Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Punk, I still don't see what the issue is for the commercial growers... If its decriminalized or legalized, then can't the commercial grower get whatever permit will be required and continue the course, now selling it to legal customers as opposed to illegal ones?!! Am I missing something?
Yes. You're missing the fact that they will face more competition possibility forcing them to take less profit. It's the "I gots mine" mentality. They are already getting paid, why would they want to change anything?


Lets face it, we can all grow our own produce, but most of us still go to the grocer for that, so even if no permits required, there will still be money in it. And if its not as much, so what, now you can grow outside without limits to make up for it...again, I'm missing something, aren't I?
If you were gouging customers by making a ~500% profit on the produce you were growing you might not want to make growing vegetables legal to grow either. You'd probably be happy with the way things are.
 

RavenMochi

Well-Known Member
Yes. You're missing the fact that they will face more competition possibility forcing them to take less profit. It's the "I gots mine" mentality. They are already getting paid, why would they want to change anything?




If you were gouging customers by making a ~500% profit on the produce you were growing you might not want to make growing vegetables legal to grow either. You'd probably be happy with the way things are.
They are making that much profit!! We started growing our own vegetables, and while initially getting the yard tore up and good soil in cost a bit, up keeping it won't be nearly as bad because by next year my HUGE compost pile will be ready, and the seeds for vegies are cheap as dirt....no, take that back, much much much cheaper than dirt...

I see what your saying about the greed though, I'm amazed at how many times I've seen people fuck themselves out of making alot more money because they let their greed fuck them...
 

Rhyspect

Active Member
HOLD ON... you don't want to legalise it, because it might cause a global recession ... WE'RE IN A GLOBAL RECESSION!!!!!!! what harm could the government cause by regulating it and taking the money from crack and heroin dealers and putting it in the pockets of the average citizen that likes to smoke a bit on the week end??? the only people who wouldn't want it legalised are the people who are dealing it along with harder drugs that won't be legalised... and even if you were a clean and clear all weed dealer you could grow and sell weed for shops and market places, and it wouldn't even stop the tax dodgers as it'd be easy to smuggle weed and keep most of your old custom as you would save at least 50% on tax... legalising just makes it easy for the average person to try it and like it. and let's be fair, if everyone tries it, no one will look down upon it.
 

RavenMochi

Well-Known Member
HOLD ON... you don't want to legalise it, because it might cause a global recession ... WE'RE IN A GLOBAL RECESSION!!!!!!! what harm could the government cause by regulating it and taking the money from crack and heroin dealers and putting it in the pockets of the average citizen that likes to smoke a bit on the week end??? the only people who wouldn't want it legalised are the people who are dealing it along with harder drugs that won't be legalised... and even if you were a clean and clear all weed dealer you could grow and sell weed for shops and market places, and it wouldn't even stop the tax dodgers as it'd be easy to smuggle weed and keep most of your old custom as you would save at least 50% on tax... legalising just makes it easy for the average person to try it and like it. and let's be fair, if everyone tries it, no one will look down upon it.
Thats true... The negative stigma placed on pothead pisses me off. My parents tried to tell me when I was kid that pot killed your motivation, and he never new any that did anything with themselves. Probably because he didn't know to many, up to date one of the most successful corporate execs that I've known personally was a pothead, and I didn't know it till my friend divorced him (she was an idiot, the guy was the shit...6 figure income, down to earth, got her whatever she wanted, did all the romantic shit, the whole 9 yards) We went to move her stuff out, and I had to use the bathroom, I'll be damned if there wasn't a bong with weed shake all around it..wish I had known before, he would have been cool to get high with, just one of those fun people to be around...
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
funny how anyone voting no is IMMEDIATELY insulted. called a greedy drug dealer.

if you have to insult someone to try to get them to agree with you then you are LOSING.



bongsmilie


those who vote yes are those who encourage drug use among children. prop 19 will virtually open the door for teenage heroin use. it's hard to believe that the selfishness of a bunch of brunt out hippies would be the demise of todays youth.


see how easy that is? :roll:
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
funny how anyone voting no is IMMEDIATELY insulted. called a greedy drug dealer.

if you have to insult someone to try to get them to agree with you then you are LOSING.
And what do you do for a living? ;) Yeah, exactly.

I have no problem with anyone growing/selling weed for a living regardless of if they are doing it medically, legally, or illegally. It shouldn't be illegal in the first place so there is nothing wrong with growing/selling it. But a lot of people do want to keep prohibition just because they are making money off it being illegal/semi-legal. You can't deny that...
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
And what do you do for a living? ;) Yeah, exactly.

