Do I absolutely need to let my soil sit/cook?

ShLUbY

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I had a similar situation not long ago & to get around it I used non amended recycled soil & just added a bag of ffof soil to it directly. Then give an EWC tea to get things going. I recycle my soils in 2 huge tote bins so that one is cooking while the other lays dormant awaiting amendments. If you add nothing to it there's nothing to break down but keep in mind the un-amended soil is weak- it will not support a plant through bloom phase but if you later add a top dressing to keep the microbial party rocking you could get away with it until your amended soil is at the proper ph- 6.5 or higher on a soil meter should be ok to use & it does take a month or so in my experience.
exactly, wont get you through flower, but will veg young plants just fine while you're waiting on some soil (I don't add the FFOF). i forgot to mention, i still put the rock dusts, oyster shell flour, and gypsum in the base mix as well, and water in with a compost tea. this is still a "no NPK" mix, so like Richard said above, nothing to break down really, so no worry.
 

Richard Drysift

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exactly, wont get you through flower, but will veg young plants just fine while you're waiting on some soil (I don't add the FFOF). i forgot to mention, i still put the rock dusts, oyster shell flour, and gypsum in the base mix as well, and water in with a compost tea. this is still a "no NPK" mix, so like Richard said above, nothing to break down really, so no worry.
Yeah I think the ocean forest wasn't even needed at the time but it made me feel better knowing it was in there- I have used un-amended semi-recycled soil to start seeds and clones with no detriment....even used it as worm bedding when I ran outta coco
 

Thai Fox

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I've found large ph swings during cooking process. Cool it ! I do 60 days personally.
Do you cook in the same pot? Or is it okay to cook in one storage container and then put in actual pot when ready to use, or better to let it cook in the actual pot so no need to disturb once ready to use? Cheers
 

green_machine_two9er

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Do you cook in the same pot? Or is it okay to cook in one storage container and then put in actual pot when ready to use, or better to let it cook in the actual pot so no need to disturb once ready to use? Cheers
Final pot if possible is always a good bet. But if you’re going in anything smaller than 7 gallon container then I would cook in the tote and move to pots as needed.
 

Thai Fox

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Final pot if possible is always a good bet. But if you’re going in anything smaller than 7 gallon container then I would cook in the tote and move to pots as needed.
Cheers, is that so you don't need to disturb the mix when it's ready?
I will be growing in 7 gal fabric pots.
At the moment I've got the soil in 20gal containers cooking away, I will be removing it from containers and adding the final amendments tomorrow.
I just wasn't sure if I should put the soil back into the containers or put in the 7gal pots then put pot inside the 20gal containers so everything is still somewhat protected from other bugs. Not growing until start of June. Really appreciate the quick response on a 7yr old thread.
 

green_machine_two9er

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Cheers, is that so you don't need to disturb the mix when it's ready?
I will be growing in 7 gal fabric pots.
At the moment I've got the soil in 20gal containers cooking away, I will be removing it from containers and adding the final amendments tomorrow.
I just wasn't sure if I should put the soil back into the containers or put in the 7gal pots then put pot inside the 20gal containers so everything is still somewhat protected from other bugs. Not growing until start of June. Really appreciate the quick response on a 7yr old thread.
Yeah these old organic threads are gold.
Before I forget. I am going to try to convince you away from fabric pots. They are not that great for living soil.

and if it’s gunna be that’s long before use I would just keep everything in the tote. Put into final container a few weeks or days before transplant.

and yes the main reason for cooking in final pot would be the keep your herd undisturbed.
but soil bounces back quick and you wouldn’t really notice a difference.

also what do you mean add final amendments?
 

