Discussion on cloning systems/methods - perpetual grow help
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Beezcheeze
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Yea that's nice. It's pretty long and wide but not so tall that iT takes a shit ton of water. Where'd you get it?
Beezcheeze
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I think this is what that guy used but he spray painted the top black. Wouldn't using spray paint be bad for the plants? Man I wish these came with a light proof lid. Would hate to paint it. Idk
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Aviar
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Im pretty sure it was Wal-Mart. It was clear with a white lid. I took black duct tape and taped it everywhere. lol
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bird mcbride
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Every two weeks I get not quite a qp from five snips.
I pull them and plant them while the table is flooded. I find that when pulling them I give them short little tugs while the table is flooded and I'll get most of the roots. If I can't get it all done on one cycle I'll get it done on the next.
The plant(s) when large enough get LST'd by being tipped outwards while the table is flooded and the table is treated like one large plant pot. I move the reflective screen with the plants.
16 plants in the same area will still yield the same but this gives no room for failures(clones that grow but not the best).
bird mcbride
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All the clones that are placed in the bin root.
I use Stimroot #2 powder. I've noticed they sell it at Lowes.
You need a pump up sprayer for gardening.
I stopped using the hard rockwool and now using the soft rock wool that can be gotten from a lumberyard and it is sold by the bail. One of these bags of rock wool will last a 1kw grower a lifetime. Instead of planting through the top of the rock wool as with hard rock wool, the soft rockwool is cut into 2"x2.5" pieces with scissors and the clone is stuck in through the side on the two inch cut. I support the soft rockwool with a bit of gravel, make the hole and stick the snip into it. Be sure to soak the rockwool intended to be used first. I use spent res water from the budders. I compact the soft rockwool around the stem of the snip with the pump up sprayer set appropriately.
These large clear plastic garbage bags usually come in eight or more. When it's time to clean up the bin it's a matter of swapping out the bag and cleaning the gravel.
This mini-greenhouse is set as high as practical in the mother room as the temperature is always 69-72F and in this position it won't require a heat pad etc. The best part about this is if the power goes out for an extended period the clones in the bin will be the last to perish.
After a person learns to manage this thing they'll be able to manage it in their sleep, stoned outta their tree
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hotrodharley
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Cover it with tin foil.
bird mcbride
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ASAP new seedlings and clones get a piece of reflective plastic(5-6" sq) placed at their base.
Start seedling(s) under 12/12 1kw hps at about 44" from glass to gravel. FIMM for the mom.
bird mcbride
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When I get too many rooted clones before it's time to go in I've got a trough made from 1"x4" board lined with plastic that runs to waste. I use a minimal amount of gravel for suspension and they get fed by me with the pump up sprayer. I keep them down lower in the room with the moms and of course they all get their reflective plastic placed at their base.
I set the sprayer on wide spray and just stick the tip of the sprayer into the holes made in the reflective plastic to accommodate the stalk.
Everything in the greenroom gets done with the spent res water from the budders.
I set the sprayer on wide spray and just stick the tip of the sprayer into the holes made in the reflective plastic to accommodate the stalk.
Everything in the greenroom gets done with the spent res water from the budders.
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Beezcheeze
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1/4 lb from 5 clones? Is hat what your saying? What's your harvest with 25 clones begged as soon as they're rooted? I'm trying to pick the best method to get the most weight with the least amount of growing time and expenses.
Would you ge the same weight off 15 clones vegged for a week as you would off 25 clones flowered as soon as they're rooted?
Beezcheeze
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Re reading this again I understand more. So you have a perpetual where you harvest 5 plants every 2 weeks. I can't do that it I have 2 seperate 3x3 flood trays for flowering plants.they will all be fed the same nutrient feeding so they all need to be the same in maturity.
So you think I have hope of cropping out 1/2 lb or more off of clones that were sent straight to the flowering rooms? Close to 1000 watt equivalent in led over each area.
