Dirrtyd's 2013 Outdoor Grow
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dirrtyd
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All are welcome here is another good link with loads of info. keepem green
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/tables.html
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/tables.html
dirrtyd
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A little something for you all to marinate on.
product called AgSil 16H which is a brand name for Potassium Silicate. This
is a mined mineral compound and it's molecular formula is K2O3Si and it's the Si
(Silica) that is water soluble. This is the exact same compound used in the Dyna
Gro Pro-TeKt product (and others like Silica Blast, Rhino Skin, etc. - no
mystery at all)
The link is to Custom Hydro Nutrients and they sell the
base compounds for those who mix their own hydroponic nutrients. Their price for
a single pound is only $12.00 and .70 grams to 1 gallon of water will give you
an uber safe application mix ratio.
Potassium Silicate is 'approved for
organic food production' because mined minerals cannot be 'organic' or
'non-organic' - they can be 'approved' or 'not approved' or have 'limited
application approval'
So there's one bottle down and it's on to liquid
'seaweed' and other weird claims.
I know of only 3 true liquid kelp
products from around the world:
KELPAK - located in South Africa and they do have a very
unique product because the 'juice' in the kelp
fronds is pressed out by machines and it does not use powerful Alkaloids like
the powdered products (Maxicrop, et al.). This product is usually available in 5
gallon jugs and is priced around $40.00 per gallon. This is a favorite with
hydroponic bottlers because it's crystal clear just like water meaning that it
won't interfere with their color schemeatic.
KelpGrow - located in British Columbia and they grind the kelp
into a slurry (specific particle size) and they they use what they call
'microbial inhibitors' to extend its shelf life. I didn't bother looking at what
that might mean - could be anything from Phosphoric acid to Citric
acid.
Powdered Seaweed
Extracts - this is main one found in most garden products. Maxicrop is a big
player. The kelp
is processed with chemicals (Potassium or Sodium Hydroxide) which renders this
plant material into a black powder - powdered seaweed
extract. Notice that these products are never identified as 'powdered kelp
extracts' and that has to do with an international treaty dating back to 1950
when Stephenson first introduced this new concept to the world. Kelp
is kelp.
Seaweed
extract is seaweed
extract.
Maxicrop mixes the powder with water and usually adds some
Soluble Potash to bump up the 'K' numbers for the ill-informed.
Any of
the retail 'liquid seaweed'
products are powders and if the largest manufacturer (Maxicrop) tosses out some
real crap can you imagine what is coming out of Asia? South America?
You
want to find Kelp
meal because this is like Alfalfa meal in this regard - it's minimally
processed. The kelp
fronds are layed out in the sun and basically dried and cured. Then it's cut,
sized and bagged. Very little (tiny amounts) of kelp
meal ever hits the dirt compared to the amount used in livestock supplements,
HABA products, research in medicine.
Kelp
meal is easily sourced at places that cater to horse owners - feed stores or
sometimes called farm stores. Almost all of the kelp
meal in North America comes out of Nova Scotia (Acadian Seaplants, Ltd.) in 50
lb. bags. The price should run between $75.00 - $90.00 (depending on how hard
you're getting stabbed).
But consider this - 2 oz. will turn 5 gallons of
water into kelp
meal tea with all of the 'things' you want (Alginic acid, Mannitol, IAA, IBA,
etc.) plus when you're done brewing the tea, the 2 oz. of rehydrated kelp
still retains about 50% of the 'things' you wanted in the first place.
You can add this to a new batch of soil, toss it into a worm bin,
top-dress plants in your outdoor garden.
keepem green
product called AgSil 16H which is a brand name for Potassium Silicate. This
is a mined mineral compound and it's molecular formula is K2O3Si and it's the Si
(Silica) that is water soluble. This is the exact same compound used in the Dyna
Gro Pro-TeKt product (and others like Silica Blast, Rhino Skin, etc. - no
mystery at all)
The link is to Custom Hydro Nutrients and they sell the
base compounds for those who mix their own hydroponic nutrients. Their price for
a single pound is only $12.00 and .70 grams to 1 gallon of water will give you
an uber safe application mix ratio.
Potassium Silicate is 'approved for
organic food production' because mined minerals cannot be 'organic' or
'non-organic' - they can be 'approved' or 'not approved' or have 'limited
application approval'
So there's one bottle down and it's on to liquid
'seaweed' and other weird claims.