Thai Fox

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Yeah these old organic threads are gold.
Before I forget. I am going to try to convince you away from fabric pots. They are not that great for living soil.

and if it’s gunna be that’s long before use I would just keep everything in the tote. Put into final container a few weeks or days before transplant.

and yes the main reason for cooking in final pot would be the keep your herd undisturbed.
but soil bounces back quick and you wouldn’t really notice a difference.

also what do you mean add final amendments?
I have 4 of the fabric pots and 2 airpots I'd like to use, can always change that idea though if there's going to be issues with the soil in them?

Okay no problems I'll leave everything in the tote until I get back home.

Sorry by final amendments I just mean the last of the products have been sourced and now ready to mix into the mix. Cheers.
 

green_machine_two9er

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I have 4 of the fabric pots and 2 airpots I'd like to use, can always change that idea though if there's going to be issues with the soil in them?

Okay no problems I'll leave everything in the tote until I get back home.

Sorry by final amendments I just mean the last of the products have been sourced and now ready to mix into the mix. Cheers.
The main reason they don’t work well with coots mix style soils is the sides of containers dry out way too fast. You get dry spots, even sometimes with watering everyday. And the micro herd which is doing tons of work st those outside areas goes dormant and stalls a soil grow fast as time goes on.

cloth or fabric pots can work when you get to the 20-30 gallon or bigger size. And when people cry that the roots need to breath I always just imagine how the trees in the Forres my get along just fine.
 

GenericEnigma

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I have 4 of the fabric pots and 2 airpots I'd like to use, can always change that idea though if there's going to be issues with the soil in them?

Okay no problems I'll leave everything in the tote until I get back home.

Sorry by final amendments I just mean the last of the products have been sourced and now ready to mix into the mix. Cheers.
You can put plastic wrap around a fabric pot. Leave the bottom 1-2" open, though.
 

Thai Fox

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The main reason they don’t work well with coots mix style soils is the sides of containers dry out way too fast. You get dry spots, even sometimes with watering everyday. And the micro herd which is doing tons of work st those outside areas goes dormant and stalls a soil grow fast as time goes on.

cloth or fabric pots can work when you get to the 20-30 gallon or bigger size. And when people cry that the roots need to breath I always just imagine how the trees in the Forres my get along just fine.
Okay that's understandable, I appreciate the heads up, what sort of pot (7gal) would you recommend?
 

Thai Fox

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The main reason they don’t work well with coots mix style soils is the sides of containers dry out way too fast. You get dry spots, even sometimes with watering everyday. And the micro herd which is doing tons of work st those outside areas goes dormant and stalls a soil grow fast as time goes on.

cloth or fabric pots can work when you get to the 20-30 gallon or bigger size. And when people cry that the roots need to breath I always just imagine how the trees in the Forres my get along just fine.
After checking my options, I will now source 20gal fabric pots following your advice/information provided.
Referring back to my original question again, now that pot size has increased from 7gal to 20gal, would you now store the soil in pot or still keep in tote until ready to use? Cheers.
 
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Fallguy111

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Do you cook in the same pot? Or is it okay to cook in one storage container and then put in actual pot when ready to use, or better to let it cook in the actual pot so no need to disturb once ready to use? Cheers
A large trash bin with lid works great to always have a cooked supply on hand.
 

Thai Fox

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A large trash bin with lid works great to always have a cooked supply on hand.
Initially started in trash bin drums but accidentally cracked the sides when moving house a couple weeks ago. Relocated everything now and have it all brewing away in these containers awaiting my return. Can't wait.20230120_114159.jpg
 

Reap911

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I have had issues with just throwing my plants into newly mixed soils. I have found deficiencies arise in the first week or so, the plants stunt and then after me adding certain beneficial and the soil "cooks" the plants begin to recover. In comparison, when I put clones into pots that have had a cycle done with them, they explode with growth.

So it is literally the difference between thriving plants and stunted, deficient plants. If I could adjust my approach, I would do 2-3 weeks with a cover crop of some beneficial and then chop them to form a mulch. Then throw the plant in there. If you want to speed up this process I would look at including a conditional process in that 2-3 weeks with at least one compost tea and different types of probiotics & beneficial bacteria & mycelium inoculants to get the biology thriving.