Beezcheeze
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I'm trying to keep mine nice and simple as well. Makes life easier. I'm gonna use hydroton in 5-8" net pots for the clones.All the clones that are placed in the bin root.
I use Stimroot #2 powder. I've noticed they sell it at Lowes.
You need a pump up sprayer for gardening.
I stopped using the hard rockwool and now using the soft rock wool that can be gotten from a lumberyard and it is sold by the bail. One of these bags of rock wool will last a 1kw grower a lifetime. Instead of planting through the top of the rock wool as with hard rock wool, the soft rockwool is cut into 2"x2.5" pieces with scissors and the clone is stuck in through the side on the two inch cut. I support the soft rockwool with a bit of gravel, make the hole and stick the snip into it. Be sure to soak the rockwool intended to be used first. I use spent res water from the budders. I compact the soft rockwool around the stem of the snip with the pump up sprayer set appropriately.
These large clear plastic garbage bags usually come in eight or more. When it's time to clean up the bin it's a matter of swapping out the bag and cleaning the gravel.
This mini-greenhouse is set as high as practical in the mother room as the temperature is always 69-72F and in this position it won't require a heat pad etc. The best part about this is if the power goes out for an extended period the clones in the bin will be the last to perish.
After a person learns to manage this thing they'll be able to manage it in their sleep, stoned outta their tree
Beezcheeze
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I need to figure out how to set up a fairly maintenance free dripper system for my 2x4 mother plant tray. It'll have 2-4 mother plants and each one will be in a 12" tall pot while the flood tray is only 7" tall. So I feel like need to use a drip system here and ebb and flow for the flowering tables.
bird mcbride
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My moms are on a DIY drip system using a timer control. I use the 120vac fill up control valves from the back of wash machines and a res that is mounted to the ceiling. I simply siphon them to get them started, one per mom. I find that the mother res does not need air when watering in this fashion. I keep the spent res water in 2.5 gallon containers and I just top the moms res up by hand. Drain to waste/
bird mcbride
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I like to keep lots of moms because people always want snips so I send them out non-rooted for $2 per non-rooted snip for shipping and handling. I always get a surprise package two or three months later
Beezcheeze
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I don't like doing drain to waste. Am using hydroton in large mesh bottom pots. Should I do a continuous drip or do several floods per day? I'll have a 2x4 flood table and a 25 gallon res underneath. Need to figure out what size water pump and what type of drips rings are best to use with this.
Beezcheeze
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I'll have pictures of al the tables set up here in a week or two
bird mcbride
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I change the res every four to seven days. That water goes to the moms and clones after it is spent by the budders then drain to waste.
The table I've got now is only two' by two'. Currently it is set to fill for three minutes and it takes three minutes to drain giving it a six minute fill and drain cycle. I have this set to go every four hours.
Fifteen minutes is the maximum cycle time. This is why I avoid constructing the tables to large.
The maximum daily saturation time(all cycles added together is 45 minutes).
I have used three fifteen minute cycles daily successfully etc.
After a bit you'll be able to make the determination of what to set the watering times at given your grow room and climate etc.
I picked up the 600 aquarium pump with circuit protection for $29.95.
My little 2'x2' table is using a 10 gallon res and a 5/8" overflow outlet at the tables maximum desired fill up that simply returns the water back to the res until the pump shuts off three minutes later.
I fashioned DIY drip rings for my moms. But for you...just get a 400 aquarium pump and good drip rings.
I find that with cheap $10 digital timers it is best to use the 24 hour or army time setting. The am/pm setting seems to lose their memory for some unknown reason.
Always use a relay hooked to a timer to run the pumps. I get the $5 12vdc relays from Canadian tire and plug a 12vdc adapter into the timer to run the relay. Bad things can happen when timers are hooked directly to HID lighting and pumps. If the relay you are looking at says it can handle 20 amps DC it will handle 20 amps at 120/240vac.