I know of only 3 true liquid kelp
products from around the world:
KELPAK - located in South Africa and they do have a very
unique product because the 'juice' in the kelp
fronds is pressed out by machines and it does not use powerful Alkaloids like
the powdered products (Maxicrop, et al.). This product is usually available in 5
gallon jugs and is priced around $40.00 per gallon. This is a favorite with
hydroponic bottlers because it's crystal clear just like water meaning that it
won't interfere with their color schemeatic.
KelpGrow - located in British Columbia and they grind the kelp
into a slurry (specific particle size) and they they use what they call
'microbial inhibitors' to extend its shelf life. I didn't bother looking at what
that might mean - could be anything from Phosphoric acid to Citric
acid.
Powdered Seaweed
Extracts - this is main one found in most garden products. Maxicrop is a big
player. The kelp
is processed with chemicals (Potassium or Sodium Hydroxide) which renders this
plant material into a black powder - powdered seaweed
extract. Notice that these products are never identified as 'powdered kelp
extracts' and that has to do with an international treaty dating back to 1950
when Stephenson first introduced this new concept to the world. Kelp
is kelp.
Seaweed
extract is seaweed
extract.
Maxicrop mixes the powder with water and usually adds some
Soluble Potash to bump up the 'K' numbers for the ill-informed.
Any of
the retail 'liquid seaweed'
products are powders and if the largest manufacturer (Maxicrop) tosses out some
real crap can you imagine what is coming out of Asia? South America?
You
want to find Kelp
meal because this is like Alfalfa meal in this regard - it's minimally
processed. The kelp
fronds are layed out in the sun and basically dried and cured. Then it's cut,
sized and bagged. Very little (tiny amounts) of kelp
meal ever hits the dirt compared to the amount used in livestock supplements,
HABA products, research in medicine.
Kelp
meal is easily sourced at places that cater to horse owners - feed stores or
sometimes called farm stores. Almost all of the kelp
meal in North America comes out of Nova Scotia (Acadian Seaplants, Ltd.) in 50
lb. bags. The price should run between $75.00 - $90.00 (depending on how hard
you're getting stabbed).
But consider this - 2 oz. will turn 5 gallons of
water into kelp
meal tea with all of the 'things' you want (Alginic acid, Mannitol, IAA, IBA,
etc.) plus when you're done brewing the tea, the 2 oz. of rehydrated kelp
still retains about 50% of the 'things' you wanted in the first place.
You can add this to a new batch of soil, toss it into a worm bin,
top-dress plants in your outdoor garden.
keepem green
angryblackman
Well-Known Member
Learnin time boys and girls! Thanks D. 
Ballsonrawls
Well-Known Member
i have a question. ive been trying to figure out when to plant. ive looked on a few sites and im reading two days before the full moon. anyone like to help explain this to me please? lol
dirrtyd
Well-Known Member
TWS just copy and paste into a word document
If you go to the first link and read it will explain when to plant with the moon.
It would help if they read before asking questions on what has been covered. I dont know how some expct to learn without a little reading homework. I'm always reading somethings over and over. keepem greenLearnin time boys and girls! Thanks D.
hes talking about notepad on the website, we used to have a notepad available for users, he cannot copy/paste it into word doc cause its gone since we no longer have note pad
dirrtyd
Well-Known Member
Thanks for dropping in Kush.
A little something from VG
If you want to even up the canopy, you might try some things I use.
LST- Leaning the taller branches, underneath the screen, and train individual shoots into separate holes in the screen, offering even spacing.
Supercropping- This involves pinching the taller shoots, just above the screen, and bending them horizontally. I often use wire hooks to hold them in place.
FIMing- I sometimes FIM to slow vertical growth while filling in a lightly branching strain. FIMing your taller shoots would be an effective way to level the canopy.
Spread the canopy horizontally- Lean branches away from the main stalk, or plant center. More area = more light = more buds.
Look at your plants at noon- See if any sunlight is reaching the ground, underneath. Train branches, accordingly.
keepem green dirrtyd
A little something from VG
If you want to even up the canopy, you might try some things I use.
LST- Leaning the taller branches, underneath the screen, and train individual shoots into separate holes in the screen, offering even spacing.
Supercropping- This involves pinching the taller shoots, just above the screen, and bending them horizontally. I often use wire hooks to hold them in place.
FIMing- I sometimes FIM to slow vertical growth while filling in a lightly branching strain. FIMing your taller shoots would be an effective way to level the canopy.
Spread the canopy horizontally- Lean branches away from the main stalk, or plant center. More area = more light = more buds.
