what I need to do.

I just want to say that I appreciate PosNet posting in this thread! Its good to talk to someone who understands math and physics because otherwise I would feel like I'm talking to a wall. I was going to give you more reps, but I need to spread it around! So, thanks for your input bro. And thanks SS, for the intelligent rebuttals.

Edit-SocataSmoker- Who said anything about flying outside the radiation belt and flying around the moon? I'm saying that we never came near the moon, instead they hung out in space(within the Van Allen radiation belt) for X days.


RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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Ok, how can you explain the way he falls and bounces back up then eh? No wires as they'd be visible (no fx like that back then) so what was it then? A magical desert place on earth that has low gravity? Yeah... right... Also, speeding up, slowing down has nothing to do with the way the body acts physically, viewing the videos you can tell it's low gravity by the unnatural moves he makes... Got proof we never went further than the Earth's orbit?

Oh, and the radiation? Needless to say this is a very simplistic statement. Yes, there is deadly radiation in the Van Allen belts, but the nature of that radiation was known to the Apollo engineers and they were able to make suitable preparations. The principle danger of the Van Allen belts is high-energy protons, which are not that difficult to shield against. And the Apollo navigators plotted a course through the thinnest parts of the belts and arranged for the spacecraft to pass through them quickly, limiting the exposure. The Van Allen belts span only about forty degrees of earth's latitude -- twenty degrees above and below the magnetic equator. The diagrams of Apollo's translunar trajectory printed in various press releases are not entirely accurate. They tend to show only a two-dimensional version of the actual trajectory. The actual trajectory was three-dimensional. The highly technical reports of Apollo, accessible to but not generally understood by the public, give the three-dimensional details of the translunar trajectory.
Each mission flew a slightly different trajectory in order to access its landing site, but the orbital inclination of the translunar coast trajectory was always in the neighborhood of 30°. Stated another way, the geometric plane containing the translunar trajectory was inclined to the earth's equator by about 30°. A spacecraft following that trajectory would bypass all but the edges of the Van Allen belts.
This is not to dispute that passage through the Van Allen belts would be dangerous. But NASA conducted a series of experiments designed to investigate the nature of the Van Allen belts, culminating in the repeated traversal of the Southern Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (an intense, low-hanging patch of Van Allen belt) by the Gemini 10 astronauts.

NO, we like men who don't condone the rape of women and children just because they believe them to be inferior. YOU ARE A FRUIT LOOP!!Here's something he wrote on the net. In the second one, he describes smacking his woman.Appendix E: South African Justice -- http://www.2010-south-africa.org/literature/Reality-Literature-2.htm

PoseidonsNet said:

well if u're arguing for sodomy, then what else r u?
i thought you guys liked fucking shit? y r u offended by
the prospect of fucking shit suddenly?

plz enlighten me o wise soccata

2) you tube is hardly the essence of 'research'
and i have speant over two decades involved exclusively in study.

in south africa

which has the worst of the AIDS problem

in the disciplines of Psych and Phil

3) flight simulators r video games. for big boys like you.
because you were born into the priveledge of pilothood
does not you a philospher make.


i have plenty of support .. from the older crowd sonny,

so you DO believe that in a fight women are the equal of men?

perhaps u let your girl do the fightin' for ya?

'pussy rules the world'
it may rule the world of 'fly boys', but it does not rule AFRICA.

so you DO believe that in a fight women are the equal of men?
or do u have further illogical hypocracy to spew on us?

Ladies? Do you like cowardly men who let the women do the fighting?

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so if its ok for a man to beat up a man,
then it must be ok for a man to beat up a woman
seeing as tho we r equal?

thats what your equality amounts to.

i am chivalrous and believe that women should be protected
as they are weaker

where do u see me promoting rape you weirdo?

that rape article was written by a racist afrikaaner bitch
the same fuckers who fucked me up all my life
your buddys
nazis

y do u people accuse me of things i do not say?
r u fighting with your own consciences perhaps?

I'm glad she left him.

About the last HUGE pic that you just posted SoSmoker.

My question is how come you can make out every detail on his suit, but he casts a black shadow. Just look how black the shadow is on the ground, I would think he would look like a silhouette. You can make out every implement on his attire.

"Ok, how can you explain the way he falls and bounces back up then eh? No wires as they'd be visible (no fx like that back then) so what was it then? A magical desert place on earth that has low gravity? Yeah... right... Also, speeding up, slowing down has nothing to do with the way the body acts physically, viewing the videos you can tell it's low gravity by the unnatural moves he makes... Got proof we never went further than the Earth's orbit?"

YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage - InfoDebug.com Start watching at ~2min 15 seconds. Watch the whole thing if you want. I would advise you watch all the vids I posted throughout the thread. I don't have "proof" that we never left the Van Allen radiation belt. I am a conspiracy "theorist" and therefor go against the conventional governmental "facts". They say its a fact that we landed on the moon. I think I have presented enough info to make anyone question the official report.

The gov't also says fluoride in our water is good for our teeth. I beg to differ. YouTube - Dangers of Fluoride So you can believe everything the gov't tells you, but I'll remain skeptical. BTW, this moon landing hoax thing is not one of my priorities, but I have enjoyed debating with you guys on here.

We haven't even talked about the lighting anomalies yet.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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Don't feed the trolls, stoney....Anyway, the moon...yeah it's a good thing...we need it.

I just watched that video...that's pretty compelling ...but WHY would we make it all up? Because of the cold war and the need to appear superior to the Russians? Wetarded, do you think we've never been there? On any of the moon missions?

Stoney McFried said:

I just watched that video...that's pretty compelling ...but WHY would we make it all up? Because of the cold war and the need to appear superior to the Russians? Wetarded, do you think we've never been there? On any of the moon missions?

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I don't have all the answers. If anyone has followed this thread from the beginning they would realize that I have been learning as I go along
I don't know if we landed on the moon on any of the Apollo missions, but I don't trust a liar after I know their true colors.
I think the cold war most likely had a big influence the alleged moon landings. Also, president Kennedy stated NASAs objective was to land of the moon before the next decade(before 1970).

I could be wrong about all of this. I am simple looking at it from a scientific point of view. I am playing detective, if you will. I always believed we landed on the moon until the day I posted this thread.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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Me, too, until I read this thread. Makes me kinda sad.

We TaRdED said:

I don't have all the answers. If anyone has followed this thread from the beginning they would realize that I have been learning as I go along
I don't know if we landed on the moon on any of the Apollo missions, but I don't trust a liar after I know their true colors.
I think the cold war most likely had a big influence the alleged moon landings. Also, president Kennedy stated NASAs objective was to land of the moon before the next decade(before 1970).

I could be wrong about all of this. I am simple looking at it from a scientific point of view. I am playing detective, if you will. I always believed we landed on the moon until the day I posted this thread.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

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i didnt see any wires?