I have no problem with anyone growing/selling weed for a living regardless of if they are doing it medically, legally, or illegally. It shouldn't be illegal in the first place so there is nothing wrong with growing/selling it. But a lot of people do want to keep prohibition just because they are making money off it being illegal/semi-legal. You can't deny that...
i blow a lot of glass to help pay my bills. what does that have to do with anything?

i do NOT fear any drop in the market so to say i am voting no because of what i do makes no sense to me. :neutral:
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
funny how anyone voting no is IMMEDIATELY insulted. called a greedy drug dealer.

if you have to insult someone to try to get them to agree with you then you are LOSING.



bongsmilie


those who vote yes are those who encourage drug use among children. prop 19 will virtually open the door for teenage heroin use. it's hard to believe that the selfishness of a bunch of brunt out hippies would be the demise of todays youth.


see how easy that is? :roll:
and i don't sell pot.. i donate to my club..
 

RavenMochi

Well-Known Member
funny how anyone voting no is IMMEDIATELY insulted. called a greedy drug dealer.

if you have to insult someone to try to get them to agree with you then you are LOSING.
:clap:

As far as todays kids being lazy and stupid, I disagree...don't get me wrong, its a generation of little bad asses, I don't know where your at, but some of the kids over here have already started to get their hustle on...lazy my ass, these kids aren't playin at all...
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
:clap:

As far as todays kids being lazy and stupid, I disagree...don't get me wrong, its a generation of little bad asses, I don't know where your at, but some of the kids over here have already started to get their hustle on...lazy my ass, these kids aren't playin at all...

psssst, it was "sarcasm".


bongsmilie
 

RavenMochi

Well-Known Member
†LOL† I'm being serious!! These little bastards here ain't playin... think I'm lying? go to the east side of probably any major city in the U.S., check em out and get back to me... :blsmoke: I shit you not you'll find some kids not but in grade school already gettin their hustle on and proud of it...don't take them as a joke just because their children...
 

BusterBawls

Active Member
I think you have a point, although I think your percentages are off a bit. I also think there are so many strains, and people that like different strains, that no company can ever satisfy the population. Their weed will never be as good as the weed people on here grow, and there would still be a marked for the good stuff. I support decriminalization, especially on the federal level. No one should ever lose years of their life for a victimless crime. Hopefully someday people will see past the propaganda and see marijuana for what it really is. A harmless herb enjoyed by anyone and everyone. It bridges all people and cultures from the middle aged white suburbanite, to the aboriginal bushmen... And EVERYONE in-between.
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
Calif. Chamber: Pot law would allow smoking at work




Supporters and opponents of a ballot measure to legalize marijuana in California are dueling over the law's possible effects on employers and the workplace.


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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Supporters and opponents of a ballot measure to legalize marijuana in California are dueling over the law's possible effects on employers and the workplace.

The California Chamber of Commerce claimed in a legal analysis released Thursday that Proposition 19 would lead to more workplace accidents by forcing employers to let workers smoke pot on the job.

The analysis also contends the law would make California companies ineligible for federal contracts because employers could not guarantee a drug-free workplace.

The proposition's supporters dispute the chamber's findings. They point to the state Legislative Analyst's Office's determination that employers would "retain existing rights to address consumption of marijuana that impairs an employee's job performance."

Mainly at issue is a section of the proposition that says no one can "be denied any right or privilege" because they engaged in legal conduct permitted by the act, such as smoking pot.

The section continues: "The existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected."

The chamber claims the proposition would create a new, ill-defined standard of "actual impairment" that would prevent employers from disciplining workers simply for consuming marijuana. Instead, according to the chamber's analysis, employers would have to prove that pot impaired an employee's job performance.

"For example, if a forklift driver showed up reeking of marijuana smoke, an employer could not take disciplinary action until it could be proven that the employee's job performance was 'actually impaired' by the marijuana use (for example, after an accident occurred)," the chamber wrote.

The Proposition 19 campaign said in a statement Thursday that employers under the law would still be able to prohibit and punish employees for marijuana consumption that impairs job performance just as they would for alcohol.

Employers would still be able to ban possession or consumption of pot at work and keep rules in place that involve driving or operating dangerous machinery, the campaign said. Employers could still certify that they maintained a "drug-free" workplace by prohibiting marijuana possession or use on the job.

"Presumably the Chamber does not prohibit its employees from drinking alcohol at home as long as it doesn't affect job performance?" the campaign said.

Proposition 19 would make it legal for adults 21 and older to possess up to an ounce of pot for personal use. Individuals could grow up to 25-square-foot marijuana gardens on private property. Cities and counties would decide whether to allow sales and taxation of marijuana within their boundaries.

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420Miller

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Decriminalization would still put lots of people in jail. All it means is that if you get caught with it you're not going to jail. If you grow it/sell it you are. Why can't we grow our plants in peace, save millions more on a war that has clearly failed, and has destroyed millions of innocent lives. It's a civil war, that can't go on.
 

ford442

Well-Known Member
^^
- i would rather have a forklift driver stoned off his ass than a driver shivering and shaking wanting to puke or other conditions requiring marijuana.. the article never mentions the flip side - if they need to smoke at work it is probably because they are already impaired by the ailment.. tons of people go to work stoned on Oxycontin like drugs, but we are not making laws to protect them from themselves.. should i have to leave my anti psychotic meds at home when i go to work?
 
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