Look at your plants at noon- See if any sunlight is reaching the ground, underneath. Train branches, accordingly.
keepem green dirrtyd
BigJon
Well-Known Member
Hey Obi, happy spring to you. And to Uncle Dirrty and ABM as well. Sorry if I missed some other names that I made e-friends with last year. You're in my area and the key to prevent early spring flowering for me is to match the photo period of your t5s with the sun while you're hardening them for the outdoors but instead of leaving them in total darkness in your gor wroom, put them out in the moonlight. This process should take about a week. That might be a lot more work than just putting it out on the waxing moon like dirrtyd says. I'm going to give that one a shot too.
You have to appreciate the OGs though. They already did all the experimenting so we don't have to.
Looking forward to the progress, DirrtyD!
angryblackman
Well-Known Member
I was JUST thinking about you BigJon! Glad to see you are back in it.
dirrtyd
Well-Known Member
Here is a little something for you guerilla growers enjoy. From VG
A few tips.
1) Figure out what the sun does throughout the day in your potential location. Your plants need a minimum of six hours direct sunlight, each day. Make sure your sky is open overhead and to the South.
2) Put something eight feet tall and easily visible where you intend to grow. Circle your site until you can't see your marker. This will give you an idea how stealthy your spot really is.
3) Herbivores are everywhere. Rabbits and deer love Cannabis. Cattle are worse yet. Fence or screen your girls. Try to use plants at least 12 inches tall and growing vigorously, so that a slug or mouse can't destroy them, easily.
Hope this helps!
keepem green dirrtyd
A few tips.
1) Figure out what the sun does throughout the day in your potential location. Your plants need a minimum of six hours direct sunlight, each day. Make sure your sky is open overhead and to the South.
2) Put something eight feet tall and easily visible where you intend to grow. Circle your site until you can't see your marker. This will give you an idea how stealthy your spot really is.
3) Herbivores are everywhere. Rabbits and deer love Cannabis. Cattle are worse yet. Fence or screen your girls. Try to use plants at least 12 inches tall and growing vigorously, so that a slug or mouse can't destroy them, easily.
Hope this helps!
keepem green dirrtyd
obijohn
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Regarding light and length of day....most clones are under lights 24 hours with no darkness before I get them. The lights I have are set to sixteen hours. They are in a day room, so they get indirect/ambient sun too. Even now they look like more white hairs are popping up.
I guess I'm wondering, when they are all hardened off, would a twenty four hour light cycle before leaving them out permanently reset them so they do t start flowering more and be in veg? Bj, far as moonlight itself, I'm not sure that would matter. I've always heard that moonlight isn't enough to affect plants, the light needs to be brighter to register with them?
I guess I'm wondering, when they are all hardened off, would a twenty four hour light cycle before leaving them out permanently reset them so they do t start flowering more and be in veg? Bj, far as moonlight itself, I'm not sure that would matter. I've always heard that moonlight isn't enough to affect plants, the light needs to be brighter to register with them?
Trippy Stix
Active Member
stopping by to check out a master at his work, good luck this season man. 1 question.. how many weeks/months of growth do you usually supercrop? all mine are currently around 3-4 weeks and I've topped them all above the 3rd or 4th node about 4 days ago.. to then lst the two top shoots away from each other in a canopy like spread so throughout the season they keep getting farther away from eachother in sort of a "Y" fashion so the side shoots can start going wild. When do you suggest ?
BigJon
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Its the universe, man! Synchronicity is a sign that God's got our backs. Or its a coincidence, fuck if I know.I was JUST thinking about you BigJon! Glad to see you are back in it.
Haha, man, I been high as shit the last 7 months. Been working on a lot of side projects. Finally, after 2 years of growing, I saved up enough cash to not have to pay for more than two clones. Even then its not that impressive lol just two 65w cfls in a walmart indoor closet. I hope you're off to a good start!
Oh I see, so they're kind of already starting? Or just sexing? I'm sure Dirrty can help with that. As far as I go, my clones have always gone from 24 hour lights straight to the outdoors. I just make sure that first week it only gets moonlight from 12am to 6am. But if it started flowering already, I dunno. Looking back at my old thread, I put my clones out the first week of May but my deciding factor was it being the full moon. There's no scientific reason either. Its just some old hippy stuff that served me well last season.
I think the moon just acts as a good bridge so that the plant doesnt go through the full shock of spending its whole life indoors straight outdoors. We always harden off for light intensity but dont consider what the moon might to a plant if we dont harden it off to the night somehow as well. I find 6 hours to be the perfect amount of time to harden it with. The moon is a powerful summbitch. It effects water activity and women's hormone levels. Why not a plant which also is made up of water and hormones. I dunno, I'm high.