I would do this alongside whatever compost you have just to create some diversity. Lastly, you want to add springtail (anthropods) and earth worms to just keep the soil food web thriving. All of these will make a difference to the length it is going to take your soil to get to the point where you plants are boosting with growth.
 

Thai Fox

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I have had issues with just throwing my plants into newly mixed soils. I have found deficiencies arise in the first week or so, the plants stunt and then after me adding certain beneficial and the soil "cooks" the plants begin to recover. In comparison, when I put clones into pots that have had a cycle done with them, they explode with growth.

So it is literally the difference between thriving plants and stunted, deficient plants. If I could adjust my approach, I would do 2-3 weeks with a cover crop of some beneficial and then chop them to form a mulch. Then throw the plant in there. If you want to speed up this process I would look at including a conditional process in that 2-3 weeks with at least one compost tea and different types of probiotics & beneficial bacteria & mycelium inoculants to get the biology thriving.

I would do this alongside whatever compost you have just to create some diversity. Lastly, you want to add springtail (anthropods) and earth worms to just keep the soil food web thriving. All of these will make a difference to the length it is going to take your soil to get to the point where you plants are boosting with growth.
Cheers, appreciate the thorough information. Hopefully won't have too many issues with the soil...it's been the only thing that has given no problems when growing outdoors, well, after killing many plants figuring it out that is. I was mainly just looking at how others go about watering frequency and amounts when inside in living soil, but probably a silly question. Certainly need to look into teas more, previously only ever used a splash of fish shit, molasses or blend jell from aloe leaf in the garden but I swear things were actually better just using the hose with only straight water as even the slightest bit of those ingredients would burn the tips.

I've put a lot of work into this batch so with any luck it'll be perfect in 3½ months time. We'll see I guess.
We have a good idea on the soil from trial and error over the last few years growing around the house. Initially we started with hard red clay around our house which takes a long time for things to grow, which prompted us to learn about farming from the locals and online etc.
We have been growing our own veggies and many other fruits and flowers successfully by making our own compost, fertiliser and using our chickens egg shells & poo, the elephants poo, buffalo poo, worm poo and a few other ingredients and what not but this new batch has everything plus the kitchen sink added pretty much, which I'm hopeful turns out a good thing.
Prior to living off the grid for a few years I hadn't grown a whole lot of anything but this is a rough list of what we managed to grow after failing many times before haha
Asparagus, Tomato, Different types of Chili, Different types of Basil, Capsicum, Cabbage, Rosemary, Lemon grass, Mint, Pumpkin, Carrot, Lettuce, Apple tree, Lime tree, Orange tree, Avocado trees, Mulberry trees, Mango tree, Pomello, Jack fruit tree, Mangosteen tree, Passionfruit vines, Banana trees, Papaya tree And about 20 other different varieties of trees, ferns and flowers around the place. My guess is I left about 300 trees behind where there previously was none.

Anyway, here's a rough outline of the process that soil has gone through up to this point;
First I started with all the soil from my previous grow, I added that to our own compost mix with our worm castings and then spread it out in the chickens house. The chooks had at it for a week. Then it got put in drums and had a couple sprays with neem etc. Everything then layed out on tarp in sun for a few days. Then mixed in store bought amendments, worm castings, bat poo, bone meal, mycorrhizae, neem cake and seed meal, tricoderma, seaweed extract, crab and oyster shell, rock dust, magnesium, spagmoss, rice husk and put into tote. Given light spray with fish shit and Molasses then mulched with rice husk. May have forgotten something but that's about it. Time will tell how it comes together I guess. It's providing it's own water from the condensation on the lids but I've also added a wick line which appears to be working great. With any luck everything will still be happy once we return. How many springtails? I know there were plenty in our own compost but definitely depleted after going through chickens house etc. So sounds like I may need to throw some in before taking off.
 
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